What about Michigan State? That team never gets the credit it deserves.

How about UCLA ranking below KU in his dream? 11 championships including 7 in a row?

Things nobody gives a shit about for 1000.

Iowa is beyond dominant in wrestling. They wrapped up the freaking title prior to the final day. Unreal. I'm just glad UNI went to that tree for their next coach.

Yes it is.

But if you went to that school they are royalty all the same.
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Not the fault of the education system at all. I don't put much stock into business degrees and most degrees that aren't in a specialized field. Basically you pay to show an employer that you applied yourself "kind of" for 4 years.

I think we actually receive 3 educations; one from our parents, one from our teachers & professors,...and one from the real-world..and I think the third complete contradicts what the first two teach us.

But I digress...the fact that graduating from a Big 10 school doesn't seem to help much in the job hunt. I mean I went to Iowa, not like Northwestern or anything, but the business school was ranked really high. Nobody cares, especially now that you are in the work force a few years.

KU has done it 5 times, actually. Seeing as there was no NCAA tournament when they won it the 1st 2 times, they're usually counted as National Championships.

I think anyone who just got the degree at the end of the day missed the boat. There is so much to get back from the school if you go and grab it. I know a lot of people who just got the paper, and I feel a little cheated.

But it is what you make of it.

What does any of this have to do with what I said? Iowa has no tradition, KU does. Tradition has nothing to do with what is about to happen.

I think what KU fans are trying to say is people are discounting basketball. We understand Football is the #1 revenue making sport, but by far and large basketball is #2. And it's not even close between #1 to #2 or #2 to #3.

Basketball is being discounted by those that matter: the conferences.

Like I said, it was for fun. Chill.

How's this?

1a-d = UNC, UK, UCLA, Duke. No particular order.

Arguments can be made for all of them, again depending on personal perspective.

What era is KU defined by?

The 50's, the 80's or now?

Funny how other programs are defined by eras, yet they all have more titles while having fewer years of history in which to do so.

KU's the oldest program of the group with the fewest championships.

I don't see how that makes them a "King" while the others are just "powerhouses."

The Dan Gable tree has many, many branches. UNI's athletics program is really impressing me over the last few years. I used to watch Darrell Mudra and his boys rule the Gateway but IMHO Panther athletics is overall better than it has ever been.

UK, UNC and KU are not defined by eras because they have always won. Duke and UCLA are defined by eras.

Definitely Top 5-10, IMO.

Again, there are several teams you could argue for depending on your personal perspective.

Iowa has plenty of tradition, we also aren't facing being relegated to collegiate athletic oblivion.
The butthurt coming out of you is strong, for your sake I hope a reputable conference will throw KU a mercy **** and let them come occupy their basement.

Those two before there was a tournament, during the Warren G. Harding administration, don't seem so relevant 90 years later.
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This thread is off the rails!

OT: I got commissioned by a design firm in NC to shoot at Mizzou on Friday. Should be fun.

No, Iowa has no tradition. Like I said again, I'm not butthurt at all over this. I'm pretty sad to see KU being in this position, but I'm also a realist and I realize that money rules the world. MU provides TVs, NU provides football, which happen to be 2 of the things that provide the most money. You can keep bringing up the fact that KU isn't invited to the party till you're blue in the face, it still doesn't change the fact that KU is a blueblood in a major sport while Iowa doesn't even come close. That's all I'm saying man, there's no need for the vitriol, because it actually makes you sound butthurt.

Always won WHAT?

Regular season games? Conference championships? Last I checked, Duke is less than 100 wins behind KU in program wins, yet KU has an advantage of 7 or 8 seasons played. Is it really that unreasonable to think that they wouldn't/couldn't have won 12 or 13 wins a year had they started pre-1900 like KU?

KU has a 20 year head start on UCLA, and yet UCLA is only approximately 400 wins behind. Is it really that unreasonable to think that they wouldn't/couldn't have won 16 games a year had they started pre-1900 like KU?

Is it still hard to win championships, or not?

Congrats Zach. Referral business, word of mouth, did you bid the job or cold call?

:D It's getting harder to hear you KU, you are fading out............

Does anyone here understand these deals are based on revenue...not tradition? MU to the Big 10 completes the St. Louis market with Illinois and adds 1/2 the KC market. NU brings a whole state of Nebraska. Texas schools...nuff said. KU, KSU, ISU offer nothing for revenue for one of the new super conferences.

They kind of came to me, used one of my shots for a design of Missouri's athletic facilities and after we agreed to those terms we struck up a relationship.

It needed to regain its burst.

Plus, it's better than the alternative right now - talking Chiefs.

Congrats on the job, Zach.

Mizzou needs to understand its place.
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As the saying in Texas goes…… (Could it be that) Mizzou is more hat than cattle? Athletically and academically speaking, Mizzou’s performance is average at best so it’s hard to understand what they are waiting for (if in fact they have an offer on the table from the Big 10). My guess is that the Big 12 is calling their hand.

Mizzou should understand its place.

If there is an offer….Mizzou should declare for the Big 10 immediately and have iron clad legal assurances of inclusion before they do. If Mizzou doesn’t have an offer from the Big 10 by now, they should declare they are staying put in the Big 12. The new TV deal that the Big 12 would get in place next year might not bring in 20 million per team, but it would be significantly higher than it is today.

It’s all about the money…or is it? : The Big 10 and Big 12 covet Nebraska more than Mizzou despite the fact that Missouri has more than 3x the population as Nebraska. Why? Yes they are steeped in football tradition and they do sell out the 80,000 seat stadium 6 to 7 times a year, but their TV market is much smaller and that is where the revenue is. So why would the Big 10 or Big 12 want them over Mizzou? Mizzou needs to understand this dynamic.

Academic fit? Please!: The "academic card" is one that Mizzou should NOT play....Mizzou ranks 48th of the top national public universities according to US News and World report.

In the Big 12 North, Mizzou ranks 5th (that’s right…5th) behind Colorado at 34, Iowa State at 39,Nebraska at 43 and KU at 46. (Where would Mizzou rank without its journalism school?) No Big 10 team ranks lower than 29.
I thought, after reading this blog and noting the care in which many Mizzou Grads take pleasure in correcting the slightest of grammatical errors…that Mizzou thought of itself as a much better fit academically in the Big 10 than the Big 12. In the Big 12 we would rank 8th or 9th (Baylor is private), in the Big 10, Mizzou would be dead last….by a large margin. How’s that for a recruiting pitch?

Leverage: Mizzou’s only leverage is its Market Share: Missouri (not to be confused with Mizzou) is attractive to the Big 10 for one reason only....Market share. The Big 10 wants Mizzou because of the nearly 6 million people that live in the state and not because of its athletic and academic standing. They should be playing this card as aggressively as they can because it appears to be the only card they have.

Supporting data:
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best -colleges/national-top-public

Mizzou ranks dead last by a large margin of number of Big 12 championships won since the league’s inception.

We have approximately more than 3 times the population of any state in the Big 12 other than Texas. If we were to join the Big 10, only Wisconsin and Iowa have smaller populations.

I'm pretty sure some of us understand this, lol.

Neither has any Lincoln/Omaha news outlets reported it. It's still all BS until I see it on a official Husker website. :shake:

LMAO

Yeah, we're all just in awe of Iowa.

Your entire ****ing state is relevant once every four years, when the politicians get chummy with the rubes while the cameras are rolling. Lasts about a week. Other than that, you're North Dakota with hills. No one cares about wrestling or anything else you do. Geography put you in the Big 10, but it's not like Iowa's a major player. And if the situation was reversed, and it was the Big 10 that was crumbling, you can bet your dainty ass that Iowa wouldn't be on anybody's wish list.

Everyone understands it, except for a certain group of KU fans clinging to the idea of "tradition" and "royalty" and are butthurt that they'll be left behind to play the likes of Wyoming and Air Force twice a year.

To the solid KU fan like Lzen and Guru, they understand that KU's in deep shit right now, assuming there's smoke where there's been fire over the past few weeks.

To the douchebag KU fan, they are in absolute disbelief that there's any reason for concern. After all, they're KU Basketball. Don't you forget it.

What's that, pig ****er?

Hey, Carlos needs a refill!

ROFL Exactly...it doesn't matter to the powers that be that their school has a great basketball program.

Who, exactly do you include in this group? Just curious.

When exactly did OnTheWarpath58 become such a festering boil?

2/28/09

:evil:

And ask to be trolled and stalked, when I have no dog in this fight - I'm just calling it as I see it?

No thanks.

FWIW, you fall in the middle, leaning towards the non-douchebags, from what I've read from you in this thread and others.

I have no issue with you. Just debating the topic.

We all know who the douchebag KU fans are. Let's not play stupid here.

That's what I've been saying all along, Sure-Oz. All along...

That has to be Pioli's hire date. Edit: No, he was hired earlier than that, I'm sure.

LMAO

Which would be the day I created and posted a Clayton-lite video named "Believe," which ended with a shot of the Executive of the Decade holding the Lombardi.

I believed, until he started doing stupid shit.

Sanchez FTW!!1!1!!

I bet Skip is shitting bricks right now.

Considering I have no dog in this fight, I'll take this as a compliment, T.

LMAO

I understand. I'm just trying to give you my perspective. I, among many other KU fans, rank the Jayhawks Men's Basketball 3rd overall in the history. ESPN ranked them 2nd in 2008, on the other hand. I just think that winning in the 20's, 50's, 80's and 2000's constitutes more tradition than winning in the 1990's and 2000's or having an incredible run for 10 years (while paying players), that's all.

Having said all that, I have no illusions over exactly how far that's going to take us when discussing this new realignment party, which is nowhere.

I'd set the order as this (top to bottom):

UNC
Kentucky
Duke
KU
UCLA

When Krysishlaskjkaska;lksdjki retires, I think KU and UCLA can go ahead of Duke, who might fall back even more spots.

Why would you put UNC above UK when UK has more wins and more championships? Because Jordan went there?

No. I see UNC as the epicenter of college basketball. Really, the relationship between Kentucky, Kansas, and UNC is pretty incestuous.

UNC has simply been one of the most consistent and remains the gold standard. And, yes, I realize Smith went through a long drought before winning his first championship.

Fair enough.

IMO,

Kentucky
UCLA
UNC
Kansas
Duke

In my opinion, you can't separate those programs in a meaningful way. It's like a "rank the greatest QBs" question.

Everyone seems to realize basketball has little to do with survivng the great BCS cataclysm of 2010.
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Oh noes, I've just been informed that KU fans claim 5 Championships, 2 of them being "Helms Athletic Association" champions.

I confirmed this by Googling "mythical national championships." LMAO

Thank God for 1922 and 1923.

But wait, UNC has one of these Mythical National Championships as well. Which gives them 6. Oh, if only Duke had won one of these Mythical Championships!

Look out for Wisconsin, who's right on your heels with 3 Mythicals and a Real Championship. Just one behind.

So you're claiming there were no basketball champions prior to the NCAA tournament?

Like I said earlier, it's just for fun, at least on my end.

Some take it more seriously than others.

Yeah dude, we are pretty butt hurt over here... and you are putting sand in our hurt butts. Please stop.

LMAO

Sand? You're not going to the Pac-10.

Leave it to the Beakers to make this about college basketball.

Nothing Mythical about it, it was real. It was just under a different name.

Makes me wonder if I can " GOOGLE" " ( MBC)Make Believe Championships and find MU in there somewhere ?:hmmm:

Yeah, by that logic there are no NCAA Football National Champions because they didn't play a tournament ROFL

hahaha, ****er

This is the same guy who neg repped me and said "teedubya You have been ignored. You offer zero value, except being a douche."


When I asked how Turner Gil was an accomplished coach.

awesome logic... but in this case, sounds like it's true. No tourney no Champy.

:evil:

I wonder if Billay has cried about me putting him on ignore yet.

This thread is classic.

Ignore the mating call of butthurt.

810 just reported that Rupert Murdoch is trying to sign the Big 12 to a television deal that would run until the year 2050 and put a National Big 12 game on the Fox mothership every Saturday night.

I'm saying that in my view, it carries about as much weight as Dexter McCluster compared to an elephant.

If my understanding of the history is correct, the Helms Championship wasn't a tournament, it was a vote.

In addition, not all schools officially recognize third-party national championships that they were selected for.

I'd also be curious to know, if someone could find it for me, how many schools actually had basketball programs at the time.

(not being a smartass, literally can't find the info)

Here's the link. They want Nebraska, indifferent regarding Missouri.

http://www.bedlamsports.net/2010/06/...ry-the-big-12/

What is this I don't even

While someones researching that can they please look up who the teams UCLA had to play and how far the team had to travel in order to make it to the Final Four during their run.

A fat TV contract would end all this death of the Big 12 stuff.

He put me on iggy too, and neg-repped. ****in' pussy. **** him.

If this is true the question becomes has MU burnt it's bridges with all their pandering to the Big 10. I'd probably say they'd still be let in.

bedlamsports.net

lol.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit....

but

I guess that kind of makes sense. ****ing Murdoch probably wants a piece of college sports for Fox to counter NBC and TBN. I still don't think that's going to mean anything to MU or NU. I know I'd be saying **** all that if KU was in position to leave for the B10.

Ouch, that might scar me for life, seeing as how I'm not a Mizzou fan.

Exactly the response I'd expect from the d-bag KU fan. Here you go, Metro, you can throw this one on the list.

Someone states a fact about KU basketball that doesn't sit well, and the attack on MU starts.

Nope, no butthurt here. Move along. Nothing to see here.

No.

ROFL

The oxycodone has mad you too civil dammit.

I'm pretty sure that this is all about revenue.

I think you come off as an MU fan and considering that ROY isn't known to pay 100% attention to any given thread, I can see why he would assume that.