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Hammock Parties 03-23-2024 12:10 PM

The Arizona State transfer caught the eyes of scouts during the 2022 season but really exploded on the scene in 2023. After his Senior Bowl and combine performances, Pearsall is now a lock as a second-round draft pick, according to NFL draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. “I think he's going solid second round,” Kiper said

ForeverChiefs58 03-23-2024 04:57 PM

Missouri State star wide receiver Terique Owens spoke with the following #NFL Teams

#49ers #Chiefs #Broncos #Jaguars #Patriots #Falcons

He is the son of HOF WR Terrell Owens

kccrow 03-23-2024 06:34 PM

I won't quote your post for the sake of space Nightfyre, but that's the type of analysis I really appreciate.

bigjosh 03-23-2024 06:42 PM

The amount of star wr sons coming into the nfl thisvyear is wild lol.


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kcbubb 03-23-2024 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17456142)
I won't quote your post for the sake of space Nightfyre, but that's the type of analysis I really appreciate.

That was ALOT of analysis and tape study.

Couch-Potato 03-24-2024 01:40 AM

I've been sleeping on Pearsall, have heard several references to that one handed grab though! Thanks for sharing! I like him better than McConkey, gives me Copper Cupp vibes.

Chris Meck 03-24-2024 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17456354)
I've been sleeping on Pearsall, have heard several references to that one handed grab though! Thanks for sharing! I like him better than McConkey, gives me Copper Cupp vibes.

That might be the most bad-ass catch I've ever seen. You know Mahomes has seen that.

Bowser 03-24-2024 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17456410)
That might be the most bad-ass catch I've ever seen. You know Mahomes has seen that.

That catch was ****ing ridiculous.

His catch in double coverage around the 2:20 mark was impressive, too. QBs around the league took note of that as much as the one hander.

Chris Meck 03-24-2024 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17456411)
That catch was ****ing ridiculous.

His catch in double coverage around the 2:20 mark was impressive, too. QBs around the league took note of that as much as the one hander.

I know you really don't want to put too much on one ****ing play, but goddamn.

Chris Meck 03-24-2024 08:14 AM

I think McConkey and Pearsall both are better versions of what they thought Skyy Moore was. I think Moore just couldn't make the jump from the MAC.

Are they still looking for that type? I don't know if they are, specifically.

Hollywood only buys you a year for the speedy downfield threat.

The big Mike Williams type has just never been an Andy Reid thing, but maybe they try it. I can't see them making a huge investment in that experiment though.

Ultimately, if I had to guess, I'd think it'll be a sub 4.4 guy with downfield capabilities that tracks the ball well. I think if they do it in the first, it's Worthy/Mitchell/Franklin.

I think if they wait until the second, all types come into play, and Walker/Pearsall/Legette types who fall could be the pick.

I think they're going to be patient, though, is my expectation.

I'm thinking it might be an OT in the first.

Bowser 03-24-2024 09:03 AM

Agreed. It feels like an incoming trade up, and I hope it's for our future LT. I just hope they don't have to sacrifice the 2nd rounder to do it, because as you've pointed out, there will be quality to choose from at receiver.

An impact left tackle and a receiver, that's all I want from this draft. The rest is all fluff at this point (maybe a decent pass catching back, as well).

VAChief 03-24-2024 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17456439)
Agreed. It feels like an incoming trade up, and I hope it's for our future LT. I just hope they don't have to sacrifice the 2nd rounder to do it, because as you've pointed out, there will be quality to choose from at receiver.

An impact left tackle and a receiver, that's all I want from this draft. The rest is all fluff at this point (maybe a decent pass catching back, as well).

Yes, in one of my mocks I was able to get Morgan at 32 and use the 2025 3rd and 64th pick to move up to get Franklin (who had fallen and likely not to happen in real life). That could also be Walker/Leggette or whoever else you prefer.

That would be a killer draft, a solid LT prospect at 32 and a WR prospect that hopefully can contribute at that 4th option after Rice/Kelce/Brown.

kcbubb 03-24-2024 12:16 PM

Agreed and that’s the way it should be with a LT in the 1st. I’m gonna laugh when we don’t take a WR until the 4th or 5th or maybe even double up late. I could see this being a fatty draft.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17456415)
I think McConkey and Pearsall both are better versions of what they thought Skyy Moore was. I think Moore just couldn't make the jump from the MAC.

Are they still looking for that type? I don't know if they are, specifically.

Hollywood only buys you a year for the speedy downfield threat.

The big Mike Williams type has just never been an Andy Reid thing, but maybe they try it. I can't see them making a huge investment in that experiment though.

Ultimately, if I had to guess, I'd think it'll be a sub 4.4 guy with downfield capabilities that tracks the ball well. I think if they do it in the first, it's Worthy/Mitchell/Franklin.

I think if they wait until the second, all types come into play, and Walker/Pearsall/Legette types who fall could be the pick.

I think they're going to be patient, though, is my expectation.

I'm thinking it might be an OT in the first.


Couch-Potato 03-24-2024 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17456413)
I know you really don't want to put too much on one ****ing play, but goddamn.

OBJ made a career out of one play.

Clowney made a career out of one college play.

Couch-Potato 03-24-2024 02:04 PM

That extra 3rd gives us a lot of flexibility to target "our guy" in the late 1st - end of the 2nd, but hard to get a consensus on who that guy would be lol

If I had to choose one guy I think we'd take, it might be Burton.

Nightfyre 03-24-2024 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17456611)
That extra 3rd gives us a lot of flexibility to target "our guy" in the late 1st - end of the 2nd, but hard to get a consensus on who that guy would be lol

If I had to choose one guy I think we'd take, it might be Burton.

Burton would be in line potentially with the Peters and Tyreek pick - 1st round talent with a 10 cent brain. I think I would not hate the pick in the early third - but also, in this class, why bother? He may even go later than projected by that logic. Just stream of consciousness typing here.

Couch-Potato 03-24-2024 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17456637)
Burton would be in line potentially with the Peters and Tyreek pick - 1st round talent with a 10 cent brain. I think I would not hate the pick in the early third - but also, in this class, why bother? He may even go later than projected by that logic. Just stream of consciousness typing here.

Who do you think we'd target?

Chris Meck 03-24-2024 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17456611)
That extra 3rd gives us a lot of flexibility to target "our guy" in the late 1st - end of the 2nd, but hard to get a consensus on who that guy would be lol

If I had to choose one guy I think we'd take, it might be Burton.

I don't think that extra 3rd moves the dial much. I bet they don't move up.

Nightfyre 03-24-2024 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17456643)
Who do you think we'd target?

Idk, I talked myself into liking the Skyy Moore pick. While I am not willing to completely write him off, I wonder if there isn't a lesson to be learned there about players without sufficient processing power to thoroughly learn and understand the offense; especially relative to defensive reads that Mahomes is making. I would want the Chiefs to deep dive Burton's football intelligence especially given the lack of wisdom he reportedly demonstrated on and off the field. I haven't watched much Burton though, tbh.

I do think there is a case to be made for going full ****ing bore on the offensive weapons in this class and worry about tackle next year - though I think an understanding of what next year's class looks like would really inform that decision. I am also reticent to invest significant resources in a slot-like guy, which this class has in abundance, simply because you have Rice already as a big slot and I felt like all his impact plays came from that role.

The Chiefs have a really good opportunity here to grab a true X, a true Z, and I love how Johnny Wilson projects as a TE in the passing game. If you can hit on some of these weapons and lock up 4 years of control, I see a real path for cost effective continuation of the dynasty.

Nightfyre 03-24-2024 03:32 PM

After all that I realized I didn't answer your question -
I have a ton of digging to do as I have really only done one pass on each player and this is kind of how I would initially categorize them I guess?

In no particular order:
As you know, I really like AD Mitchell as a Z in the late first.

Other Zs:
Bryan Thomas, Jr. late first.
Xavier Worthy I would get on board with for a move up in the second.
Troy Franklin, maybe in the end of the second. (I need to dig more on him at some point. I did have a look at his schedule and I had concerns that he maybe hasn't had much in the way of NFL level of competition. Maybe crow can speak to that and inform us a little on that.)
Devontez Walker - early third.

Xs:
Keon Coleman in the early second
Xavier Legette in the second.
Ja'lynn Polk in the third.
Javon Baker in the third.
Jaylen Coker in day 3, maybe not a true X until you see him against real competition, but a guy who I would say is my sleeper crush.

Johnny Wilson in the late second, early third as a TE.

Slot guys that will go too early for me - and there might be more:
McConkey
Pearsall
Wilson
Corley
McMillan

If you want to spend day 3 picks on a slot, I am fine with that:
Ainias Smith

Guys I just have a hard time seeing how they fit:
Thrash
Rice
McCaffrey
Rosemy-Jacksaint
Vele

Guys who I still need to watch if I ever really get motivated:
Cornelius Johnson
Isaiah Williams
Jha'Quan Jackson
Whittington
Zakhari Franklin
Bub Means
Hayden Hatten

Stryker 03-24-2024 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17456709)
After all that I realized I didn't answer your question -
I have a ton of digging to do as I have really only done one pass on each player and this is kind of how I would initially categorize them I guess?

In no particular order:
As you know, I really like AD Mitchell as a Z in the late first.

Other Zs:
Bryan Thomas, Jr. late first.
Xavier Worthy I would get on board with for a move up in the second.
Troy Franklin, maybe in the end of the second. (I need to dig more on him at some point. I did have a look at his schedule and I had concerns that he maybe hasn't had much in the way of NFL level of competition. Maybe crow can speak to that and inform us a little on that.)
Devontez Walker - early third.

Xs:
Keon Coleman in the early second
Xavier Legette in the second.
Ja'lynn Polk in the third.
Javon Baker in the third.
Jaylen Coker in day 3, maybe not a true X until you see him against real competition, but a guy who I would say is my sleeper crush.

Johnny Wilson in the late second, early third as a TE.

Slot guys that will go too early for me - and there might be more:
McConkey
Pearsall
Wilson
Corley
McMillan

If you want to spend day 3 picks on a slot, I am fine with that:
Ainias Smith

Guys I just have a hard time seeing how they fit:
Thrash
Rice
McCaffrey
Rosemy-Jacksaint
Vele

Guys who I still need to watch if I ever really get motivated:
Cornelius Johnson
Isaiah Williams
Jha'Quan Jackson
Whittington
Zakhari Franklin
Bub Means
Hayden Hatten

Very well done for a first stab! :clap:

Chris Meck 03-24-2024 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17456573)
OBJ made a career out of one play.

Clowney made a career out of one college play.

In my book, neither of those are great advertising.

RunKC 03-25-2024 04:17 PM

27 bench reps LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4.45-4.47 in the 40, 27 reps on the bench… <a href="https://t.co/JmoTLveNZD">https://t.co/JmoTLveNZD</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1772374349372068281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 03-25-2024 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17457750)
27 bench reps LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4.45-4.47 in the 40, 27 reps on the bench… <a href="https://t.co/JmoTLveNZD">https://t.co/JmoTLveNZD</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1772374349372068281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damn! :eek:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8gYFMT1w-RQ?si=sAq0qEJnR1wpeUme" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Is Veach going to take a risk on a receiver that dominated Conference USA after spending a 2nd on a guy that tore up the MAC, though?

Chargem 03-25-2024 04:27 PM

The more I read/watch on this WR draft class, the less I care who we get.. There are going to be players who are great assets to this offense available in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and maybe even the 4th this year.

TribalElder 03-25-2024 09:32 PM

Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42


6 foot 7 inches

**** thats a target, just throw up jump balls that direction

Dante84 03-25-2024 11:24 PM

We like YAC and Screens

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do with this whatever you want Chiefs fans..<br><br>But here are some WRs and their YAC/Screen profiles from college. <a href="https://t.co/F1smpLAG1k">pic.twitter.com/F1smpLAG1k</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1772280881798901994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Main take from this…. Probably a reason KC hasn’t prioritized or heavily invested in the upper-left/X WR prototype.</p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1772301862437277932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

staylor26 03-26-2024 05:51 AM

Sooo McConkey or Worthy? :hmmm:

Dunerdr 03-26-2024 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17457760)
Damn! :eek:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8gYFMT1w-RQ?si=sAq0qEJnR1wpeUme" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Is Veach going to take a risk on a receiver that dominated Conference USA after spending a 2nd on a guy that tore up the MAC, though?

Mel Kiper, FWIW, has been on this guy for a few months. He's said a few times that Corley or a guy like Javon Baker wouldn't surprise him if one of them are the best receivers from this draft 10 years from now.

Nightfyre 03-26-2024 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17458063)
We like YAC and Screens

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do with this whatever you want Chiefs fans..<br><br>But here are some WRs and their YAC/Screen profiles from college. <a href="https://t.co/F1smpLAG1k">pic.twitter.com/F1smpLAG1k</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1772280881798901994?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Main take from this…. Probably a reason KC hasn’t prioritized or heavily invested in the upper-left/X WR prototype.</p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1772301862437277932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think there is a correlation between our attempts to be cute with yac guys in the red zone and our lack of a true size guy.

Andy needs to get over whatever aversion he has to playing big in the red zone, because it's costing the team points.

Dante84 03-26-2024 11:04 AM

Literally every receiver we have on that chart is on the right half, and even the ones that there's been rumored interest from KC in. He even missed highlighting Devontae Smith and Jameson Williams.

So, if that should hold true, some guys to watch for that might be high on our radar:

- Malik Nabers, LSU (probably won't have a chance)
- Xavier Worthy, Texas
- Ladd McConkey, Georgia
- Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky
- Brenden Rice, USC
- Jamari Thrash, Louisville
- Jacob Cowing, Arizona
- Tahj Washington, USC

staylor26 03-26-2024 11:26 AM

I'm convinced we're taking Worthy or McConkey if we go WR in round 1 now.

kcbubb 03-26-2024 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chargem (Post 17457766)
The more I read/watch on this WR draft class, the less I care who we get.. There are going to be players who are great assets to this offense available in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and maybe even the 4th this year.

It’s interesting to compare this draft to previous drafts. If you look at treylon burks, he was supposed to be the aj brown replacement. Where would he rank in this class? I think Burk’s was drafted in the late teens? And I’d rather have Adonai Mitchell, Keon Coleman and Legette. This is deep wr draft. The top 15-20 WRs all have parts of their game that could be interesting. Basically, you can get 1st round talent at wr in the 2nd round this year. 2nd round talent in the third. I’m not sure where the talent falls off. But I even like Gould as a slot guy in the 4th or 5th.

Couch-Potato 03-27-2024 11:57 AM

I've been saying for awhile now that for some reason my gut tells me Corley is our WR target in round 2. He can come in and contribute day 1 and fills 2 needs for us. Plug and play.

staylor26 03-27-2024 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17459580)
I've been saying for awhile now that for some reason my gut tells me Corley is our WR target in round 2. He can come in and contribute day 1 and fills 2 needs for us. Plug and play.

I can see it, but I also feel that his skill set is a little too similar to Rice. Feels redundant, but with Hollywood signed, it's still possible.

kccrow 03-27-2024 04:29 PM

The problem with Corley is that like 60% of his receptions came from the slot and another 30% came from screens. Not ideal. You can find slots for days. We need a guy that knows how to win on the outside.

BossChief 03-27-2024 07:13 PM

I’d be all for an all in year. Use a first from next year if you need to, but get Mahomes a star LT and WR. Move up from 32 and move as far up as we can from 64. Then move up again from 95.

We have ammo and will be getting comp picks next year. This draft fits perfectly with our needs at vastly important positions. If we used 2 of our early picks next year to move up, I think it would be pretty damn smart.

staylor26 03-27-2024 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17460050)
I’d be all for an all in year. Use a first from next year if you need to, but get Mahomes a star LT and WR. Move up from 32 and move as far up as we can from 64. Then move up again from 95.

We have ammo and will be getting comp picks next year. This draft fits perfectly with our needs at vastly important positions. If we used 2 of our early picks next year to move up, I think it would be pretty damn smart.

I don't agree about using a 1st for next year, but I'd be down to do a couple trade ups with 2 of our day 2 picks for next year if it means locking up WR and LT long term.

kozzman555 03-27-2024 08:35 PM

If you want to check out an intriguing late round prospect, check out Bub Means. I would easily spend a 7th round pick on him to be a WR 5 or 6. He's a natural hand catcher, has good size and speed.

Couch-Potato 03-27-2024 11:32 PM

Which current WRs around the league could we trade for now that we have cap space?

Saw someone suggest a surprise trade for between the Chiefs and Seahawks for Dk Metcalf.

That'd certainly be something.

BossChief 03-28-2024 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17460082)
I don't agree about using a 1st for next year, but I'd be down to do a couple trade ups with 2 of our day 2 picks for next year if it means locking up WR and LT long term.

We will need to overpay to move up.

It’s basically KC -vs- Rest of NFL at this point.

If we gotta use next years 1st to move up for Mims or another LT with elite tools, it will be worth every bit.

Then move up from 64 and take Pearsall, Ladd, Polk, Corley or Franklin.

Value shop the rest of the way with the house money you’re playing with.

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 17460229)
We will need to overpay to move up.

It’s basically KC -vs- Rest of NFL at this point.

If we gotta use next years 1st to move up for Mims or another LT with elite tools, it will be worth every bit.

Then move up from 64 and take Pearsall, Ladd, Polk, Corley or Franklin.

Value shop the rest of the way with the house money you’re playing with.

All the so called "elite tackles" after Alt and Fashanu are RT's so there's no point moving up for a guy who may not even adapt well to play LT. Veach has shown he ain't giving up first round picks for young projects.

Nightfyre 03-28-2024 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460232)
All the so called "elite tackles" after Alt and Fashanu are RT's so there's no point moving up for a guy who may not even adapt well to play LT. Veach has shown he ain't giving up first round picks for young projects.

I mean, FAU is a project. Karlaftis was a bit of a project.

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17460233)
I mean, FAU is a project. Karlaftis was a bit of a project.

They were picked with one first rounder. Not traded up for with a future first. Also George was a highly rated DE who happened to fall. Not really a project

CupidStunt 03-28-2024 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17460220)
Which current WRs around the league could we trade for now that we have cap space?

Saw someone suggest a surprise trade for between the Chiefs and Seahawks for Dk Metcalf.

That'd certainly be something.

Man, just say no to trading and paying. Trading AWAY players to gain assets and cap space is better. And then use that cap space to retain the real core pieces - McDuffie, the best linemen etc.

I'd love Thomas but I think he's going way higher than the sheep mocks typically project. Like Indy or around there as the floor. That's a little rich for a trade up.

Jerm 03-28-2024 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460232)
All the so called "elite tackles" after Alt and Fashanu are RT's so there's no point moving up for a guy who may not even adapt well to play LT. Veach has shown he ain't giving up first round picks for young projects.

I keep saying stuff like this so I appreciate it...the hard on this fanbase has for taking a Tackle in the 1st round this year is baffling to me.

Yeah let's give up on Morris after 3 games but yet go and draft someone who be every bit as raw as he is and expect them to come in start....just genius. Talk about wasting a draft pick.

The WR talent you'll have available to you presumably is way too good to pass up to be taking a project tackle.

O.city 03-28-2024 08:41 AM

The T prospects are just as good as the WR's we're gonna be picking at that spot.

The guy you woudl theoretically take is better than Morris.

O.city 03-28-2024 08:44 AM

Morris was basically a 4th round guy.

The one you'd take at 32, ideally, is alot better prospect than that.

RunKC 03-28-2024 08:45 AM

People are worried Wanya Morris isn’t a long term quality starter and likely for good reason. He looked like the worst OT play this team has had since Jordan Black in the Raiders game. It was an abysmal performance.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Malcolm Koonce generated career highs in pressures (8) and sacks (3) in the Raiders’ 20-14 win over the Chiefs.<br><br>Koonce generated 7 of his 8 pressures and all 3 sacks across 31 one-on-one matchups against Chiefs rookie left tackle Wanya Morris.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVvsKC</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1739395197388370170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17460363)
People are worried Wanya Morris isn’t a long term quality starter and likely for good reason. He looked like the worst OT play this team has had since Jordan Black in the Raiders game. It was an abysmal performance.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Malcolm Koonce generated career highs in pressures (8) and sacks (3) in the Raiders’ 20-14 win over the Chiefs.<br><br>Koonce generated 7 of his 8 pressures and all 3 sacks across 31 one-on-one matchups against Chiefs rookie left tackle Wanya Morris.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LVvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LVvsKC</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RaiderNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RaiderNation</a></p>&mdash; Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/NextGenStats/status/1739395197388370170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 25, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Are people really gonna judge Morris's whole career off the back of one game? He was bad against the Raiders like 99% of the players were including Mahomes. But Wanya did show in other games that he can be OK given a chance.

Jerm 03-28-2024 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17460358)
The T prospects are just as good as the WR's we're gonna be picking at that spot.

The guy you woudl theoretically take is better than Morris.

I'm theoretically a millionaire in my head yet here I am...

...and no the tackle prospects you might be taking at 32 or even if you trade up a bit are not as good as the WR prospects you might be able to take.\

You're really gonna sit here and tell me that next year and even beyond someone like Mims or Guyton will have more of an impact on this team than AD Mitchell, Worthy, or if you somehow lucked into Brian Thomas Jr.?

Come on...

O.city 03-28-2024 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17460406)
I'm theoretically a millionaire in my head yet here I am...

...and no the tackle prospects you might be taking at 32 or even if you trade up a bit are not as good as the WR prospects you might be able to take.\

You're really gonna sit here and tell me that next year and even beyond someone like Mims or Guyton will have more of an impact on this team than AD Mitchell, Worthy, or if you somehow lucked into Brian Thomas Jr.?

Come on...

If they're a good LT? Yeah.

Especially when there's gonna be WR's into the 2nd/3rd round that will end up being as good as the guys you're talking about here.

WR's generally come from all over the draft. LT's usually don't.

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17460427)
If they're a good LT? Yeah.

Especially when there's gonna be WR's into the 2nd/3rd round that will end up being as good as the guys you're talking about here.

WR's generally come from all over the draft. LT's usually don't.

The issue is most of them have been RT's their whole career so it's a massive gamble thinking they can just switch over and be equally as good. I'd much rather get a very good WR early and take a less rated LT in the second or third round who has upside and already plays the position. Patrick Paul and Kiran Amegadjie are just two names that come to mind. Both have all the needed physical traits and played left-tackle in school. So there would be no questions to be answered.

Chris Meck 03-28-2024 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460495)
The issue is most of them have been RT's their whole career so it's a massive gamble thinking they can just switch over and be equally as good. I'd much rather get a very good WR early and take a less rated LT in the second or third round who has upside and already plays the position. Patrick Paul and Kiran Amegadjie are just two names that come to mind. Both have all the needed physical traits and played left-tackle in school. So there would be no questions to be answered.

Picking where we do every year, they're going to have to take chances like that. It's just the way it is.

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17460519)
Picking where we do every year, they're going to have to take chances like that. It's just the way it is.

There's always guys who are undervalued and slip through the net. Kiran and Paul would normally go way higher in another draft class imo but they are gonna slip down and hopefully Veach takes advantage of it.

kccrow 03-28-2024 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17460427)
If they're a good LT? Yeah.

Especially when there's gonna be WR's into the 2nd/3rd round that will end up being as good as the guys you're talking about here.

WR's generally come from all over the draft. LT's usually don't.

This is where I'm at. If a LT falls you like then you have to take that shot first. The positional value is far higher at LT than at WR.

My ideal first two rounds are Jordan Morgan at LT and Roman Wilson at WR but I'm basing that purely on the hope that each is there.

I think Morgan has a better shot to be there at 32 than Wilson does at 64 though.

UChieffyBugger 03-28-2024 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17460554)
This is where I'm at. If a LT falls you like then you have to take that shot first. The positional value is far higher at LT than at WR.

My ideal first two rounds are Jordan Morgan at LT and Roman Wilson at WR but I'm basing that purely on the hope that each is there.

I think Morgan has a better shot to be there at 32 than Wilson does at 64 though.

Morgan's arms length is a major problem imo.

Chris Meck 03-28-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17460554)
This is where I'm at. If a LT falls you like then you have to take that shot first. The positional value is far higher at LT than at WR.

My ideal first two rounds are Jordan Morgan at LT and Roman Wilson at WR but I'm basing that purely on the hope that each is there.

I think Morgan has a better shot to be there at 32 than Wilson does at 64 though.

I'd be happy with that. You think Wilson may be gone? I really have no idea, I suppose it's just going to depend on how specific teams rate these WRs for their systems, I guess.

RunKC 03-28-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460547)
There's always guys who are undervalued and slip through the net. Kiran and Paul would normally go way higher in another draft class imo but they are gonna slip down and hopefully Veach takes advantage of it.

History has shown time and time again that you need to use a 1st rd pick on a LT. Feel free to look at the draft history for LT’s taken outside the 1st. Bakhtiari is a lone outlier and Orlando Brown Jr sucks.

kccrow 03-28-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460587)
Morgan's arms length is a major problem imo.

Plenty of guys have done fine with that length.

Same length as Bernhard Raimann and he's developed into a top-10 LT in the league and is just getting better. Rashawn Slater is 33" and he's pretty good. Donald Penn was 33" and so was Jason Peters.

If you have short arms you have to have athleticism and technique and Morgan has those things.

I don't love that he's under 34" but I look at him versus some other prospects being talked about in our range and he's just a significantly better player.

Jerm 03-28-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17460587)
Morgan's arms length is a major problem imo.

He projects to be a LG in the NFL….yeah no thanks.

RunKC 03-28-2024 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17460613)
He projects to be a LG in the NFL….yeah no thanks.

Huh? This is from his profile:

Morgan has the traits and talent to become a solid starting left tackle.

He’s played LT at Arizona his entire 4 years there.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordan...4-4c5252cbb096

kccrow 03-28-2024 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17460597)
I'd be happy with that. You think Wilson may be gone? I really have no idea, I suppose it's just going to depend on how specific teams rate these WRs for their systems, I guess.

Yeah, I think he is gone by 50. I'm not so sure I'd be opposed to KC spending their 3rd or the Titans 3rd next year to move up for him. Either one should get us around that range.

Jerm 03-28-2024 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17460626)
Huh? This is from his profile:

Morgan has the traits and talent to become a solid starting left tackle.

He’s played LT at Arizona his entire 4 years there.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jordan...4-4c5252cbb096

From Matt Miller's mock...

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31. San Francisco 49ers
Jordan Morgan, G/OT, Arizona

The 49ers were active in free agency, but they didn't do much regarding the offensive line, which struggled throughout the postseason. To me, that signals that the front office sees the draft class as a good opportunity to build there. Morgan played left tackle at Arizona, but he is seen by scouts as a potential guard at the next level. He has 37 games of experience and is a great mover in space. Morgan is a plug-and-play fit in the 49ers' scheme.

kccrow 03-28-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17460640)
From Matt Miller's mock...

Some do automatically peg him as an OG because of his arm length. They do the same thing with any prospects that fall short of 34" arms and especially so under 33.5.

They did the same thing with Slater. One of his weaknesses literally read "some teams will see him as an inside-only player."

Sometimes it's warranted if the athleticism and technique are questionable, but that's when you actually have to watch a guy play football and determine if he's better than the analytics.

Jerm 03-28-2024 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17460653)
Some do automatically peg him as an OG because of his arm length. They do the same thing with any prospects that fall short of 34" arms and especially so under 33.5.

They did the same thing with Slater. One of his weaknesses literally read "some teams will see him as an inside-only player."

Sometimes it's warranted if the athleticism and technique are questionable, but that's when you actually have to watch a guy play football and determine if he's better than the analytics.

Yeah I know a lot of these arguments boil down to "which expert do you believe"...it's what makes draft season fun though lol...

dlphg9 03-28-2024 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17460609)
History has shown time and time again that you need to use a 1st rd pick on a LT. Feel free to look at the draft history for LT’s taken outside the 1st. Bakhtiari is a lone outlier and Orlando Brown Jr sucks.

I looked at Brandon Thorn's top 15 LTs going into the 2023 season and it's pretty astonishing how many of these players were 1st rounders and top 15 picks.

9/15 or 60% were top 15 picks
10/15 or 67% were 1st rounders
12/15 or 80% were drafted in the 3rd round or earlier

O.city 03-28-2024 01:35 PM

Pass rushers and LT's. The league has pretty much figured out what and who those guys are gonna be and draft them accordingly.

kccrow 03-28-2024 02:16 PM

I won't release it for several weeks yet but my thoughts in-process for my What I Want mock actually has a bit of what I talked about in response to Meck and is looking like this:

1-032 - LT Jordan Morgan, Arizona (6'5" 312)
2-048 - WR Roman Wilson, Michigan (5'11" 185) Trade w/JAX for 2-64 and 2025 3rd f/TEN
3-095 - CB Andru Phillips, Kentucky (5'11" 190)
4-131 - DT Jaden Crumedy, Mississippi State (6'4" 301)
5-159 - TE Jared Wiley, TCU (6'6" 249)
5-173 - WR Ainias Smith, Texas A&M (5'9" 190)
7-221 - RB Rasheen Ali, Marshall (5'11" 206)

I don't know, necessarily, that I'll change my thoughts much unless KC opts to sign Donovan Smith pre-draft.

I've come to love the prospects of Wilson and Smith as guys that really impress me after the catch and how you can deploy them. I think both fit Reid's offense spectacularly.

Jerm 03-28-2024 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17460769)
Pass rushers and LT's. The league has pretty much figured out what and who those guys are gonna be and draft them accordingly.

Weird considering interior defensive linemen and Guards got paid this offseason more than anyone but sure...

In58men 03-28-2024 06:10 PM

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staylor26 03-29-2024 12:20 AM

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RunKC 03-29-2024 09:03 AM

Javon Baker is the hardest WR to gage for me. He isn’t a deep threat per se. He’s got really nice route running skills though. It reminds me a lot of what I saw in Tank Dell who also didn’t have a fast 40 but continuously got open.

O.city 03-29-2024 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17460919)
Weird considering interior defensive linemen and Guards got paid this offseason more than anyone but sure...

That....is completely irrelevant to what I said?

The league has pretty much figured out who will be the best LT's and the best DE's and pass rushers, and they get drafted in the top 15 picks.

staylor26 03-29-2024 09:05 AM

I think he's a darkhorse ar 64 (won't be there in the 3rd).

RunKC 03-29-2024 01:37 PM

It’s early but if I had to pick a 1st rd pick by the Chiefs I think it’s the BYU tackle. I watched his tape study. He’s got a lot of potential

staylor26 03-29-2024 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17462007)
It’s early but if I had to pick a 1st rd pick by the Chiefs I think it’s the BYU tackle. I watched his tape study. He’s got a lot of potential

I think I lean towards Kingsley over Morgan as well, but I still think WR will be BPA.

Nightfyre 03-29-2024 02:39 PM

I am going on a limb and predicting that if AD Mitchell is on the Board at 27 AND the Chiefs don't covet any of the remaining tackles, the Chiefs call and move ahead of the Bills to take Mitchell.

staylor26 03-29-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 17462054)
I am going on a limb and predicting that if AD Mitchell is on the Board at 27 AND the Chiefs don't covet any of the remaining tackles, the Chiefs call and move ahead of the Bills to take Mitchell.

I could see it.

MahomesMagic 03-29-2024 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17461117)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Favorite WR from <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MoveTheSticks</a>’ Mock Draft 3.0? �� (via <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLTotalAccess?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLTotalAccess</a>) <a href="https://t.co/fldV3TiyDw">pic.twitter.com/fldV3TiyDw</a></p>&mdash; NFL Network (@nflnetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1773495806215291303?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Weird, my exact 5 first round WR's...


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