Right and it's about kids being trained in all aspects of MMA from such a young age compared to guys being trained in one discpline and trained to do enough of the others to get by. They are all going to be well rounded in the future.

Top UFC dudes coming in to Pride during its hayday all got their asses ****ing stomped. UFC had always been the inferior fighter's organization, IMO. By the time Pride fell apart and the Pride dudes went to UFC, they were all past their prime.

I can agree to that.

What top UFC guys are you referring to? How old is past one's prime in MMA?

Chuck Liddell for one.

And it just depends on the fighter really. Overeem has peaked later in his career and is just about to be on the downward end.

Randleman, Belfort, Lidell and Sylvia all come to mind.

I miss skinny Overeem choking dudes out. :( Not a big fan of Ubereem.

That was one, but I was looking for all the other ones that got stomped.

I agree, but most of those guys weren't much older then 30 so I don't think age was the main factor in the decline of some of the Pride greats. It was either they didn't evolve as a fighter or they just weren't able to compete at a level of the current guys.

well this is partially incorrect.

Sylvia never fought in PRIDE.

Liddell went 1-1, but he beat a young unexperienced Overeem.

Belfort had a winning record in PRIDE and lost to legends.

And Randleman has just always been shitty.

Sheeeet. You're right, just looked it up, I thought Fedor owned Sylvia in Pride for some reason, I guess it was just some other random event? My memory fails me.

Affliction, man! :evil:



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which was the event where the nastiest KO in mma history happened.

Vitor KO'ing lindland so bad he was stiff on the ground for 10 minutes. Literally.

Best Combo all night, masterful

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someone on my twitter hosted a watch party last night and tweeted this to me, the guy ****ed his tv up, its about to go viral, lololol.

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Wand in his prime would walk through anyone at 205 right now. He would ****ing demolish Jon Jones like a bitch. People just don't get how good Wand was, his chin was legendary until he got KTFO by Hendo. And after you get that first one like that, they tend to come more easily after that. But he was so big and strong then and hit so ****ing hard, it was insane. Other GOOD fighters were legit SCARED of Wandy during that time.

But like all guys, eventually you fall off the cliff.

What a loser

His life must suck

He must have had alot of money riding on that fight to get that pissed off.

I learned along time ago, take your rage out on something you cant break. haha

If that was my tv I would have beat that dudes ass after the first shot.
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Condit was brilliant in executing his game plan. Diaz displayed a lack of respect for his opponent and his employer following the fight. I get that he was frustrated. For the crowd to boo Condit was completely absurd.

Rogan seemed somewhat surpised that Diaz didn't go down with the kick to the head. You could hear the crowd gasp in anticipation.

Condit just fought insanely smart and didn't let Diaz sucker him into losing his cool with his BS shit-talking antics.

It looks like they are going to do it again.


http://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/2012/...with-nick-diaz

Surprised Condit agreed. He must be getting some crazy $ for it.

Why are you surprised?

I assume if Diaz would happen to beat Condit's azz than Condit loses his shot at the title. If so, he's risking a huge opportunity.

He was going to have defend it against someone since GSP is looking at a November return. Might as well fight the guy who you know you can beat.

I didn't realize GSP was out that long. If he had to fight someone anyway, than I agree with you.

Octagon control means nothing? I know it was a close fight. How you get 49-46 I'll never understand. And those leg kicks didn't do shit.
What is this supposed to mean? Since when is it a bad thing to be a fan? I've watched every UFC card for last 5 years. Just because I don't train fighters or fight myself I get put down by arrogant assholes like yourself.

Nevada State Athletic Commission is saying Diaz tested positive for pot.

Good grief.

So they don't drug test before a fight now?


Throw me in a cage on PCP, bet I'll smash someone.

This means that you scored the fight wrong. It's not a bad thing to be a fan. None what so ever. Just telling you like it is. Diaz didnt have octagon control. Condit went wherever he wanted to.

Diaz tested positive for pot, eh? Shocker! No wonder Gracie said yesterday that the rematch was not going to happen.

Yeah, was pretty clear something was up when everybody was gung-ho for it in the morning, and then there was silence in the afternoon.

A lot of top level fighters smoke pot on the reg. Diaz y u let urself get caught!

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Exactly. I meant he's a Diaz fanboy. I watched that fight 3 times. I have nothing against Diaz or for Condit. I am neutral on both guys. And to me, Condit won that fight. Was it a good close fight? Yes. But it wasn't so close that Diaz got robbed. To me Condit clearly started gaining momentum in about round 3. The ONLY reason I gave round 5 to Diaz was because of the takedown. If not for that, Condit wins that round too IMO.

The fight metrics were for Condit in every area.

My guess is you're a Diaz fan.

He just doesn't care. Or at least that's how it seems, he talks about how he hates fighting and he's quitting, I suppose he'll get a nice vacation now. Hopefully he'll get his shit together because even if he's a goof he's a hell of a fighter.

Yeah. I like the Diaz brothers. Less now that I realized Nick is an idiot first with the cheapshot in strikeforce and now the failed drug test. And you are right about the fight I just don't much care for counter strikers who are constantly running away.

Say what you want about White, but I love it when someone admits they screwed up.


http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/2/16...nchez-mma-news

Anybody watchin' this one? That was one hell of a comeback. I think Joe Rogan needs a towel after jizzing all over himself in excitement.

**** YOU RAMPAGE.

**** YOU RAMPAGE!

**** YOU RAMPAGE !!11!!!11eleventy!!1!!!11

Rampage should stick to acting.

I wonder if Rampage was hurt or something because that was brutal.

Nice to see a new lightweight champ. Edgar is boring.

Edgar is not boring. Are you kidding? Have you even watched his fights?

Who does Bendo get next? Pettis? Rematch with Edgar?

In my opinion he is boring. Like 90% of his fights go the distance.

Frankie Edgar was involved in two of the most exciting fights in UFC history. He is far from boring... Ryan Bader on the other hand about put me to sleep.

I don't know how he thinks he won that fight. LOL.

Cosmetic damage means very little. However, effective striking was the difference due to the huge difference in the size of the fighters. Edgar needs to drop down at least one class for now.

JFC I really wish you would quit commenting on MMA.

The damage a guy has at the end of a fight has no bearing on winning or losing it. Lots of guys take 1-2 shots that do a ton of damage, but can dominate a fight. Frankie didn't dominate that fight, but he did enough to win. He outstruck and won the take down battle 7-2. And he was in fact that reigning champ, and to me a close decision should always go to the champion.

Second, Frankie is boring? OMG......I don't even know what to say. Lots of 155 guys don't finish fights. It doesn't make them boring fighters.

Ryan Bader was boring, as he decided he was too much of a pussy to go toe to toe with Rampage so he decided to do some good ol fashioned lay n pray.

Rampage had to know that was Baders game plan all along. I was surprised that Bader was able to take him down at will. He usually has solid take down defense

Frank Edgar is far from boring. Not having huge KO power does not equal boring.

Rampage had a knee injury. He's usually one of the best at stuffing takedowns but I'm sure that played a part. Bader was boring as ****.

I wonder how much longer he'll go? He should have some good fights left in him if he wants them. I was also surprised at the Akiyama fight, I thought he could have won it if he had been more agressive on his feet.

Actually Shields was the better stand up fighter in that one and I think he was probably a little worried about Shields putting him on his back. Did it look like Sexyama had spent some time in the tanning bed? There is something funny about a Japenese guy in a tanning bed.

That was my point, we've seen Akiyama go toe to toe with Leben and Belfort. Why was he so tentative with Shields? I suppose the threat of the takedown could be it but he lost anyway

It was a very tough fight to score and could have went either way, but these guys know a little more then I do.



Agreed. I've got Edgar either 3-2 or 4-1. Great fight though. RT @danawhite: No matter who wins this will be controversy!!!

— Dan Henderson (@danhendo) February 26, 2012
Wow. Even more controversial then I thought.Great fight, fans will def be asking for a rematch.

— Dan Henderson (@danhendo) February 26, 2012



Ok I don't say this ever, but that was the absolute worst decision I have EVER seen.

— Amir Sadollah (@amirMMA) February 26, 2012



Henderson is winning clearly "@danawhite: How do you guys have this fight scored right now???"

— juniorcigano (@junior_cigano) February 26, 2012


I think Frankie should have won...

— The Diamond (@DustinPoirier) February 26, 2012




Awesome fight @jakeshieldsajj .Great main event tonight. Thought Frankie won a close fight but Ben looked amazing out there. Thanks UFC

— Gilbert Melendez (@GilbertMelendez) February 26, 2012


Frankie Edgar is the real life Rocky Balboa!!

— Rashad Evans (@SugaRashadEvans) February 26, 2012



Ill give ben the fifth. We might have a new champion.

— Nam Phan (@NamPhanMMA) February 26, 2012


Wow!! Love Benson. It was a close fight but I had Frankie winning that fight.

— Kenny Florian (@kennyflorian) February 26, 2012
Henderson winning isn't necessarily the issue for me. Inconsistency of the judging is. Bendo is the champ & put on a sick performance!

— Kenny Florian (@kennyflorian) February 26, 2012



@kennyflorian I agree @FrankieEdgar was more busy striker and score more takedowns.. How the score that unanimous decision..

— Fabricio Camões (@fabriciocamoes) February 26, 2012



I thought Frankie won @UFC

— Ken Stone (@K3nStone) February 26, 2012



I make a horrible judge!

— Duane Ludwig (@DUANEBANGCOM) February 26, 2012



Frankie won IMO.

— Yves Edwards (@thugjitsumaster) February 26, 2012



RT @jmercadoMMA: I'm getting sad.Frankie clearly won but people don't understand that visual damage is not apart of the scoring system

— Conor Heun (@ConorHeun) February 26, 2012




@IronMike333 I probably woulda had it a draw honestly 2 rounds Edgar, 2 rounds Benson & 1 rnd tied. SO close great fight

— Miesha Tate (@MieshaTate) February 26, 2012


I'm so inspired right now!! That fight was incredible !! Ben and Frankie are warriors . Thank u guys! #UFC144

— Joseph Benavidez (@JoeJitsu) February 26, 2012



It was a damn good fight. I feel Frankie definitely won it. Don't worry brother youll be back on top. Forget cutting weight 155 is your home

— Rad Martinez (@radmFTW) February 26, 2012


Ben Henderson is the most well rounded fighter in the world (wrestling, cardio, stand up,jiu jitsu, big 155) #UFC144

— Derek Brunson (@DerekBrunsonMMA) February 26, 2012


They're both winners in my book #UFC144

— Cub Swanson (@CubSwanson) February 26, 2012


I believe damage done needs to play a factor in judging a round. And I believe Benson Henderson did more damage in all rounds. #Champ

— Pat Schilling (@PatSchilling) February 26, 2012


BJ and Gray got immediate rematches in close fights with Frankie, so Frankie should at least get a rematch after that war I thought he won

— John Cholish (@JohnCholish) February 26, 2012

This thread is dying. Anybody catch the fights last night.

Rashad is the Bernie Mac of the UFC... minus the whole dead thing. Loves that he got his shit pushed in... especially after that little shoulder dance at the beginning of the 2nd rd after he got a shot in on Jones.

I was a little turned off on this whole even though because it felt very WWE with the whole ex-bff's angle. That whole thing felt manufactured.

Went to Atlanta and saw the fights last night at Phillips Arena. Overall atmosphere was great (drink prices through the roof), and it was a pretty good venue. The fights were...lackluster. Lots of booing, which I don't dig. From my perspective Jones controlled the fight and did what he had to do, no more. Rematch anyone?

No rematch Jones won all 5 rounds, it would be different if RE gave him some sort of challenge. Glad I get these fights for free.

Hell no to a rematch. It wasn't a close fight. I'd like to see him fight Gustfsson next at 205 and after that he should probably fight some HW's.

Rashad looked done after the 2nd round. That elbow jab is just freakish.

Right, he seemed like he was just trying to avoid getting KO'd rather then mix it up a bit.

Gifed up the Evans strut -- it was too good.
Bones Jones looked like he had been studying Tony Jaa with those elbow strikes. Dude is an absolute stud. Shocker of the night? Rory MacDonald ****ing destroying Mills.. wow - this guy is gonna be fun to watch.

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It was fun to watch. Evans and Jones are my two favorite fighters. I was hoping Evans would win because I think Jones is a for sure Hall of Famer. I just don't understand why Rashad didn't try to use his wrestling.

Evans reminded me of Denzel in Training Day lmao

You were shocked about Rory? I mean, they basically threw Mills to the wolves; Rory is a monster. Watch his fight with Condit or Nate Diaz. Word out of Tristar is that they think he's the future of WW.

Jones keeps people at such a huge distance there is no way to shoot on the guy. That's not even considering he was a great wrestler that is likely damn hard to take down if you even get to those legs and avoid eating a monster knee to the nose.

Gustaffson would get eaten. He showed a lot of promise, but that is a work in progress.

I think anybody would get eaten, but physically he matches up the best. Who else you got at LHW?

I really hope they don't try to throw Hendo in with him.

Hendo is already confirmed by Uncle Dana to be next for Jones. Gus would get worked on the ground. Wrestle****ed by Phil Davis makes me shudder to think what Jones' elbows would do to him. Yikes.

I think the winner out of Mark Hunt and Stefan Struve should fight Jones. Jones needs to move up if you ask me. A real fighter will challenge himself. I wouldn't want Jones to jump into HWs fighting Carwin, Cain or Overeem. Ease into a new weight divison.

The more exciting matchup would be for Silva to move up to LHW to fight Jones if he gets past Sonnen. That would sale a lot of PPV's.

This. That would be awesome.

Without a doubt, I don't think Silva will make the transition though.

MMA's not as exciting to me as it once was. Not as big a deal. I still like it, but not like I used to. Not sure why.

I had never seen Rory fight - but I did see Mills KO Chris Cope.. Yeah, i was shocked to see the skinny dude beat the shit outta Mills. It was awesome though and I'll definitely keep my eye on the kid.

I completely agree, that last PPV fight I watched was JDS vs Cain. In all honesty I use to order every single one. All Pride and UFC events. Dana ruined it for me, tired of his "This fight is going to be the best UFC fight ever" statements before every fight. It gets old. If he brought back Tito and Shamrock he'll say "this fight will be very very exciting" then both fighters are gassed after the 1st round. I know he's suppose to hype of fights, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

Lol, so you ease him into one of the hardest hitting HWTs in Hunt? His ground game is non-existent tbf, but I doubt they put Jones up against a former K1 stud in his first HWT bout. Additional lol at the "Real fighter will challenge himself" quip. So, Jones staying at LHW makes him a fake fighter? ROFL

Anderson already said he wouldn't bump up to 205 to fight Jon. Jon also views Anderson as a mentor and doesn't seem interested in fighting him either. Additionally, if Jon takes Anderson down, it is over. There is literally nobody who can survive with Jon on top of them in MMA right now, especially at 205 with Roger moving down to 185.

Anderson has a nice gig, if I were him I wouldn't want any part of that.