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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6436089)
Trying to compare those positions, from two very different eras of football is just reeruned. Of course Walsh failed because he left coach football in 1988 and returned as GM in 99. Yeah there's a fair comparison. 11 ****ing years later. :rolleyes:

The NFL had changed just a bit over those 11 years. Free agency as we know it didn't start until 93.

Policy served as GM for the 9ers. He was not the GM for the Browns.


This is more wording BS by you. The title for Walsh might have been the same, but the NFL landscape had VASTLY changed. And he only took the role for a few years.

Jimmy Johnson "failed" in Miami but I don't see us hiring a new head coach do you? So again the comparison is baseless. It's just something else you want to bitch about.

Jimmy Johnson and Policy were both in charge of player acquisitions in both locations. Both failed miserably in their second location. If you don't know that, then I can't help your dumb ****ing poser ass.

chiefzilla1501 01-11-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6436089)
Trying to compare those positions, from two very different eras of football is just reeruned. Of course Walsh failed because he left coach football in 1988 and returned as GM in 99. Yeah there's a fair comparison. 11 ****ing years later. :rolleyes:

The NFL had changed just a bit over those 11 years. Free agency as we know it didn't start until 93.

Policy served as GM for the 9ers. He was not the GM for the Browns.


This is more wording BS by you. The title for Walsh might have been the same, but the NFL landscape had VASTLY changed. And he only took the role for a few years.

Jimmy Johnson "failed" in Miami but I don't see us hiring a new head coach do you? So again the comparison is baseless. It's just something else you want to bitch about.

More importantly, Johnson, Policy and Walsh were involved with teams where there was reckless disregard for cap space. The 49ers and the Cowboys outspent other teams by an absolute mile, and the level of talent in those organizations was off the charts. Not hard to get to the top when you have a franchise QB and a blank check to spend.

The point, though, is on the coordinators. Coordinators have a long history of thriving in multiple environments. Based on that, I don't see how anyone can complain about Weis. And Crennel... we'll see, but it's hard to say he's a bad hire at this point.

RedThat 01-11-2010 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6436013)
The Chiefs tried to ape the 49ers and it didn't work, now we're aping the Patriots...we should know how this story ends.

Hold your horses, only time will tell if modelling the most successful organization of this decade will work or not?

The Chiefs did try to model the 49ers and failed, yes, you have a valid point there, but its not enough to support your argument. The Chiefs modelled the 49ers at a time when the salary cap era came into effect.

Remember when teams like the 49ers were successful back in the 80's it was probably a lot easier for teams like the Cowboys to emulate them and build their dynasty teams in similar fashion since salaries of teams weren't as restricted and they could afford to keep all their good players around and maintain their continuity of success that way. But in the 90's, teams couldn't do that, that's why you dont see dynasties anymore.

But I find this current Chiefs team modelling the Pats to be a very interesting one. So Im curious to see how its going to pan out? In an era where there is a salary cap it might not be a bad idea to model an organization like the Pats? I think a great deal of their successes started from the top by having great leadership in the FO, assembling an outstanding coaching staff, didn't have the most talented team of individuals but what they had was leadership and great coaching which is now more vital than ever since teams can't have a whole load of great players anymore. Just my two cents.

T-post Tom 01-11-2010 09:10 PM

To the ship, mfckrs. The kingdom is united and all that stand against it shall be laid to waste. :)

BryanBusby 01-11-2010 09:12 PM

Whoever said Crennel would be announced Wednesday gained more legitimacy.

Per a Gnats twitter:

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Crennel's agent via text: "He just got back today. Returning calls to teams. Call Wed for update." Ok so maybe no announcement tonight.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6436141)
More importantly, Johnson, Policy and Walsh were involved with teams where there was reckless disregard for cap space. The 49ers and the Cowboys outspent other teams by an absolute mile, and the level of talent in those organizations was off the charts. Not hard to get to the top when you have a franchise QB and a blank check to spend.

The point, though, is on the coordinators. Coordinators have a long history of thriving in multiple environments. Based on that, I don't see how anyone can complain about Weis. And Crennel... we'll see, but it's hard to say he's a bad hire at this point.

This is one of the biggest myths in NFL history.

If you really think there was that much of a difference in spending before FA, you're insane.

Furthermore, large market teams can manipulate the cap just as much now as they could then.

All you have to do now is fork out bonus money.

The Bad Guy 01-11-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 6436152)
Whoever said Crennel would be announced Wednesday gained more legitimacy.

Per a Gnats twitter:

Thank you.

Mr. Arrowhead 01-11-2010 09:21 PM

Some chiefs fans will never be satisfied, we prolly are gonna have 2 of the most experienced and successful cordinators in the NFL, and some people are still bitching.

BIG K 01-11-2010 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6436141)
The point, though, is on the coordinators. Coordinators have a long history of thriving in multiple environments. Based on that, I don't see how anyone can complain about Weis. And Crennel... we'll see, but it's hard to say he's a bad hire at this point.

Well put. I believe Crennel and Weis to be upgrades over Clancy and Haley as coordinators. Isn't that the job of the GM or coach to upgrade? I wonder if the Chiefs were to trade for Manning or Brady would there be people who complained that the Chiefs were not coming up with their own ideas at quarterback. I have no problem with these two hirings... they have to do a better job than what they had in 09'.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:25 PM

>bad=good.

dirk digler 01-11-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436156)
This is one of the biggest myths in NFL history.

If you really think there was that much of a difference in spending before FA, you're insane.

Furthermore, large market teams can manipulate the cap just as much now as they could then.

All you have to do now is fork out bonus money.

I don't know about that Hamas.

http://www.alostpenny.com/images/graphs/salarycap.jpg

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-11-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6436184)

Wait, so you mean in the first year of the cap it was 34 million and now it has quadrupled in 15 years? And this is restraining spending?

The cap has always been a red herring.

Teams didn't spend exorbitant amounts before the cap, and the teams that spend a lot now do so because they fork over bonus money, which only counts 1/6th against the cap.

Dirk, that proves my point, it doesn't refute it.

TheGuardian 01-11-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436139)
Jimmy Johnson and Policy were both in charge of player acquisitions in both locations. Both failed miserably in their second location. If you don't know that, then I can't help your dumb ****ing poser ass.

And what the **** does any of that have to do with Piolo hiring Crennel and Weis here?

Not a god damned thing. You just want something to bitch about.

Lzen 01-11-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6436156)
This is one of the biggest myths in NFL history.

If you really think there was that much of a difference in spending before FA, you're insane.

Furthermore, large market teams can manipulate the cap just as much now as they could then.

All you have to do now is fork out bonus money.

Dude, wtf? That bonus money still counts toward the salary cap. :rolleyes:

BigRedChief 01-11-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6436162)
Thank you.

Hey!:cuss:


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