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SPATCH 05-06-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10604953)
I have been to a Sporting game.

I just can't get really into soccer... especially something that I know is the equivalent of A baseball on the world stage (or basically a half-step up from the T-Bones).

Championships are cool and all, but when you're talking about the 8th or 9th best league in the world... I just can't get super excited about.

Double-A (transitioning to Triple-A) is probably a better comparison competition-wise.

The league is littered with guys who could easily play for teams in the mid- to lower levels of the premier league.

alnorth 05-06-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10604975)
I'm not going to root for a football or baseball team that isn't local. So that leaves Royals and Chiefs (I liked the Cardinals/loved the Royals until spending 8 years living around Cardinals fan at Mizzou/in St. Louis. Still like and respect the team, but hate their t-shirt, front-runner fans. Note: This does not include all fans or passionate fans, with whom I enjoy talking baseball.)

Maybe you could try mixing in some of the individual combat sports as well, like MMA or boxing? I've got KU during the Winter, so I can't imagine how it feels to be Kansas/Chiefs/Mizzou, but I agree with your stance against front-running.

One thing thats been a welcome respite from the endless pain of Royals baseball in the summer for me is seeing the occasional interesting UFC card, especially when one or more of my favorite fighters are on it.

duncan_idaho 05-06-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 10605004)
Double-A (transitioning to Triple-A) is probably a better comparison competition-wise.

The league is littered with guys who could easily play for teams in the mid- to lower levels of the premier league.

I'm not a huge soccer buff, but what I've been told by friends is that it's about the 8th or 9th best league in the world.

For Baseball:

1.MLB
2.AAA
3. NPL (Japan)
4. AA/KBO (Korea - maybe slots better at High-A)
6. A+
7. College baseball
8. A ball
9. Independent A ball (Frontier, etc)
10. Rookie ball

duncan_idaho 05-06-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10605011)
Maybe you could try mixing in some of the individual combat sports as well, like MMA or boxing? I've got KU during the Winter, so I can't imagine how it feels to be Kansas/Chiefs/Mizzou, but I agree with your stance against front-running.

One thing thats been a welcome respite from the endless pain of Royals baseball in the summer for me is seeing the occasional interesting UFC card, especially when one or more of my favorite fighters are on it.

I'd rather not watch sports than watch UFC.

I love baseball/football/basketball... but other than that... well, I have other interests and things on which to spend my time.

WhawhaWhat 05-06-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10604994)
That whining stuff from "Unnamed Royals official" is just infuriating.

::cough:: Dan Glass ::cough::

AndChiefs 05-06-2014 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10604975)
Because I'm not a bandwagon fan who just roots for teams because they're good?

Did you at least go to school there? Or are you another t-shirt fan?

I'm not going to root for a football or baseball team that isn't local. So that leaves Royals and Chiefs (I liked the Cardinals/loved the Royals until spending 8 years living around Cardinals fan at Mizzou/in St. Louis. Still like and respect the team, but hate their t-shirt, front-runner fans. Note: This does not include all fans or passionate fans, with whom I enjoy talking baseball.)

And I'm certainly going to root for my alma mater in college sports. Guys that have "secondary" teams or that root for a team other than their alma mater are front runners. And I'd rather not watch sports than be that (that's what was ingrained in me by my family, my dad included. I'm a 4x legacy graduate of Mizzou).

I don't mind secondary teams as long as there is a sound reason. For example, I have a secondary team in college (Michigan State) who I would root for in a majority of situations because it's my dad's alma mater. I would never root for them against my own alma mater but it does give me some other rooting interests when they're not playing. I also doubt many would say rooting for MSU is a front runner position.

Similarly, I lived in the Northwest for about half my life so I became somewhat of a Seahawks fan (even when they sucked). I would still root for the Chiefs in any situation but at least I was able to somewhat enjoy the Super Bowl win (especially because it was against the Broncos). It's not the same as a Chiefs win would be but it was still pretty nice to be rooting for a winner for once.

mr. tegu 05-06-2014 11:19 AM

As I have gotten older the appeal of being completely invested in a specific college team has worn off. Being born and raised in Kansas sort of just leaves you as a KU fan, especially with the consistent winning of the basketball program. But it is hard to get really worked up about teenagers and kids in their early 20s the way I used to when I was younger.

I root for them and am happy for them when they win, but I don't find it necessary to watch every game, get too excited after a win, or get too low after a loss. College sports are much more appealing to me now for the competitive and athletic aspect in general, across all teams, as opposed to being solely invested in one team.

I would never feel that way about the Chiefs and Royals. I just can't quit them, not that I would want to though.

ChiTown 05-06-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10605031)
I don't mind secondary teams as long as there is a sound reason. For example, I have a secondary team in college (Michigan State) who I would root for in a majority of situations because it's my dad's alma mater. I would never root for them against my own alma mater but it does give me some other rooting interests when they're not playing. I also doubt many would say rooting for MSU is a front runner position.

Similarly, I lived in the Northwest for about half my life so I became somewhat of a Seahawks fan (even when they sucked). I would still root for the Chiefs in any situation but at least I was able to somewhat enjoy the Super Bowl win (especially because it was against the Broncos). It's not the same as a Chiefs win would be but it was still pretty nice to be rooting for a winner for once.

I have no secondary teams. I grew up in KC

College - Kansas State - my alma mater
MLB - Royals
NFL - Chiefs
NBA - Bulls - I lived there for years, and KC no longer has a franchise
NHL - Blackhawks - same as the above.

After that, all other teams can drink from an AIDS fountain.

AndChiefs 05-06-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10605037)
I have no secondary teams. I grew up in KC

College - Kansas State - my alma mater
MLB - Royals
NFL - Chiefs
NBA - Bulls - I lived there for years, and KC no longer has a franchise
NHL - Blackhawks - same as the above.

After that, all other teams can drink from an AIDS fountain.

It might be because half my formative years were in the Midwest while the other half were in the Northwest. And you couldn't watch the Chiefs/Royals in the NW back then.

AndChiefs 05-06-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10605037)
I have no secondary teams. I grew up in KC

College - Kansas State - my alma mater
MLB - Royals
NFL - Chiefs
NBA - Bulls - I lived there for years, and KC no longer has a franchise
NHL - Blackhawks - same as the above.

After that, all other teams can drink from an AIDS fountain.

College -Texas A&M - my alma mater (Michigan State - family school)
MLB - Royals (Mariners - although I follow them less than I do the Seahawks)
NFL - Chiefs (Seahawks)
NBA - Blazers, I guess. Don't really care about the NBA
NHL - don't care at all.

mr. tegu 05-06-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10604975)
Guys that have "secondary" teams or that root for a team other than their alma mater are front runners.

That isn't really the definition of a front runner as I see it. Some people probably have the Chiefs and Royals as secondary teams. I don't think anyone would accuse them of being front runners.

Deberg_1990 05-06-2014 11:43 AM

I'm just tired of Glass and Dayton remaining so silent. I mean, how can they find this crap acceptable? put some ultimatums on your team.

It would be different if this was only the 2nd or 3rd year of a rebuild. expectations were to make the playoffs, not just be happy your at the MLB level.
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duncan_idaho 05-06-2014 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10605083)
I'm just tired of Glass and Dayton remaining so silent. I mean, how can they find this crap acceptable? put some ultimatums on your team.
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When Moore ISN'T remaining silent, he's just doing something that moves the goalposts.

It's like he doesn't understand that there is a record of the things he said in years past on the internet.

ChiTown 05-06-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10605086)
When Moore ISN'T remaining silent, he's just doing something that moves the goalposts.

It's like he doesn't understand that there is a record of the things he said in years past on the internet.

Given his lack of understanding and the application of baseball metrics, are we sure he truly understands how the internets work;)

alnorth 05-06-2014 12:11 PM

The farm system was such a barren dumpster fire when DM was hired, that in my view it was basically impossible for the Royals to win in the first 3 years, no matter what.

So, I'm treating this as basically the 3rd year where its fair to judge the GM. That said, the first year we lost, the second year we traded Wil Myers for 2 years of Shields and won 86 games but failed to make the playoffs, and so far this year isn't very encouraging, so I'm not going to bother defending him unless we make the playoffs.

edit: we're in much better shape now, so if Glass were to hypothetically fire DM after this year or in 2015, I'd start judging the new GM's W/L results immediately.


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