Both comparisons are grossly hyperbolic.

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That's cool to see a big time player giving this type of analysis & praise to Moore. I wish they could have given Skyy more touches against the Bengals, but perhaps they were holding back a little bit for the Playoffs. Would be cool if this guy and Hardman/Toney along with Thuney could end up being X-Factors in a rematch.

What struck me watching him in person was how he SNATCHES the ball out of the air.

That and the wiggle.

I see a weapon coming on.

I didn't see anything special about his "wiggle" in that clip, because it's a move that even guys like Albert Wilson or Byron Pringle have made, and neither one of them were ever considered a weapon.

And yeah he did snatch that ball on the pass, but he has huge hands and is an NFL wide receiver, and that makes it just a routine catch, nothing special, and the whole wow, the hit helped him regain his balance is also just ridiculous praise for nothing extraordinary.

I so, so want to be wrong about Skyy Moore, but I just don't see a future star like some people.

Can you please point out some of the things he does that make you see a star? That's an honest question.


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Skyy will be good

jeez you're tiresome.

I literally point out two things that I liked to see. You say you don't agree, and then ask for more things?

Why bother?

You're right, he's shit, this team is shit, and we're going nowhere fast. Probably better to find another team to root for.

Jeezus Harrison Christ.

I have never said this team sucks, and I have never said we are going nowhere.

I said Spags sucks, and I feel like Moore is a disappointment.

Just because I don't see everything as roses and rainbows doesn't mean that I don't love my team.

Pointing out obvious deficiencies doesn't make anyone a bad fan.

Like, saying Matheny can't manage his bullpen, and Mondesi is a huge disappointment because he is constantly injured, doesn't mean I hate the Royals.

The gatekeeping on this board is just ridiculous sometimes.

Snatching a ball out of the air, and making one guy miss in the open field, are not signs of a future star, because those are things that even JAGs can do. Why can't you see that?

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no one should be down on skyy right now

the chargers game was really impressive

Just saw this today. Smith didn't have to single out Moore, but he did.

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Watson should be farther up that list….

Alec Pierce is doing better than Moore at this point.

Apparently Drake London doesn't exist and doesn't have nearly 600 yards this season.

So Greg Jennings, Steve Smith, and James Jones all love Skyy Moore.

If it were just one, it wouldn't mean much, but when all of these former NFL WRs in the media love what they see in him, it's telling.

I get the George Pickens shit, but I have zero doubt that Skyy will be better than Alec Pierce in the long run. None whatsoever.

The Colts have much less competition at WR than the Chiefs, hence why he's had more opportunities.

I don’t get it at all. He’s a rookie and he’s already acting like a drama queen almost every week. And not in a cocky swagger kind of way. As in trying to upstage his qb and coaches.

No thank you.

There's a reason he fell to the midle of the 2nd, but there's also a reason people like me and Detoxing were drooling over him.

I was a definitely disappointed when he was on the board and they traded back, but I like Skyy, and I'm willing to accept the possibility that they felt he wasn't a culture fit or a risk they were willing to take that early.

It's a personality type, and you often see it in some of the most premiere WR's in the league.

It's part of what makes him great. You take the bad with the good. That fire, that drive....it's what leads to such spectacular catches and ferocious blocks. The dude is all out, max effort.

Yeah, im a fan a of WR's, DB's and LB's that got a little bit of crazy in them.

It’s very easy to see why. Minus the punt return issue (which never should have occurred) you can see the pure talent in his route running, and he snatches the ball out of the air with his hands without breaking stride.

He looks like a natural out there.

I get that WRs are built to be cocky. But he strikes me as a worse version of Keyshawn. He played hard too. But he was a menace in the locker room to the point where coaches and QBs became self conscious about making sure he got touches.

I also don’t think it’s a great sign when the Steelers took him given that they can’t stay away from receivers with absurd talent but terrible character. Happy to have a guy with tyreek swagger. I don’t want a guy who throws sideline tantrums when things don’t go his way. We have a team that is very unselfish about wr touches and have one of the best comeback teams in history, and that’s due in large part to our attitude when things don’t bounce our way.

I was beating the drum for a true X receiver. But the more i sat with that, the more I understand why we prioritized skyy Moore. Our two biggest priorities are beating man coverage (despite skyys size he’s incredibly capable) and beating drop 8. In both cases skyy has the quick twitch you really like that I don’t think our other receivers have other than Toney. We have accelerators but skyy seems way more dangerous manufacturing YAC without a ton of space, but also well equipped to run the whole route tree.

Say what now? How can you say they prioritized him when they traded behind 3 WR needy teams, and took who was left? Based on how they handled the draft, there is absolutely no evidence they prioritized Moore over any other receiver - they'd have taken him at 50, if that was the case.

Well, I think their original play was to see what would fall to them and trade up aggressively if they needed to. Once they realized that would be a ludicrous haul it wouldn’t surprise me if they had their sights on skyy but expected him to be there. I think we needed him more than others. We’re going to see drop 8 a hell of a lot more than other teams.

This 100%. I do not get the d*** sucking of that guy at all. There will be better guys in that draft than Moore but I don't think he's one of them.

This 100%. I do not get the d*** sucking of that guy at all. There will be better guys in that draft than Moore but I don't think he's one of them.

Alec Pierce is 6'3" and ran a 4.33 forty. This year he has 32 catches for 510 yards and 2 TDs, with an over the hill Matt Ryan statue, and some dude named Sam Ehrlinger (or something like that) throwing him the ball.

Skyy Moore is 5'10" and ran a 4.41 forty. This year he has 17 catches for 205 yards and 0 TDs with Patrick FN Mahomes throwing him the ball. PATRICK FN MAHOMES

How in TF can you say that Skyy Moore is better or will be better than Alec Pierce? Is it because you have to double down on your draft day prediction that Moore was a great/good pick? Because your opinion isn't based on their performances so far in their careers.

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Yeah he's big and quick, and a worse football player imo. And Mahomes isn't throwing Moore the ball. Is that because he's not running routes well, or he's often not the 1st read, quite possibly. Also possible Mahomes trusts vets ahead of, vets that aren't the absolute dross Indy has.

As for doubling down, I'll accept I may well end up being wrong. We'll see. I think Pierce is a guy benefitting from being targeted a lot.

It doesn’t have to be better or worse. It’s about fit. Right now the chiefs need a catch and run guy more than they need pure speed. Skyy Moore did very well on three cone and appears way more agile to the eye than on paper. The way he runs reminds me a lot of Albert Wilson. But more importantly… just looking at the scouting report pierce isn’t great in man coverage. And skyy can potentially be. And we need that more than ever right now.

He just needs reps the games he's really gotten to play in he did well. The only person I can possibly see him taking some reps from is MVS. If it doesn't happen this season next year people will sing a different tune about him.

The bengals game should raise the urgency of getting him reps quicker and I don’t think it vultures MVS. We need MVS as an over the top option for a very occasional seam. But what we need most is way more quick hitches with WRs who can actually get YAC. And more empty formation. We will probably see a hell of a lot more drop 8 after last weekend.

Skyy Moore had an awful 3-cone.

Again - y'all just keep repeating things that are simply inaccurate.

Moore and Pierce had the same 3 cone time and Pierce had a faster 20 yard shuffle.

With 60 targets this season compared to 26 targets for Skyy Moore.

Is “doing better” just empty stats with more targets in a less talented offense?

We need to start seeing some big numbers from him for the last 5 games and I don't mean fumbles.

I remember when Deshaun Watson was having a fantastic rookie year while Mahomes was sitting in the bench. Meant absolutely nothing in the long run.

So who's job is he taking next season?

MVS will be here.

Most CPers are predicting JJSS will be here.

Toney will be here.

Hardman is up in the air.

If MVS, JJSS and Toney return, where's he gonna see these snaps next season?

I’m really intrigued to see what Justyn Ross is going to bring. I hope we keep Watson too.

It's a valid question. If the defense is, "well he's buried on the depth chart", well.....would he not presumably be buried on the depth chart going into next season too?

If so, why are we expected to see this increase in snaps/production?

And you gotta figure the Chiefs will draft a guy and maybe sign another Watson-like street FA too.

If THIS version of the Chiefs WR room is too crowded to shine....well....im not sure next years will be any less crowded.

Not sure how exactly it happens, but zero doubt that he will have a good offseason and earn his role either way.

Veach drafts for year 2, he's said it himself.

I still think that Toney and Moore are the most talented WRs on the roster and will both have key defined roles next season.

He will no longer be a rookie. He will have a firm grasp of the offense. That's the difference.

If you think Alex Pierce would be getting any more snaps in this offense, you're out of your mind.

So who's snaps would he be taking?

Does MVS, JJSS and Toney having a firmer grasp of the offense in year 2 not count as well?

And i'd bet if we had Alec Pierce he'd probably get Watson's snaps. He's a different type of receiver and we really have no way of knowing so it's not even worth talking about.

How can I answer that question when I don't know who's going to be back for sure? He can't take snaps away from guys that might not even be here.

Im not convinced JuJu or MVS is back next year. I'm sure one probably will, but I have zero doubt that Toney and Moore are the future starting next year.

That's because it doesn't make any logical sense.

He doesn't do what MVS does, he's not taking MVS' job.

If JJSS is here, he's not gonna take his job either.

If Toney is healthy and Hardman is here....he ain't taking their jobs either.

Will they resign Watson? Because right now he can't climb ahead of Watson either.

And if the Chiefs take a WR early, that's yet another guy to compete with.

No, it's because we literally have no idea who's going to be back.

I don't hate Sky Moore but he has shown nothing to get excited about yet. It's possible he does more next year but I wouldn't let JuJu walk and assume Sky fills the role.

Everyone on CP has been telling me all year how JJSS will be back. So i assume he'll be back.

And MVS is under contract so....he'll be back.

And as much as i love Toney, until he shows he can stay healthy, he CAN'T be a featured full time player. It would be an epic mistake to count on him.

CP doesn't determine who will be back.

The Chiefs have an out after year 1 with MVS's contract IIRC.

Don't give me that. You have a pretty damn good idea who'll be back. You had a pretty good idea all the way up until this morning when i threw the challenge flag at your defense of Moore.

Play the odds for the sake of the conversation.

And based off what we've seen THIS season, the odds are substantially high that he'll be entering the season as the 4th or 5th WR yet again.

Hardman won’t be here next year. If Nelson Agholor and Curtis Samuel are making $11.5 million then Hardman’s market will likely be around $12 million which is way to much for what he does.

I like Watson but Skyy will be better next year. There’s a lot of snaps for him starting next year.

And the Chargers game was full proof of his abilities

If you had you had to make a guess, would you say the odds are greater than or less than 50% that they bring JJSS?

And why would they bother cutting MVS? Again, do you REALLY think they're gonna cut MVS?

I don't think you do.

LMAO

Ok man. Now you know what I think better than I do.

And Watson won't? Assuming they give him another 1 year deal?

It's clear as **** that they prefer Watson over Moore right now.

JuJu can't seem to stay healthy, so I'm not convinced at all that they're willing to give him a long term deal.

If I had to guess which guy is gone, it's obviously JuJu.

You act like we haven't been having conversations for the past year about this WR room. I KNOW you're a JJSS fan and I KNOW you, at one point, thought he'd be back.

I've read your posts, dude.

You're playing coy this morning because you realize that being buried on the depth chart isn't going to all of a sudden go away assuming this room more or less stay intact next season.

Watson gets a lot of snaps, but he barely gets targeted at all. He's JAG. A journeyman.

The Chiefs invested a 2nd in Moore and there's zero reason to think they've soured on him at WR. Like I said, Veach drafts for year 2. It's not some bold prediction to say that Moore will be a big part of the offense starting next year.

Oh, i don't think they'll give him a long term deal. I don't think he gets one.

But i've been saying that since before we even signed his ass.

I'm the guy everyone wants to argue with about JJSS because i'm one of the few who doesn't believe he brings real, irreplaceable value.

But that's not what i asked you.

I asked you if you think he'll be back. Not if he's getting a long term deal. Not if you think he should be the guy to go.

But if you think the Chiefs will bring him back.

That was before he started missing games like he always does.

Opinions change based on new information all of the time.

JuJu is not exactly reliable. The guy is constantly missing time. That doesn't scream "sure-fire new long term contract" at all.

It's probably his last chance at a long term deal too, so there are other factors here as well.

And I'm answering your question honestly despite your implication that I'm not.

Oh i don't think the Chiefs have "soured" on Moore. Not at all.

I'm asking you where these snaps are going to just start coming from.

Based off what we know now, i think there's a good chance JJSS comes back and NO chance MVS gets cut. Toney will obviously be here.

That's ALREADY 3 guys that will be getting snaps ahead of Moore.

Then you have players like Watson, potential F/A pickups, Rookies etc to contend with after that.

If we're being completely objective here, there really isn't some clear path for production from Skyy Moore headed into next season.

He's more likely to be headed into next season in the same situation he finds himself in today.

Have you seen the FA WR list?

It's awful, and there's aren't going to be a bunch of talented WRs available for trade like last year.

JuJu is easily one of the best WRs available this offseason, mostly because there's nobody.

Eh.

Concussion though. Does that count the same? It doesn't in my book. And he only missed, what 2 games?

From an injury standpoint, once could say he was fairly healthy this season.

And I'm saying I don't know where exactly the is snaps are going to come from, but he will earn them either way, and you don't find that answer acceptable.

I don't think he's going to be in the same position he is today because he's one of the 2 most talented WRs on the roster and will no longer be a rookie.

He came back from a concussion and immediately got banged up and wobbly again (he barely played the week before).

I think i've made my feelings on JJSS clear over the past season.

If teams were gonna sign him to a big contract, they woulda done it already. Two straight years and nothing.

Nothing JJSS has done this season has changed my mind, and i'd be surprised if it changed any GM's minds.

And we can't sit here and pretend like we know who will or won't be available for trade.

No one thought Tyreek Hill would be traded and AJ Brown came out of left field too.

Ok, fine, i'll accept your answer of, "I just have faith". You just believe. Don't need a reason, you just believe. Ok. That's fine.

It's not just blind faith. The Chiefs invested a 2nd round pick in Moore, and Veach drafts for year 2. It's not a stretch to say that alone gives him a much better shot at having a defined role than this year.

Moore is a high character guy with a great work ethic. He'll be in Texas with Pat. He will get better, and knowing the offense will certainly not be an issue in year 2.

The Chiefs plan ahead. They've done it going all the way back to Dorsey. I don't know what exactly there plan is, but I know that it includes Moore. That's my point.

Bc of experience. Skyy Moore has more upside than Watson and the Chargers game proved it.

Skyy has a skill set that’s valuable. He runs routes well, gets open and he catches the ball.

MVS ain’t doing that.

Hardman and MVS are the most replaceable WR’s on this roster outside of Watson. One has 50/50 hands and the other can’t run routes consistently and needs manufactured play designs.

There’s speed guys in the draft available every year. It’s very easy to find.

I think that’s gonna be our 3rd biggest need after DE and tackle in the offseason. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they get a WR like that in rd 2

Tyreek, Brown, Adams, etc. all had contracts that were expiring soon going into the offseason though.

Where are those guys this offseason? I could just be forgetting somebody, but off the top of my head, I can't think of many talented WRs that are due for new deals that could be traded.

Even looking at the guys that weren't traded (Deebo and McLaurin for example), last year was jsut an anomaly. That's far from the norm.

Just took a quick look at the 2024 free agent WR class, and the only guy I see that fits the mold of those dudes last year is Tee Higgins.

I don't really see the Bengals trading him while they still have Burrow and Chase on rookie deals. Next year is probably an all-in year for them, and they'd be significantly worse without Higgins.

That alone will increase the value of the top free agent WRs this year. If you need a WR, it's SLIM pickings.

I think JuJu stays. JSS, MVS, Moore, Toney. Hardman I think they let go probably and will draft another.

Juju seems really hard to replace in this offense. Not many like him either.

I’d keep him for 3 years, keep MVS one more year bc Juju’s first year cap hit will be so low and draft a speed guy like an Alec Pierce in rd 2 to replace MVS in 2024

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Mark my words.

Skyy Moore will be the reason we win a game, THIS YEAR!

Might be a playoff game, might be due to injuries but he will get a shot and he will excel. THIS YEAR!

He is a very good Receiver with skills. When the team needs him most, he is going to deliver!

You forgot to specify it won't be on special teams.

The thing about JuJu is that he's reliable. he can reliably run the correct route, recognize and take advantage of zone coverage, catch over the middle, and understand game situations. I could be wrong, but I don't think Andy and Veach are going to dismiss these attributes. You need stabilizing influences on any team, the more the better.

We saw this last night if you watched the game. LVR had too many players with their heads up their asses, which was a big reason they lost the game.

I believe that is implied since he wont be returning kicks of any kind. LOL

I’m not too upset about trading tyreek. I think we’ve more than moved on. But man, juju was a perfect complement to tyreek and a big part of what we needed last year. I agree that I just don’t see juju as a WR1 but I think he’s a terrific player to play off of a great WR.

I get why we got him. We need WRs who can win in the short field where last year it was speed on top of speed.

One of the reasons I got on my soapbox about getting a true X/WR1 is that the chiefs need versatility at WR. We don't have that and so we carry role guys. Juju is big but not fast. Mvs is fast but not a short field guy. Meanwhile someone like Metcalf or jamaar chase can do both damn things. And so if we're going to spend $20m on juju and $10m on Mvs, why not just put $20m on a wr who can do both. But I digress….

You can get more talented players and make them reliable.

I like Toney a lot. I like Hardman. And yes, i actually do like Moore. Matter of fact, the prospect of going into next season with all 3, and then upgrading on MVS and JJSS has me giddy.

I view all 3 of those guys as potential weapons that really need excellent perimeter receivers to pair with them.

It takes me back to LAST season when i made this argument. That i want to see the Chiefs go out and get some big time playmakers on the outside. Some big bodies that can stretch the field and come down with prayer balls. The type of players that can bail out Mahomes, instead of needing Mahomes to bail THEM out.

I get that Toney could potentially be that kind of guy, but until he can stay healthy i think the Chiefs should "Jerrick McKinnon" him if you know i mean.