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Donger 08-02-2021 11:49 AM

Looks like about six (?) Raptors on BN3?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7y2fylX...jpg&name=large

unlurking 08-02-2021 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15767472)
Looks like about six (?) Raptors on BN3?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7y2fylX...jpg&name=large

29 and BN4, and cool, they painted the gridfins!

unlurking 08-02-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15767448)
While Starship is obviously the most exciting thing going on right now, ULA/Boeing are finally going to try again for their ISS-bound test tomorrow. Fingers crossed nothing else goes wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��LAUNCH COUNTDOWN // <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AtlasV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AtlasV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Starliner?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Starliner</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OFT2?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OFT2</a><br>��️: 8.3.21➡️ broadcast 12:30 pm ET; launch 1:20 pm ET <br>ℹ️: <a href="https://t.co/VIynIdVS23">https://t.co/VIynIdVS23</a><br>��: <a href="https://t.co/TkZHqbXk9E">https://t.co/TkZHqbXk9E</a> <a href="https://t.co/8ilyAKHRU6">pic.twitter.com/8ilyAKHRU6</a></p>&mdash; ULA (@ulalaunch) <a href="https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1421474374725644298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Personally I hope SH and SS are stacked on the OLT before the Starliner launch. Nice backdrop to put ULA/BOEING/SLA into perspective while they're getting press coverage. At the same time, I hope the Starliner mission is a huge success.

Donger 08-02-2021 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 15767480)
29, and cool, they painted the gridfins!

Oh wow:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7zARpUW...jpg&name=small

unlurking 08-02-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15767489)

I am so excited just to see a test fire, let alone an actual launch!!!

Donger 08-02-2021 11:56 AM

I take it that not all of the Raptors are going to gimbal?

DaFace 08-02-2021 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15767496)
I take it that not all of the Raptors are going to gimbal?

Correct. I believe the outer ring are all fixed, and the inner engines are the one doing the gimbaling.

Donger 08-02-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 15767508)
Correct. I believe the outer ring are all fixed, and the inner engines are the one doing the gimbaling.

Yep, just found this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Final decision made earlier this week on booster engine count. Will be 33 at ~230 (half million lbs) sea-level thrust. All engines on booster are same, apart from deleting gimbal &amp; thrust vector actuators for outer 20.</p>&mdash; Elon Musk (@elonmusk) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1414284648641925124?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

unlurking 08-02-2021 12:01 PM

They recently celebrated the 100th roll-off of a completed Raptor engine, and also eliminated the gimbal / non-gimbal variants. They'll be churning these things out insanely fast I imagine. Well, insanely fast for a rocket engine.

Hey Jeff, wen BE-4? :P


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<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">100th build of a Raptor engine complete <a href="https://t.co/ymoJmV820Z">pic.twitter.com/ymoJmV820Z</a></p>&mdash; SpaceX (@SpaceX) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1419738163988205575?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

MagicHef 08-02-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 15767496)
I take it that not all of the Raptors are going to gimbal?

Last I heard (Musk tweet), the inner 13 gimbal and the outer 20 do not.

RINGLEADER 08-02-2021 12:54 PM

So a question for those who know more about this:

Mars has almost no atmosphere and an explosive decompression is always a moment away? How do you colonize that kind of environment? One defect or stress can result in everyone dying pretty quickly, no?

Donger 08-02-2021 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 15767686)
So a question for those who know more about this:

Mars has almost no atmosphere and an explosive decompression is always a moment away? How do you colonize that kind of environment? One defect or stress can result in everyone dying pretty quickly, no?

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vuCiiRDpbCk" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

unlurking 08-02-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 15767686)
So a question for those who know more about this:

Mars has almost no atmosphere and an explosive decompression is always a moment away? How do you colonize that kind of environment? One defect or stress can result in everyone dying pretty quickly, no?

<iframe src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZU5lHcta-C0" title="YouTube video player" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen="" width="560" height="315" frameborder="0"></iframe>

In all seriousness, I think they've had a LOT of experience with ISS and "explosive" decompression is mostly a movie thing. IIRC, the ISS is currently losing 1lb a day of atmosphere through leaks. A recent Soyouz was found to have a hole rooted in a manufacturing mistake. The spacecraft survived launch and docking with the hole. Leaking atmosphere is just life in space.


EDIT: References...
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018...airs-continue/

Couldn't find the 1lb per day loss I mentioned, but assuming my Duck-Fu is just not strong today, but there has been a known leak for a year...
"The air leak in the Zvezda module, which provides living quarters for crew members and life support systems, was detected last year. It poses no danger to the crew but persists despite attempts to fix it by sealing cracks."
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...le-2021-07-31/

Donger 08-02-2021 01:05 PM

But yes, people would have to live in pressurized environments. The pressure on Mars is something like .09 PSI and on Earth it's 14.7 PSI. Quite a delta P although I'd imagine that we wouldn't pressurize at 14.7 on Mars.

And, after a while, there would be a large volume of air in that environment, so there'd be some time before the Martians would be sucking Mars' atmosphere.

unlurking 08-02-2021 01:46 PM

TPS install is also moving quickly, although it looks like they've been having issues with the curves on the nosecone section...

https://i.postimg.cc/SNXHVkmc/Screen...2-13-43-10.png
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...le-2021-07-31/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg


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