Nice info on the Michigan WR!

I think X Legette is going to be the "WTF!?" pick from someone in the 1st round.

Someone like the Raiders or Cowboys will have him much higher on their boards than others and swoop him up before the public and pundits expect.

At least, he's my top choice for that one out of place pick in the first we typically see.

I think he slides into the 3rd.

I think the other two candidates are Roman Wilson and Jermaine Burton.

Could also see RB Brooks.

There's always 1 surprise pick in the 1st every year.

Dropping this here so I don’t forget to take a look later

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Alot of potential if he can decrease the drops, much like Tez Walker. Either of those guys could be big-time players. Order these kids some Focus Factor. :D

Nice Post!

All three are flying a little under the radar.

Baker's interesting!

Found this on him. I like his releases, the fact that he’s a hands catcher, and the aforementioned stats.

10% drop rate is very concerning though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Javon Baker (WR7) <br><br>Consistent with creating separation at all levels of a route. Combination of size and quickness allows him to create yards after the catch. Fluid athlete with excellent short-area quickness. Route-running is spot-on. THREAD⬇️(1/3)<br><br>2024 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFL</a> Draft Prospect <a href="https://t.co/EOP9Xk4jdy">pic.twitter.com/EOP9Xk4jdy</a></p>&mdash; • Colton Edwards • (@cedwardsNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/cedwardsNFL/status/1761246949833936964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Feels like Baker and Polk are being left out of the conversation a bit

Maybe someone offers a 1st for Higgins to the Bengals can move up for a OL prospect and that pushes another Round 1 caliber WR down to #32?

Welp. He’ll be gone in the teens

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After today, I don't see AD or Worthy being there at 32...bleh...

I see we're in the "50 guys are going in the 1st round" stage of the offseason...

I mean....we're talking about guys that were already being talked about as first rounders for the most part, now it's just about placement.

Worthy was a consensus 2nd rounder before the combine, and even after, most have him in that late 1st to early 2nd range.

It's not likely that that both Mitchell and Worthy are gone, and if they are, that likely means an OT falls into our lap.

Wut. Mitchell was always a 1st rd lock. He’s been a first rd player the whole time. He’s just moved up out of our reach

A "1st round lock" that even today, the most plugged in guy in the draft community (Daniel Jeremiah) has going 32nd?

I think it's very likely that he goes in the 1st round? But "lock"?

You do this shit EVERY year man. Every single year.

;)

Daniel Jeremiah doesn’t know shit. Look at this catastrophe of a mock. Levis at 4, Richardson down at 20, Musgrave and Benton in the 1st , Darnell Wright to us at 31.

This was the night before the draft last year LMAO

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...mock-draft-4-0

So we're just going to pretend that Levis going top 5 wasn't the draft community narrative/cosnesnus all the way up until draft day?

LMAO

I guess we can't rely on anybody then. They all "don't know shit".

Oh but that's right, Jordan Schultz is somehow more plugged in than NFLN's leading draft analyst.

Even Schultz's report doesn't say he's a lock.

"Likely cementing himself..."

Like I said, he's very likely going in round 1. That's not the same thing as a "lock".

Just relax with the draft hyperbole for once.

We've been there for 3 weeks, man.

"I don't see X getting to us" has just been the order of things for a bit now. Sadly, it seems to have also infected the 2nd round now. 50 guys going in the 1st, 100 of them going in the 2nd.

Whatev. Draft's deep - we'll have guys worth taking. 1st round is likely to have slightly underwhelming options and the 2nd round will have 5 guys that we all think "Man, how lucky are we that this guy fell to us!"

Conversely guys that aren’t 1st rd talents get over drafted (EJ Manuel, Kenny Pickett, Cole Strange) and guys like Will Levis fall out of the first rd entirely.

Draft is a weird place with weird people. It’s not really surprising when you hear reports of GM’s scared of Mike Vrabel bc he’s a big man and not liking Will Levis bc he was a cocky kid with a big arm and sleeveless shirts made them uncomfortable.

If Harrison, Odunze, Nabers, Thomas, Mitchell and Worthy are all gone by 32 then it's down to Franklin, Coleman, Ladd or Leggett. Or could they be brave and draft a TE like Ja'tavion Sanders and try and get a WR later like Baker, Rice, Pearsall or Walker? If Sanders has the potential to be a Kelce replacement longterm then I say go for it.

So what did they do today?

If 6 WRs go in the first, there will likely be some serious talent dropping that will be mandatory to take. You won't have to reach.

They aren’t reaching for a tight end at 32. If there is a run on WRs then likely an OT falls to us or vice versa. Hopefully we get Morgan or even Guyton at 32. It’s more important to our offense than the #3 WR spot. There will be talent still at 64.

We're not likely to get a quality TE early in the near future. And with us playing lots of 12 and 13 personnel then it wouldn't be a big reach imo.

I agree. Getting a quality tight end should be a priority over WR if one falls to 32. It’s an eventual replacement for Kelce and a good additional receiver in the meantime.

If somehow we could move up enough to get a quality left tackle, that should be our top priority. But unless we get a number one for Sneed, which seems unlikely that isn’t going to happen.

Given how we got brown [and every day I keep thinking this was such a blessing at the price] I think we can leave getting another wide receiver to our second round pick, possibly moving up a little bit if necessary.

why?

TE is not a position where multiple guys go in the first every year.

It's also not a position where the best NFL TE's necessarily are first rounders anyway.

Kelce, Kittle, Gronk-none were first rounders.

I don't know if I'd call Sanders a 'reach', but I don't know that I'd go that high either.

Sanders is 20 years old with tons of potential. Yes many of the great TE's from the past were taken in the mid rounds but in the current climate the very best are going earlier and earlier now. Hokinson, Pitts and Kincaid were taken in the first round. Mcbride, Mayer and Leporta in the second.

KC met with Sanders and it might be the smart play to ensure we get him with the first because I'm not sure he makes it to our second tbh. But I do think a WR or LT will be there for our second.

I'd take Saunders in the first over some of the WR's that might be available.

Killed it at their Pro Day by all accounts...

They killed it at the combine too. It changes nothing.

That's my thinking. Rather get a guy who could potentially replace Kelce longterm than pick a WR just because we're desperate to improve the room.

J’Tavion Sanders is so interesting. He’s a 2nd rd prospect that will probably be there around 55-64. Wouldn’t mind him at all in rd 2.

Fun fact: Sanders 10 yard split, 20 yard split and 20 yard shuttle were all faster than Kelce.

Pretty fluid pass catcher. Could work well here IMO

He had a ton of first round buzz early and now has seemed to fall or at least stagnate while others rise.

The current void at LT makes me a bit on edge…��

Noted that Mel Kiper is predicting WR Xavier Legette to the DET Lions with the #29 pick and WR AD Mitchell to the Chiefs in his latest mock.

I'd have Legette in the 1st too if last season was the only available metric, especially in a normal WR draft.

Good pod here!

PFF WR Rankings Part 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKpsFAurAQ

-Brian Thomas overrated?
-Jermaine Burton 4th best WR, already off some teams' boards?
-Troy Franklin's Gauntlet drill worst ever?
-Is Coleman fast or slow?
-AD Mitchell leave you wanting for more?
-Is R Wilson the #6 or #15 WR in this draft?
-Does Legette's production translate?
-Can Ladd play outside?
-Walker is a great WR but only 68% receiving grade bc of drops?


Pat 2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkmHMg2PQgs

-Thrash a better athlete than his testing?
-Pearsall best offseason so far?
-Polk good but not special?
-Corley a WR or RB?
-Will B Rice JR be on he board for the Bears?
-Steve Smith hates J Wilson?

Noted PFF touts their GAS Metric (Game Athleticism Score) as the best indicator of Pro Production for WRs over the last several years, but can't find it anywhere.

Anyone?

Burton seems like he's on the rise and Coleman is falling a bit.

Is this what you are looking for?

https://www.pff.com/news/pff-announc...-score-pff-gas

"Not available through our consumer subscription..."

Only teams can get access to it.

So...**** right off, PFF.

That's crazy! WTF!?

Most of the metrics they track aren't available on their site with a sub! ...The draft guide is great! Shows a lot of info, full route trees etc... but why isn't that shit on the site!?

Just noticed that! :cuss:

Sorry my man, did not notice that.

Chris Simms Rankings

1. Nabers
2. Thomas Jr
3. Harrison Jr
4. Odunze
5. R Wilson

I wonder if KC has an agreement in principal in place for Donovan Smith that is waiting final structuring dependent on what happens with Sneed.

I went and watched Mitchell again. I saw Sikkema talking about how hes a great route runner. I watched him vs Alabama. I just dont see him as an elite route runner maybe inconsistent. Maybe I took what he said with too much weight. I love the prospect but he just looked inconsistent down in and down out. I'm not nearly as good at this as some of you, help me see what im missing.

I definitely think he executes differently when he knows he's getting the ball. That is coachable. But watch him create separation against the first round corners. Roasted Arnold twice resulting in holding calls. Roasted McKinstry on the goal line touchdown, through I think the safety blew his assignment to provide inside help there.

And on the deep TD, watch him plant the foot to threaten the corner outside, causing the corner to flip his hips. Mitchell then turns on the burners and roasts him inside. He is pretty nuanced, imo, with the use of acceleration just as soon as he gets the corner where he wants him.

People indicate that they don't see his speed on tape. I would agree that he he plays faster when he knows he's getting the ball and that he doesn't try to out race the corners. He likes to kill them by getting them out of position and then creating separation. I think that skill will play more in the NFL and specifically with Patrick.

Just stop with the shitty one game narrative that MM was trying to use. It's ridiculous and lazy. Go look at the bulk of the rest of the games where he couldn't torch #2s that won't get drafted.

He isn't a crisp route runner, he rounds everything. Nuanced, yes. He does vary his speed somewhat to get CBs off guard and I agree that has play. He also doesn't drop balls which is big. He has a long way to go as a route runner and with consistency, let's not sugar-coat that shit "because 'Bama."

Not playing fast on tape isn't a maybe, it's an absolute. It's also not restricted to when he doesn't get the football.

That doesn't mean I think he has no chance to crack the 1st because he does but he has some major warts, which you wouldn't think reading the takes around here.

I think he's capable but just rarely showed it. I was surprised with a few of his block effort wise based on what I had seen when he wasn't getting the ball. He's got first round size and speed and that with the highlights probably get him in the first round, but man he left a lot on the table imo.

Isn't that just the shit you have to eat at 32, though?

I mean without some of those technique/effort issues, is he an appreciably different physical talent to Odunz? I don't know that he is. And that's a top 10 pick.

So if you want that kind of raw talent, you have to take the gamble on the play speed question and hope that through coaching and being challenged, he'll step up to play at a more consistent level.

Or you just draft more floor and take someone like McConkey, no?

I mean I'm going OT in all probability in the first. But if I'm looking at WRs at the back of 1 and he's there, he's probably the best raw talent available and a guy who's physical ability shouldn't be there at 32.

I can get his length and speed in Walker or Leggett in round 2. It's not all about size/speed for me. There's a lot more to talent than that and attitude goes a really long way. He has better hands than Walker. I don't think he separates better though. He's faster than a guy like Polk but does he do anything else better? I don't think so. The list goes on. Do I think he's an "alpha?" No. **** no. He doesn't have an alpha attitude. So yeah, I think you're projecting him significantly on physical traits. That could easily blow up in your face.

I don't think giving my perspective on what I have watched is lazy. Terrion Arnold is a consensus top CB in the draft and Mitchell torched him all game. Of course I am going to focus on those reps. And just because he doesn't "look" fast on tape, doesn't mean he's not - its ****ing relative. We was CLEARLY running away from Terrion Arnold, who runs a 4.5. So in those terms - he plays faster than he looks, and a lot of that is related to acceleration IN GAME and the fact that he gets defenders out of position.

I was a little curious so I even went and looked at PFFs new Game Athleticism Score - and wouldn't you know who Number 2 is on that list?

You have also pitched a fit because of how personal it gets around here; maybe look in the mirror, pal. Just because we disagree doesn't make me lazy and ridiculous. Further, I ain't the only guy who has AD Mitchell as a top 5 WR. Go look around.

Clyde demonstrated the risk of doing this really well for me.

I remember after we drafted him re-watching some of his stuff and saying "Oh man, that dude probably cost Trevon Diggs 15 spots in the draft by just massacring him repeatedly..."

Turns out Diggs is really good afterall. MEH isn't.

Sometimes guys just have bad days. Or they're bad matchups. I don't think it's a completely useless exercise but i do think there's a little less utility to it than I used to.

It isn't just against Alabama - both Kool-Aid and Terrion.
You can see he relishes the one on one mind games in his tape. This is something I distinctly remember Jerry Rice speaking to when he reflected on his career - being patient and exploiting the defender when he bites. He makes good use of trigger steps, dropping his hips and chin while maintaining the balance to accelerate when the defender bites. Clearly, AD Mitchell doesn't have Jerry's feet - but I do think he loves that one-on-one exploitive style. He clearly needs to work on his ability to exploit zone coverage, however, and at the Collegiate level, they run a lot more zone than in the NFL.

To Crow's point, I actually like RD 2 better for WR. Feels like we'd be taking a bit of a risk with the guys at the bottom of RD 1.

To DJ's point, some of the same guys would be considered steals 10-20 pick later so maybe we just need to take one at the end of RD 1 and be happy with it.

I like Franklin, Coleman, Legette, & Burton most.

Will be interesting to see how the league feels abut the WR board.

You picked somebody already picked in the mock. Pick again please!

6.80 reported time. What I clocked it as too.

Very good time

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Point of order:

I don't actually have a point.

I'm not making it personal, I"m telling you it's a lazy ****ing take that has been regurgitated ad nauseum. I can make it ****ing personal for you though if you want.

How many catches did he torch Arnold for in that game? Let's start with your astute analysis of that, then we'll get personal because I have no real ****s to give in life.

Bro have you even watched? Maybe the reason it's regurgitated is because it is both consequential and true. Are you just running around assuming that everyone borrowed the take and can't independently review a game and agree on a conclusion

Sorry brotha! I checked like 3 times and didn't see his name.

Appreciate the supplementary pick, nice choice!

How did we come up with the "3-cone drill? ...it's kind of unique, doesn't exactly mimic any true football play, I get that we're testing agility, twitch, and quickness etc but how did they decide this was they way to do it?

Which teams are most likely to take a WR in Rounds 1 or 2?

Have you? I don't think you have. He beat McKinstry ONCE and he beat Arnold TWICE. One of the plays against Arnold was a penalty where he did beat Arnold handedly. His big-play, deep TD was against TREY AMOS which accounted for 50% of his yardage. He also fumbled in that game.

Tell me again what I do and don't watch. Please.

He beat Arnold for two holds - beat him badly enough that Arnold is hanging on for dear life. His speed plays. Maybe not 4.34 - but fast enough to win in man coverage in the NFL.

Ah yes, the one where Arnold tripped and fell so he grabbed him on his way down. I forgot about that one. Can't really chalk that one up to Adonai torching him. It's a play I think Arnold has to make there.

You're still not going to push an agenda that he "torched" two "first round" CBs all night because that's simply inaccurate. He never torched McKinstry and he might not be a 1st rounder to begin with.

Pushing an agenda? Like what we say on this message board has weight in the decisions being made on draft day? I told you what I liked about AD Mitchell. Disagree? Fine. Want to talk about it to further understanding and get alternative perspectives? Great.

But to come out and say people have lazy and uninformed takes is you building a strawman to beat up when you could be contributing to the conversation in some productive way. I come here to watch some game videos and discuss with people to get excited about various prospects in the draft. Heaven forbid we have prospects we are excited about and want other people to check out so we can broaden our perspectives or maybe even learn something.

Curious what you guys think about T Higgens for pick #32 now that we have ~$30m in Cap Space?

Forget Higgins, Boyd is just as good and doesn't require a trade! Let's sign him!

I've wasted my breath (or fingers) on talking about this kid in two threads about the same thing. My perspective on him is already out there.

It's not going to change. I've said I'd be fine enough with him at 32 if that's the way the Chiefs go but there are plenty of issues there that team has to coach. Those issues, in my opinion, are already out there.

The problem I have is everyone points to 3 plays in one game as what defines him as a player instead of looking at the whole. The whole is nowhere near as impressive and shows a lot of holes in his game. Meanwhile, other much more productive, and skilled players fall under a microscope.

There is an easy attraction to a WR with size, speed, and good hands, I get it, but we shouldn't ignore the flaws and I don't see much acknowledgment of those flaws by anyone strongly in his camp. Hell, I'd settle for someone pointing out something great from a game that isn't the Alabama game because I have yet to read it. I'm strongly in the Troy Franklin camp but I acknowledge that he is not overly quick at release, he has some drop issues at times, and he has a scary slender build.

After all that, I do personally apologize for being a dick. I've had a really bad ****ing day from a personal perspective. It's something I've been dealing with in life for several years now that a select few people are aware of. So, it's not you, really. I do enjoy discussing the viewpoints.

I will also apologize, in re-reading I took offense to the lazy and regurgitated take though it wasn't explicitly directed at me. I value your perspective quite a bit simply because we have diverging views frequently and its good to provide challenge to test our assertions.

I would be happy to talk about weaknesses I have identified in his game - I have probably watched his all game broadcast footage a seven or eight times - don't have access to the all-22 or really care to finagle that.

Overall, I put Mitchell as a plus Z receiver, which does go against the grain a little bit. He wins with routes and can box people out, but avoids contact at all costs and that precludes him as an X for me. He has deep speed and thrives against man coverage. He needs to speed up his game against zone coverage, though he seems to find space readily. The zone games were where I felt he played below his testing speed.

Strengths:
Man-beating corner with size and acceleration. Plays the corners like fiddles, waiting to get them out of position then using his acceleration to completely burn them. Watch the correlation between his indicator steps, the corner reaction, and his subsequent changes in direction and acceleration to create obscene space.
Some examples:
1) holding play against Terrion Arnold
2) first TD against Houston, incompletion with 14:03 left in Q4 v. K State
3) completion with 12:27 left in Q4 v K State
4) comebacker v. Iowa State Q3 6:45
5) v. Iowa State Q4 11:45 (creates 4-5 yards of space and ends up behind the defense, wish the ball would have been better to see him tracking that on the move though.)
6) v Texas Tech Q2 4:25
7) v. OSU Q1 12:58
8) v. OSU Q2 13:45
9) v. OSU Q3 4:45
10) v Washington Q4 10:40


Traits - highly explosive with good height/weight, super fluid hips, and strong hands - few drops though I would have credited him with a couple more than the drop rate statistic.

Excellent body control to make the boundary catches. (See the OU game for an example where Texas was exploiting the boundaries. He has many toe tapping grabs throughout the season.) Excellent body control example is v. Washington Q4 7:30.

Excellent ball tracking. Some examples:
1) TD v. BYU to go up 20-3, First TD v. K State (indicator step>fight through contact>track ball in sequence),
2) Catch w/ 3:24 rem. in Q1 v. K State,
3) Basically every play in Q4 v. K State.
4) Incompletion to start Q2 v. TCU
5) Play to seal the TCU game.

Gets good releases, though I found it hard to find a ton of snaps where he was going against press.

Willing blocker for Xavier Worthy later in the year. This is important with the Chiefs screen game and bunch looks.

QB Scramble drill
1) 13:00 Q2 v. Iowa State

Weaknesses:
Plays slower and with less apparent competitive fire against zone defenses - I am not sure if this is a processing thing, a confidence thing, or a motivational thing (IE Does he need the one-on-one competition to feed his competitive nature) A good example game would include Kansas - actually a very productive game, he has the capability to find soft spots in zones, but tends to just catch the ball, tries to avoid contact and looks way slower.

Lacks a certain physicality - Relies to much on avoiding contact in routes and as a ball carrier rather than using his size and strength to fight through the contact. The result is less YAC than you feel a guy of his size should get. It is apparent throughout his tape and why I think he fits the Z role, if you will, rather than the X role. Prime Examples:
1) v. Iowa State Q2 11:30 - TJ Tampa got him good there.
2) v. Washington Q4 00:01

Doesn't attack the ball as much as I would like - though there are few receivers who do. Some examples:
1) There was a play against OU where I thought he just gave up on a ball that he should have contested to prevent a pick;
2) there was a comebacker against Terrion Arnold where if he gets back to the ball more aggressively, he prevents Arnold from breaking up that pass

Ball security - fumbled a couple of times, but NFL teams will explicitly look to punch the ball out against him.

Compared to last years class, I think he is the first receiver off the Board. This year, I am lower on BTJ than most, so he is WR4 and a significant margin below the big 3.

Ricky Pearsall...4.41 40 and 42-inch vert? gimme

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Man, after I saw "that catch " - I'd have a really hard time not grabbing him at #64. Kid's a dawg. I just don't see any way that kid isn't at least a decent player in the NFL. There are other more exciting prospects, but zero chance Pearsall washes out, barring injury.

he seems like ****ing wes welker on steroids tbh