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Unreal

loochy 01-29-2018 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13386226)
I have never understood this thread
What's there to not understand? These people watch wrestling and then ralk about it. :shrug:

cosmo20002 01-29-2018 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13386447)
What's there to not understand? These people watch wrestling and then ralk about it. :shrug:
This part. Also, 'ralk.'

loochy 01-29-2018 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 13386469)
This part. Also, 'ralk.'
I assumed everyone in this thread is Asian. That might explain their collective hardon for Nakamura.

thegame214 01-29-2018 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13386499)
I assumed everyone in this thread is Asian. That might explain their collective hardon for Nakamura.
I don't get the Nakamura appeal at all

Bufkin 01-29-2018 09:33 AM
Nakamura is annoying and so is the Asian female they’re trying to push. Both look like they don’t speak a lick of English, but they’re the hip choices now for WWE to push and fans are oddly all for it.

KCrockaholic 01-29-2018 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13386564)
Nakamura is annoying and so is the Asian female they’re trying to push. Both look like they don’t speak a lick of English, but they’re the hip choices now for WWE to push and fans are oddly all for it.
They're both good wrestlers and both have plenty of charisma. That's why.

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 13386564)
Nakamura is annoying and so is the Asian female they’re trying to push. Both look like they don’t speak a lick of English, but they’re the hip choices now for WWE to push and fans are oddly all for it.
If you've only seen him on the main roster, then I get you. He's been just another misused NXT talent since he came up so far, and he's been dragged down by having to work with Corbin and Mahal. Once they really get the ball rolling on the Styles/Nakamura feud, I think he'll be okay. If you're just not a fan of his quirky mannerisms though, there's nothing that will redeem him for you.

thegame214 01-29-2018 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13386597)
If you've only seen him on the main roster, then I get you. He's been just another misused NXT talent since he came up so far, and he's been dragged down by having to work with Corbin and Mahal. Once they really get the ball rolling on the Styles/Nakamura feud, I think he'll be okay. If you're just not a fan of his quirky mannerisms though, there's nothing that will redeem him for you.
I fall into that category so that's probably why. I'm sure some people are still wondering WTF matt hardy is doing lmao

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 13386619)
I fall into that category so that's probably why. I'm sure some people are still wondering WTF matt hardy is doing lmao
People are so excited for Styles/Nakamura because the had an excellent match in NJPW for their Intercontinental Title, which actually means something over there.

KCrockaholic 01-29-2018 07:33 PM
What do you guys think of this Elias character? I haven't watched WWE since football season started (I do that every year). So I'm a little behind on his whole gimmick and what people think of him.

Just ordered the network again yesterday, so I'll be watching again until August.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2018 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13387707)
What do you guys think of this Elias character? I haven't watched WWE since football season started (I do that every year). So I'm a little behind on his whole gimmick and what people think of him.
He's over pretty decently. His character fits better into the WWE product as opposed to NXT.

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13387707)
What do you guys think of this Elias character? I haven't watched WWE since football season started (I do that every year). So I'm a little behind on his whole gimmick and what people think of him.

Just ordered the network again yesterday, so I'll be watching again until August.
Comes out. Sings shitty song and gets cheap heat. Someone interrupts him. They fight. Pretty easy character to rinse and repeat. I do like that he actually had the balls to incorporate the CM Punk chants into his promo with Cena.

KCrockaholic 01-29-2018 07:40 PM
I really wanted him to Jeff Jarrett somebody yesterday with his guitar, but dang it, it looks like he actually uses it for what it's made for.

Random note. Vicki Guerrero is 49 years old and Torrie Wilson is 42. My, do we all grow differently.

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13387714)
I really wanted him to Jeff Jarrett somebody yesterday with his guitar, but dang it, it looks like he actually uses it for what it's made for.
Oh no, he smacks the shit out of people with that guitar. Aftermath of one such shot on Finn Balor

http://www.ringsidenews.com/wp-conte...balor-head.jpg

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2018 07:50 PM
Much like you rockaholic, I don't go into full wrestling mode until January/WM season. Then, once training camp begins I slowly begin to stray towards football. Once the season begins, I just peep my head in from time to time.

KCrockaholic 01-29-2018 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13387726)
Much like you rockaholic, I don't go into full wrestling mode until January/WM season. Then, once training camp begins I slowly begin to stray towards football. Once the season begins, I just peep my head in from time to time.
Ya, WWE is a good little distraction to get through the off season each year. I don't like basketball, and I don't care for baseball besides when the Royals are playing. Plus the road to WM each year can be pretty interesting to watch the build ups.

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 08:00 PM
Man, they have just ****ing tanked Matt Hardy, even after he did their version of Broken.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2018 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13387747)
Man, they have just ****ing tanked Matt Hardy, even after he did their version of Broken.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm struggling to generate interest in the character. Something isn't clicking for me right now with Hardy.

Sassy Squatch 01-29-2018 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13387759)
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm struggling to generate interest in the character. Something isn't clicking for me right now with Hardy.
He needs the supporting cast. Doing that goofy laugh and screaming delete will only get him so far. Luckily, I'm pretty sure he's said most of them will be around soon.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2018 08:20 PM
Miz is really a great heel.

GloucesterChief 01-29-2018 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13387747)
Man, they have just ****ing tanked Matt Hardy, even after he did their version of Broken.
He needs to be a heel first for it to work IMO.

KCrockaholic 01-29-2018 09:09 PM
That match with Sasha and Asuka was incredible.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-29-2018 09:43 PM
This show has been so, so much better than last week. Ironically.

BryanBusby 01-30-2018 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13387759)
I'm probably in the minority, but I'm struggling to generate interest in the character. Something isn't clicking for me right now with Hardy.
Need to give it time.

It was a slow burning thing in TNA and it took months to get to the Final Deletion.

mcaj22 01-30-2018 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13387954)
That match with Sasha and Asuka was incredible.
Sasha is horrendous in the ring. She mails it in half the time and the other half she gets people hurt.

loochy 01-30-2018 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13387763)
He needs the supporting cast. Doing that goofy laugh and screaming delete will only get him so far. Luckily, I'm pretty sure he's said most of them will be around soon.
Yes. He needs the skits. I fell in love with the gimmick because of the campy skits.

Skaarsgard the delapidated boat
Vanguard 1
George Washington
The Lake of Reincarnation
The Hardy Compound
Senor Benjamin
Brother Nero

THESE are the things that allowed the broken gimmick to be awesome.

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TLO 01-30-2018 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13387954)
That match with Sasha and Asuka was incredible.
I thought Sasha was dead after that dive...

Mosbonian 01-30-2018 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13387795)
Miz is really a great heel.
To me Miz is the best heel they have right now on Raw....and he plays it so well. Miz is what Dolph Ziggler could have been if he worked harder at it.

He reminds me of the times that Shawn Michaels would turn heel....

Sassy Squatch 01-30-2018 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13387795)
Miz is really a great heel.
I disagree. He's probably the best talker in the business right now, but I never want to see him in a match after his promos, and that's kind of the whole point of wrestling.

Mile High Mania 01-30-2018 02:20 PM
Not sure it will ever find the success with the names and appeal that it had from the 80s through the early 2000's... I've tuned in now and then and just not interested.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2018 07:14 PM
Anyone watching SD?

Sassy Squatch 01-30-2018 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13389288)
Anyone watching SD?
Yeah. There's no way that KO or Sami are getting a 1 on 1 at Fastlane with AJ. Betting it'll be a fatal 4 way with Orton thrown in.

KCrockaholic 01-30-2018 07:36 PM
Just turned it on. Is Smackdown still a boring show compared to Raw or are they more even now?

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2018 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13389299)
Yeah. There's no way that KO or Sami are getting a 1 on 1 at Fastlane with AJ. Betting it'll be a fatal 4 way with Orton thrown in.
Either way, I think it's pretty useless because Styles/Nakamura is absolutely the match at WM.

I'd rather see them do something like they did back in 2007 with Cena/HBk/Taker/Batista. Take the two main events and put them against each other in a tag match, Lesnar/Reigns vs. Styles/Nakamura.

And I know that'd never happen, but I'd be more interested in it than a title match with an outcome as predictable as a house show main event.

Sassy Squatch 01-30-2018 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13389317)
Either way, I think it's pretty useless because Styles/Nakamura is absolutely the match at WM.

I'd rather see them do something like they did back in 2007 with Cena/HBk/Taker/Batista. Take the two main events and put them against each other in a tag match, Lesnar/Reigns vs. Styles/Nakamura.

And I know that'd never happen, but I'd be more interested in it than a title match with an outcome as predictable as a house show main event.
Nah, I think there's a very real possibility it'll be Orton/Nakamura or Orton/Nakamura/Styles. Orton didn't RKO Nakamura for no reason out of nowhere.

Sassy Squatch 01-30-2018 07:43 PM
Whoever had the "bright" idea to add these graphics/sound effects to the promos and entrances needs to be shot in the head and left in a ditch.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2018 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13389323)
Nah, I think there's a very real possibility it'll be Orton/Nakamura or Orton/Nakamura/Styles. Orton didn't RKO Nakamura for no reason out of nowhere.
Gah. Do not want.

Orton can stay completely out of the title picture as far as I'm concerned unless they're finally going to let him go back to being a heel. That's what the guy does best. Dick in real life, needs to be a dick on TV.

Sassy Squatch 01-30-2018 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13389338)
Gah. Do not want.

Orton can stay completely out of the title picture as far as I'm concerned unless they're finally going to let him go back to being a heel. That's what the guy does best. Dick in real life, needs to be a dick on TV.
He'll at the very least be a tweener in that situation.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-30-2018 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13389340)
He'll at the very least be a tweener in that situation.
I think that's a major problem within WWE right now.. too many tweeners. Too much gray area. Not a lot of transparency.

They need to get back to making some characters REAL assholes. Not just with their words, but with their actions.

TLO 01-30-2018 08:26 PM
I'd love an Owens, Nakamura, Styles triple threat at Mania.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-05-2018 06:56 PM
Raw tonight. Anyone in?

BryanBusby 02-05-2018 06:57 PM
Na

big nasty kcnut 02-05-2018 07:48 PM
yes i think finn should be pushed back to main event. Also depush roman reigns.

mcaj22 02-05-2018 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut (Post 13403891)
yes i think finn should be pushed back to main event. Also depush roman reigns.
Finn's not even currently on the rumored Wrestlemania card LOL

BryanBusby 02-05-2018 08:04 PM
The amount of talent Vince wastes is absurd

KCrockaholic 02-05-2018 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13403906)
Finn's not even currently on the rumored Wrestlemania card LOL
I thought there was a chance of Finn vs Cena?

mcaj22 02-05-2018 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13403980)
I thought there was a chance of Finn vs Cena?
right now it's Cena vs Undertaker LOLOL

I'd imagine that's going to change but for some reason come WM season they just can't move on from the old names

KCrockaholic 02-05-2018 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13403984)
right now it's Cena vs Undertaker LOLOL

I'd imagine that's going to change but for some reason come WM season they just can't move on from the old names
I'm sick of the ****in Undertaker shit. End it already. He should've been officially done 5 years ago minimum

New World Order 02-05-2018 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13403995)
I'm sick of the ****in Undertaker shit. End it already. He should've been officially done 5 years ago minimum
Should have quit after his Corporate Ministry gig

KCrockaholic 02-05-2018 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 13404012)
Should have quit after his Corporate Ministry gig
Lowkey my favorite Undertaker phase was American badass Undertaker. I just liked his skillset better for that style. It was more fun than the Deadman stuff.

BryanBusby 02-05-2018 09:04 PM
The problem is Vince is all about big stars for WM still, in an era where they are all about brand over people

mcaj22 02-05-2018 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic (Post 13403995)
I'm sick of the ****in Undertaker shit. End it already. He should've been officially done 5 years ago minimum
This is what the Wrestling Observer said could be the rumored card so far


Spoiler!

BigCatDaddy 02-05-2018 09:41 PM
Didn't The Undertaker retire last year?

New World Order 02-05-2018 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13404065)
Didn't The Undertaker retire last year?
He's the new Terry Funk

BryanBusby 02-05-2018 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13404065)
Didn't The Undertaker retire last year?
They quickly walked back on that with how pissed people were after Roman beat him.

He should have retired after losing to Brock, but I don't blame him for taking a million dollar payday to limp around a ring for 20 mins

BigCatDaddy 02-05-2018 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13404097)
They quickly walked back on that with how pissed people were after Roman beat him.

He should have retired after losing to Brock, but I don't blame him for taking a million dollar payday to limp around a ring for 20 mins
I canceled my subscription after that match only to reup to watch the shitty Royal Rumble

BryanBusby 02-05-2018 10:12 PM
You haven't missed much. WWE since WM has been nearly completely shit.

BigCatDaddy 02-05-2018 10:18 PM
Once the streak was over the whole luster was gone. Nobody gives a shit now.

mcaj22 02-05-2018 10:35 PM
I'd cancel the network in a heartbeat but the catch 22 is that WWE's best product with the most stacked talent, NXT, is only on the Network. It's the only place to see talent before Vince ruins it.

I am enjoying every second of Velveteen Dream before he gets called up to the main roster and turns into a jobber. But on NXT he looks like a superstar in the making. But you just know Vince will ruin it. Also EC3, Ricochet, and War Machine all coming in

Swanman 02-06-2018 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13404107)
I canceled my subscription after that match only to reup to watch the shitty Royal Rumble
Take that money and spend it on NJPW World instead (like $8.50 per month). The New Japan shows are incredible and more and more of them are getting English commentary. Wrestle Kingdom (their WM) is worth a few months fees alone. There was not one boring match on the entire Wrestle Kingdom card and it was a 5 hour show. Not to mention the amazing Jericho/Omega match.

Also, I was seeing that ROH may enter the streaming service game. If they included the entire back catalog of shows, that would be a great service as well.

Mile High Mania 02-13-2018 10:26 AM
Some of you might enjoy this one...

http://uproxx.com/prowrestling/wwe-s...then-to-now/5/

Mecca 02-13-2018 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 13404481)
Take that money and spend it on NJPW World instead (like $8.50 per month). The New Japan shows are incredible and more and more of them are getting English commentary. Wrestle Kingdom (their WM) is worth a few months fees alone. There was not one boring match on the entire Wrestle Kingdom card and it was a 5 hour show. Not to mention the amazing Jericho/Omega match.

Also, I was seeing that ROH may enter the streaming service game. If they included the entire back catalog of shows, that would be a great service as well.
I'm gonna be honest with you NJPW is only going to appeal to hardcore fans. If you were into wrestling because Austin and Rock were awesome and that kinda thing NJPW isn't gonna do it for you.

That is a hardcore workrate promotion and while I like that, lots of American fans don;t.

Swanman 02-13-2018 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415077)
I'm gonna be honest with you NJPW is only going to appeal to hardcore fans. If you were into wrestling because Austin and Rock were awesome and that kinda thing NJPW isn't gonna do it for you.

That is a hardcore workrate promotion and while I like that, lots of American fans don;t.
That is pretty much true, however they do a pretty good with angles as well. The angles are just a lot simpler. It's usually about a championship belt. The stuff they are doing with Minoru Suzuki and his faction is simple great stuff. He is just an old dude that likes hurting people.

I think a large number of people would be at least partially converted if they watched one Wrestle Kingdom show. I am obviously biased but it's just good stuff.

Mecca 02-13-2018 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 13415082)
That is pretty much true, however they do a pretty good with angles as well. The angles are just a lot simpler. It's usually about a championship belt. The stuff they are doing with Minoru Suzuki and his faction is simple great stuff. He is just an old dude that likes hurting people.

I think a large number of people would be at least partially converted if they watched one Wrestle Kingdom show. I am obviously biased but it's just good stuff.
I literally just read an article that said the WWE's business is being hurt because they have to many foreign wrestlers. Not sure I buy it or not so I wonder how a promotion like NJPW would do here with frequent tours and such.

Swanman 02-13-2018 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415155)
I literally just read an article that said the WWE's business is being hurt because they have to many foreign wrestlers. Not sure I buy it or not so I wonder how a promotion like NJPW would do here with frequent tours and such.
NJPW is being smart and just slowing wading into the US market with a few shows in California and seeing how they do. They also run frequent shows with ROH in the states. I know they got a lot of new subscribers in December because of Jericho vs Omega at Wrestle Kingdom.

Part of the issue with foreigners in WWE is they usually book them like crap. If you let Nakamura do what he did in Japan, I am sure he would be fine. He is a guy that beat the shit out of people.

otherstar 02-13-2018 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415077)
I'm gonna be honest with you NJPW is only going to appeal to hardcore fans. If you were into wrestling because Austin and Rock were awesome and that kinda thing NJPW isn't gonna do it for you.

That is a hardcore workrate promotion and while I like that, lots of American fans don;t.
I like NJPW, but I also like ROH, and the local promotion ROW (Reality of Wrestling that is run by Booker T and Stevie Ray). I like work rate because of the era I grew up in, watching All Star Wrestling on Sunday mornings on Ch. 41...Harley Race was THE MAN.

Mecca 02-13-2018 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Swanman (Post 13415169)
NJPW is being smart and just slowing wading into the US market with a few shows in California and seeing how they do. They also run frequent shows with ROH in the states. I know they got a lot of new subscribers in December because of Jericho vs Omega at Wrestle Kingdom.

Part of the issue with foreigners in WWE is they usually book them like crap. If you let Nakamura do what he did in Japan, I am sure he would be fine. He is a guy that beat the shit out of people.
You have no idea how many comments I've seen from casual fans or WWE fans who aren't like hardcore everything wrestling fans that hate Nakamura because they can't understand what he says or he looks stupid. etc etc

As ****ing dumb as Vince Russo is there are a lot of fans that completely agree with his bullshit that american fans don't like foreign wrestlers and the wwe signing bad body guys hurts too.

I was at smackdown last week tons of people around me kept making comments about how they looked like regular guys and that stupid shit. Dude made fun of owens and zayn all day for looking like they just got off their 9-5 and these guys would never make it when wrestling was good. Then he ripped on Styles for being little and looking like a DJ.

lots of fans believe this shit.

otherstar 02-13-2018 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415523)
You have no idea how many comments I've seen from casual fans or WWE fans who aren't like hardcore everything wrestling fans that hate Nakamura because they can't understand what he says or he looks stupid. etc etc

As ****ing dumb as Vince Russo is there are a lot of fans that completely agree with his bullshit that american fans don't like foreign wrestlers and the wwe signing bad body guys hurts too.

I was at smackdown last week tons of people around me kept making comments about how they looked like regular guys and that stupid shit. Dude made fun of owens and zayn all day for looking like they just got off their 9-5 and these guys would never make it when wrestling was good. Then he ripped on Styles for being little and looking like a DJ.

lots of fans believe this shit.
Wow...those same folks wouldn't have been fans 30+ years ago with that kind of attitude. When I started watching wrestling, ripped wrestlers were rare. Local KC favorite/hated wrestler Bulldog Bob Brown is a case in point.

http://tonydpyt.tripod.com/autographpix/bobbrown.jpg

Bulldog didn't have a body to speak of, and his work rate was so-so...YET he could get a crowd to hate him quicker than anybody I've ever seen (before or since). Yet, because of Bulldog's ability to work a crowd, he held the Central States NWA Title 19 times -- which is still the record. Harley Race didn't have a great body either, but he was gold on the mic and a tremendous worker. Guys like them would be hated by today's fans.

EDIT: fact of the matter is, guys like Owens, Zayn, Styles, Zayn, are Bray Wyatt actually more in the mold of old-school wrestlers than most on the roster these days.

Mecca 02-13-2018 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 13415559)
Wow...those same folks wouldn't have been fans 30+ years ago with that kind of attitude. When I started watching wrestling, ripped wrestlers were rare. Local KC favorite/hated wrestler Bulldog Bob Brown is a case in point.

http://tonydpyt.tripod.com/autographpix/bobbrown.jpg

Bulldog didn't have a body to speak of, and his work rate was so-so...YET he could get a crowd to hate him quicker than anybody I've ever seen (before or since). Yet, because of Bulldog's ability to work a crowd, he held the Central States NWA Title 19 times -- which is still the record. Harley Race didn't have a great body either, but he was gold on the mic and a tremendous worker. Guys like them would be hated by today's fans.

EDIT: fact of the matter is, guys like Owens, Zayn, Styles, Zayn, are Bray Wyatt actually more in the mold of old-school wrestlers than most on the roster these days.
The WWE trained so many people what wrestlers are supposed to look like and they are still eating that.

There was a time when Steve Austin was a small guy by their standards dude was 6'3 250lbs.

loochy 02-13-2018 04:02 PM
Jerry Lawler had the most "everyman" body ever and he absolutely OWNED Memphis.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrest...es/lawler2.jpg
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Mecca 02-13-2018 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13415569)
Jerry Lawler had the most "everyman" body ever and he absolutely OWNED Memphis.

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Yes Memphis but not the national scene.

The thing is the WWE is the company that is left and they trained the vast majority of fans that wrestlers are supposed to be ripped like body builders. Well now that the business is a bit different and they have smaller guys a lot of fans aren't accepting of it because if what they've always been taught.

10 years ago guys like Owens, Samoe Joe and Sami Zayn would have been laughed out of a WWE tryout and told to hit the gym. It goes to show you the huge dudes are fewer now and that Vince has less say than he once did.

It's also why guys like Reigns and Strowman have huge pushes they are the few guys that are big and ripped.

loochy 02-13-2018 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415568)
The WWE trained so many people what wrestlers are supposed to look like and they are still eating that.

There was a time when Steve Austin was a small guy by their standards dude was 6'3 250lbs.
Dude, you know something is crazy when these guys are considered "too small" to be champs. They are all lean and 225+ lbs as shown:

https://img00.deviantart.net/e2d9/i/...30-d9hjvpv.png


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-Micheals.jpg


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-The-Ring.jpg
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loochy 02-13-2018 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415575)
Yes Memphis but not the national scene.

The thing is the WWE is the company that is left and they trained the vast majority of fans that wrestlers are supposed to be ripped like body builders. Well now that the business is a bit different and they have smaller guys a lot of fans aren't accepting of it because if what they've always been taught.

10 years ago guys like Owens, Samoe Joe and Sami Zayn would have been laughed out of a WWE tryout and told to hit the gym. It goes to show you the huge dudes are fewer now and that Vince has less say than he once did.

It's also why guys like Reigns and Strowman have huge pushes they are the few guys that are big and ripped.
Oh I know. My point was that there's a lot to wrestling besides muscles if the fans just suspend their disbelief and enjoy the show for a bit.
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Mecca 02-13-2018 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13415579)
Dude, you know something is crazy when these guys are considered "too small" to be champs. They are all lean and 225+ lbs as shown:

https://img00.deviantart.net/e2d9/i/...30-d9hjvpv.png


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-Micheals.jpg


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-The-Ring.jpg
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By WWE standards Hart and Michaels were small and Eddie was tiny. Chris Benoit was considered too small by their standards also.

Hart and Michaels only ever got pushes because of the steroid scandal without that the WWE looks very different and those guys aren't viewed remotely how they are today.

There was a time when Scott Hall was an average sized WWE guy the dude is ****in 6'7 280lbs

otherstar 02-13-2018 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13415579)
Dude, you know something is crazy when these guys are considered "too small" to be champs. They are all lean and 225+ lbs as shown:

https://img00.deviantart.net/e2d9/i/...30-d9hjvpv.png


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-Micheals.jpg


http://www.wrestlingmedia.org/wp-con...n-The-Ring.jpg
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Yep, and that killed Eddie...and worse in Benoit's case.

Bret Hart at least had the height, he was just never really ripped (neither was Stone Cold, but he was convincingly large). Shawn Michaels was short, but one of the best in and out of the ring (and I'm old enough to remember when he was wresting in KC with Marty Janetty).

EDIT: Eddie Guererro was only 5' 8" tall. Shawn Michaels is listed at 6' or 6'1" but is probably just under that. Bret Hart is about 6'1" tall (and is just a little taller than Shawn Michaels. For comparison: Rey Mysterio is 5'6" tall and Brock Lesnar is 6'3" tall.

Mecca 02-13-2018 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 13415580)
Oh I know. My point was that there's a lot to wrestling besides muscles if the fans just suspend their disbelief and enjoy the show for a bit.
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There are alot of people who really do think them hiring more guys who "look like regular joes" is hurting their business. I've heard over and over "larger than life superstars draw money, guy who looks like your neighbor does not."

Mecca 02-13-2018 04:14 PM
There's a reason why everytime Rey Mysterio turns up there he looks like he does, it's common perception to work for the E you have to gas up. Dude was tiny in WCW he shows up in WWE looking like a small tank.

otherstar 02-13-2018 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13415590)
There's a reason why everytime Rey Mysterio turns up there he looks like he does, it's common perception to work for the E you have to gas up. Dude was tiny in WCW he shows up in WWE looking like a small tank.
That's Vince's fault since he always went for the bigger more muscular guys like Hogan when he went national, and never really changed. Any change that is coming about now is likely due to HHH who does seem to value good ring work.

In Hogan's heyday, WWE talent were always big guys, but not always good in the ring (mostly because they were told how to wrestle by Vince--for evidence, go look up videos of Hogan in Japan....he was totally different in the ring there than he was allowed to be by Vince in the US).

EDIT: Mecca, I didn't see your post above to the same effect before I posted this.


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