That deep ball was on Worthy. At every level of play WR’s are taught that it’s on them to bring it in when a QB delivers a catchable ball. Just drag your left foot, man, it’s basic, basic stuff and the rook has to bring it down in that situation.

Patrick took responsibility for it, as any locker room leader does, but Xavier has got to start becoming aware of where the sideline is.

the fact that he did the toe drag before the catch shows his situational awareness, needs to be refined. :thumb:?

andy needs to get the kid more involved. 0 targets the entire second half is unacceptable. imo he is capable of a lot more than i think a lot of us even realize... pats honestly just played like dog shit this season and there's no way around it. reasoning for that can be debated - but it is the truth.

Looked really dangerous until Reid decided to stop showing him off.

When he gets let loose for all 4 quarters he's going to be a real problem

yep Worthy had plenty of room to get that 2nd foot down and failed to do so.

Maybe he put it close to the sidelines because Worthy was running his route that direction? Worthy had every opportunity to complete the catch and failed to do so.

Many fans do not appreciate Worthy enough. He is a future all-pro.

youtube.com/watch?v=qBil6OEp80k

This is so ****ing bad.

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Looking at that replay, that miss is mostly on Mahomes- no need to lead him that far to the sideline

:hmmm: has the cover 2- "take what you can get underneath" adaptation ruined mahomes?

It wasn’t a great mahomes pass but we’ve seen over and over again that worthy has zero instincts when it comes to keeping his feet in bounds. Never even an attempt at a toe drag or falling into the catch. If our WRs coaches were halfway competent, and I’m not sure they are, they’d be drilling this over and over. It’s a little shocking that a WR who’s gifted at the position (not just as a speed guy) has been so bad at this.

We’re overcomplicating this question in order to support a narrative.

Let’s disregard what the throw woulda, coulda, shoulda been. In a vacuum, should an NFL Wide Receiver be expected to catch the deep ball thrown to Worthy yesterday? If the answer is yes, which it is, then it’s on Worthy. It’s that simple.

Yeah, thats bad!

That should have been an easy TD. Mahomes had time, Worthy was so open there was no need to throw it so far outside. Terrible pass.

Should Worthy have caught it and been able to get both feet down, yes.

Worthy should have made the catch but Mahomes should have thrown a TD.

It's Worthy's fault he couldn't stay in bounds.

It's Mahomes' fault that ball was thrown so close to the sideline. That should be a walk in TD, not a tiptoe sideline catch. I hold Mahomes to a higher standard than a rookie WR. He needs to be better on these deep throws. He either overthrows his WR or leads him tooo much toward the sideline.

These types of opportunities only happen once or twice per game so missing them is very deflating.

Yeah, no excuse for Worthy to not get his feet inbounds

Oh my God. Every angle just makes this worse. He had a whole entire 3rd of the field to work with. Why lead him out or anywhere close to being out?

I don't think he scores, S had the angle, but keep it in bounds atleast. But shit...drag your foot man.

Not throwing a simple pass that would led to an easy TD is on Mahomes.

Not doing a simple toe drag at the proper time to make what should have been a routine catch is on Worthy. It is so weird how he dragged his foot before he caught the ball.

If Mahomes throws the ball right when Worthy breaks, there's no way the safety will catch him

Idk. That is a tough throw. There’s a ton of pressure bearing down on him, he’s backpedaling to avoid it, no pocket formed whatsoever to step into..

This has nothing to do with supporting a narrative. Both could have been better- worthy could have made the play- I’m not denying that. That doesn’t change the fact that Patrick Mahomes is held to a higher standard. He’s by far the highest paid player on the team and is generally regarded as the best QB in football. There was no reason that throw was that close to the sideline. It was a bad throw and Mahomes admitted it after the game.

LMAO No shit. Wanya Morris, once a ****ing gain, gets beaten so badly and so quickly that Mahomes has to yeet it down field in the general direction of Worthy without proper mechanics.

Worthy was the only player with a win by getting that much separation. After that everyone failed

Brotha- in the NFL that is a clean ****ing pocket. Both guys are to blame but for the love of god somebody step up and make the play. Throw him in bounds or drag your foot.

Hell, I thought Wanya held his own on this play. It would have taken about 4 seconds for his man to break free and get a hand on Mahomes. Not to mention the fact that he was essentially coming through the opposite B gap by the time he got past him. I don’t think you can realistically expect your LT to hold a block all the way to where the RG should be.

Which actually leads me to the fact that I hate this blocking scheme. It’s too messy. We’ve got Trey pulling to the left while Creed and Jawaan basically switch places. What’s the purpose of all of that? It’s just confusing and leaves too many opportunities for an assignment to be missed.

I’m not surprised Mahomes felt the need to bail and drop 10 yards back here. He was seeing blue jerseys flash in front of him basically the instant the ball was snapped.

At literally no point is there a clean pocket formed.

And an NFL WR needs to make this catch.

The issue is, this isn't some one off play....there's like half a dozen of these now at this point where Pat just misses badly.

Pat is the 3 time SB player, all world once in a generational player...Worthy is a rookie.

The idea that it's his fault in any way is asinine.

Pat is PLAYING BADLY. Period.

So tired of the excuses dude. I’m watching Lamar, Burrow and other QB’s make throws like this dealing with the same shit.

Why are we making excuses here? Be honest. We all love Mahomes but he has not played well this year. He’s been a problem.

I promise it’s okay to say that

Mahomes snaps the ball at :06. Wanyas responsibility on the play is bearing down on Mahomes by :09. That's pushing it on a normal play. It's an absolute non starter when you need time to throw it that far down the field.

I have no problem admitting when Pat is bad but I also understand his thought process looking at these plays in real time.

Check the interior pass rush as soon as this ball is snapped. It looks like the DT is about to get a free rush from basically the moment the ball is snapped. You can tell Pat sees him, he tucks the ball and gets ready to take off, Jawaan’s uncalled hold and Kelce finally coming over helps to slow him down, Pat noticed and re-anchors, he notices Worthy just as Wanya’s man is now coming in an open lane, grips it and rips it.

You just can’t expect a QB to notice the pass rush and also see the whole field simultaneously.

I think Wanya sucks but I’ll defend him here. He wasn’t the issue. It was Jawaan’s man flashing in front of Pat at the snap that ****ed this play.

If that defender had a body on him from the snap, Pat sees Worthy before he even makes his break and this play could have gone for a TD.

Yeah....the OL just got wrecked again.

We're paying alot of money up there to get shitbird results.

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? It wasn't just Worthy failing at footwork and field awareness, or Mahomes throwing a ball too far to the outside, or Taylor letting his man flash, or Morris getting beat too quickly. It's all of the above.

Yep. Should've let that one fly a second or two before he threw it. Worthy was wide open as soon as he broke outside. Just a bad throw. Patrick has got to get that cleaned up before the playoffs.

That being said, Worthy definitely had a chance to get both feet down. Lack of spatial awareness.

Dude you're insane. No it's not.

It's just Pat at this point.

Are we looking at the same play?

Play action pass- you have Trey Smith and Kelce pulling right to left with the running back motion.

Wanya Morris leaves the end (#57) and blocks down on the DT (#91) and has a double team with Thuney, at no point whatsoever does #91 impact this play. Tre Smith pulls and is responsible for #57 and does a so-so job with his block. Hard to tell if Kelce is supposed to pull all the way with Smith and double team that end- I think he stops halfway because of the interior pressure.

To me the protection doesn't look great since the defense doesn't really take the cheese on the run fake- the blocking angles (Jawaan Taylor's block for example) makes more sense if the d-line takes a step or two towards the running back.

FTR I think they’ll figure this out. They will.

Every year around November they have slumps and they put it together at the end.

They’ll get this worked out by January

Here's the thing; 2018 or 2019 Mahomes makes that throw without question, even with all the variables you mentioned. That's what people are worried about. Pat is simply not doing the things we're used to seeing him do. He's missed an absolutely insane number of deep, wide open targets this year, either via simply not seeing them or making garbage throws. He's making insanely stupid decisions we are not used to as well.

If the LT position is this important to him, then stop dicking around and just trade a bunch of first rounders to move into the top 10 this year and get him a goddamn tackle. Whatever the hell you have to do, go do it to fix this issue. You're not getting one in free agency, and clearly they are not hitting on their draft picks at this spot. Something has to give, you can't keep tossing scabs out there at the second most important position on offense. Eventually, our luck is going to run out and he's going to get destroyed and have his season ended. Just going to have to bite the bullet and make something big happen this offseason.

Yes. That's what the **** I've been saying for years at this point. Quit ****ing around with half measures and get him a ****ing LT he trusts.

Mahomes is not the sole issue on this offense, but he is the MVP and in the past he would overcome the flaws. Now he is becoming one of the flaws. A 15-11 TD:INT ratio is unacceptable. He's only had a single 300 yard passing game this season. He hasn't had a 7+ YPA since that 300 yard game... 6 weeks ago. He's simply playing like a mediocre game manager right now.

Mahomes was bad, Worthy didn't make the play and could have.

Let's talk about how good Worthy looked on all the other plays. Shit this is what I've been waiting for. He looked dynamic and comfortable within the offense. He had his head around when he should have, and his hands looked good. Im excited to see where this goes now. Up to this point he looked like a faster MVS. He actually looks better doing things that aren't the deep ball that he's supposed to at worst be a one trick pony doing.

How do you expect Veach to do that?

There’s not been a LT worth a shit in FA since Trent Williams, who Veach pursued with extreme aggressiveness.

No good LT prospects fall past pick 15. You want Veach to do a Hershel Walker type trade to move up that high? Bc that’s what it’s gonna take. 2 1st, 2 2nds and probably more.

Agreed with all of this.

Amazing how easy it is to agree with analysis like this when it doesn’t contain the usual suspects saying that he’s “broken” “sucks shit” or has “regressed in two straight seasons” (guess we’re just ignoring the whole Super Bowl MVP that happened in the middle of that).

I agree but also......they lost their #1 WR, their "big FA WR" and have had to add and such around it.

Gonna need to have it really going in December and January.

This. He's a hell of a talent. The chargers can keep Mcconkey's ass. I'll take Worthy's ceiling personally

This is solid. Mahomes is not above criticism. And he willingly puts it on himself. They need to find out why this is happening. Personally, I think his play is bad mostly to do to lack of protection. But that's just my opinion.

And you're ignoring the games before that Superbowl MVP. This has been an issue the past 2 years. It's just gotten worse this year.

Why are people so scared of words when it comes to Mahomes? He has regressed the past 2 years. He's not playing anywhere close to his usual standards. But some people are so hung up with the words people are using to describe his play that they want to gloss over the whole issue.

That shit shouldn't matter. I'm talking average numbers here. 7 YPA isn't top of the class... its below average. Mahomes has been below below average for 5 weeks straight. You are telling me losing 1 receiver while gaining Deandre Hopkins turns Mahomes into a pumpkin?

If Mahomes is going to regress to this extent year to year in large part because of shit LT play, then yes, it probably needs to get done even if it's an overpay.

I would think after what we're seeing this year, they will do just that. No more veteran stop gaps, no more hoping 2nd and 3rd rounders pan out. Just spend the money and/or picks and make it goddamn happen. I don't care if we win the SB again, you still go do this. End of story.

People are scared to say it because they think hell snap back to form and they will look dumb.

Needs to come out a lot sooner too.

Mahomes is 100% welcome to regress every season of his career if they all result in a Super Bowl MVP.

Yes? If that's what it takes for Mahomes to be comfortable and play like himself, then that's an easy answer.

Like, if we traded away FAU and Worthy for a good left tackle that can protect Mahomes for the next 10 years, would anyone be upset?

Also, why are we acting like it's impossible to improve at LT without massive investment. Morris is a bottom tier starter and Suamataia isn't fit to dress on game days. It doesn't take a top 10 pick to improve that situation.

Last year the WR’s were a real problem until the playoffs. He would have had 30+ TD’s and 4,500 yards if not for MVS and Toney. They just couldn’t get open. I don’t blame last year on Mahomes.

This year is different. The WR’s are catching the ball at a good rate, guys are open and Mahomes is flat out missing them.

He’s having a down year unfortunately

That's fine for you. I personally like seeing Mahomes play well. In regular seasons and post seasons. My Sundays are A LOT more fun with Mahomes playing great. I'd rather 17 great weeks that lead to a SB MVP run than this shit we're seeing right now. But some people are different I guess

He is absolutely going to snap back to form, as he always does. Doesn't mean people need to be scared to say he sucks right now, because he definitely does. You can't even call yourself a knowledgeable football fan if you try to tell me he's not playing like shit. The excuses about defenses "figuring the league out" have proven to be BS as well, as other QBs are still tearing it up.

Now granted, his situation is less than perfect, but being the GOAT means you step up when things are not ideal. He has not been doing that, but I fully expect him to go into God mode when he needs to again.

I hate to say it, I was never a Smith defender, but we should have Donovan on the phone right now. He wasn't good last year but we've got a real problem.

100% This.

Ones a former MVP making 50 mil a season and ones a rook, this is on Patty, he needs to get his shit together and fast.

If 9-1, the 1 seed in the NFL, and coming off back to back Super Bowl Championships isn’t fun enough for your Sundays, I really don’t know what to tell you, man.

I’ve been emphatic through multiple threads that Mahomes isn’t playing well, but the doom and gloom that our Sundays are shit now feels like we’ve lost perspective from where this franchise came from.

I don't understand this argument. Do you watch regular season games? Do you have an opinion on what you watched? How come you cant express it because they won a Superbowl last year and have a high chance of winning this year? What's the point of watching regular season games if all your takes are about not caring about the regular season and you only care about the results at the end of the season? Why even get on a Chiefs discussion board if you're not going to discuss the games that are being played currently and how they're being played?

Like I'm wrong for wanting the QB of the team I root for and spend a ridiculous amount of time watching and talking about to play well for 17 weeks of the season. I really don't get it LMAO . But like I said, some people are different. You're okay with Mahomes playing like this. I'm not. I like when the elite QB of my favorite team plays elite.

I mean it is what it is, Mahomes has 3 games this year under 200 yards with 2 picks, before this year that had never happened.

Yeah but have you considered that we won back to back championships?

I know that's not pertinent to what you posted, but it needs to be said for some reason.

I mean losing a bunch of guys to injury is a big part of it. Rice was obviously suppose to take a bunch of the load of what Kelce had been, now that's gone and you're seeing Kelce isn't dynamic anymore.

You lose your explosive RB you lose your WR that was suppose to bring the dynamic speed.

But none of this changes that Mahomes gets the deer in headlights look way to often. Bails on pockets before he should, so much so the Chargers and the Bills yesterday both used that set to encourage him to bail on a pocket and he did it every god damn time.

Hopkins is getting open really consistently why is he not your first read every time? Why are you holding the ball looking for big plays? Hit the top of your drop and throw.

You'd think the Chiefs were out there rocking with a bottom 5 OL the way people talk.

Of course history would say that Mahomes will bounce back and dominate in the playoffs like he usually has done (minus one half vs Cincy in the AFC Championship Game).

But I did think we'd see vintage Mahomes yesterday... arguably the biggest remaining game of the regular season, playing with as good a group of WR's as he's had available most of the season, Buffalo's defense is not great, etc.

Him snapping back all 2022 after the Bengals abomination is why I'm sure he'll snap out of this funk too. Because he has never played worse or looked as mentally lost as he did that game and then he turned around and had an MVP season.

The offense just isn't good, if you compare the talent level of the Chiefs offense to what is across the league you see where the problem is.

Injuries killed the upside of the offense.

This team looks tired. They’re getting everybody’s best shot every single week.

OL is getting outplayed and outworked yet again. You see it in Thuney, Creed and Trey. No team in this league is getting everybody’s best shot every week. We are literally every teams SB.

Getting the bye in week 6 sucks. That’s 12 weeks of hard nosed play. They need to lock in bc that’s bye week is so important for them this year.

Last week before the Broncos game, Nick Jacobs and Matt Derrick commented on how they did a light walkthrough on Thursday instead of the million plays Thursday, hard practice.

Said the team is tired.

If Mahomes goes back to his old self, this offense can still be a top 10 offense just from his greatness. The LT position is where the trouble is but our skill positions are no worse than the 2022 team.

Agree. LT is an issue but the WR’s are much better now.

We have a problem at Rb though. There’s no explosion. I like Kareem but he’s a steady 4-5 yard player. There’s no juice.

And yeah it’s great to get Pacheco back but we haven’t had that playmaking RB in the passing game since McKinnon.

Look at what McKinnon gave us in 2022 and look at what we’ve had since? Enormous downgrade

There just isn't any juice on the offense, even Hopkins at this stage is a really good possession guy.

Once Xavier Worthy gets a hold on where he is and where the OOB starts, he will be a weapon. Until then he needs to improve awareness.

Well they play the shitty Panthers and have the terrible Raiders. Hopefully they beat those teams badly and rest guys in the 2nd half.

Also have a 9 day window after the Blakc Friday game.

Thank God Pacheco and Omenihu are coming back. Need the fresh legs

Yup. Last 3 games I've thought they looked tired as a whole.

Kareem has had to carry the rock some crazy amount of times since we got him.

The defense hasn't even been on the field that much but just looks tired overall. We didn't sack Allen once in that game which is crazy.

Mahomes quite frankly is not a very accurate deep ball passer. He never has been despite his reputation. He's accurate when he can throw darts, though. Either way we can all agree Worthy still ****ed that one up, too.

It was covered for awhile because Tyreek Hill can make almost anyone look good on plays like that.