It's a tough job, but someone's gotta do it.

I ain't hating, btw. He had a nice game. But i see people quick to declare him to be everything they ever said he was going to be....i mean...he didn't show THAT much.

Meh. By the other side of that same token it's a bit lame to try and downplay what was a pretty damn good game just because you argued against the pick back in April.

Gotta love the production of this rookie class so far, and the direction they are trending in.

Meanwhile, Skyy haters would have 50 posts in this thread over the last 2 days if he made a single bad play like a critical drop.

Nah.

We said all week that this is his best opportunity to get some targets and earn some trust.

I just call it how i see it, man.

He answered the bell when called upon. Did exactly what he needed to do. Had some clutch catches. Showed some of the same traits we saw earlier in the season such as strong hands and slippery in his routes.

But "COOKED" Derwin James..."SUPER IMPRESSIVE"....c'mon now.

He really did cook Derwin James, though.

He did.

That was a genuine stand-out play. As was the ball he scooped up as he was sliding (though it bounced off his facemask first; there's a little luck involved there).

But fisting Derwin James like he did is EXACTLY what you brought him in here hoping he could do. And he did it.

Good job, kid.

Now show us it was no accident. Same issue I have with the Frank Clark stuff after every nominally productive game he has.

He had a good game. I wouldn't oversell it or anything - I mean it was still the Kelce show and frankly Watson had two enormous plays in his own right. Guy had, what, 65 yards? Seems a bit early to crown his ass.

But it was a good game. He was the complementary player I hoped he could develop into. Cool. More critically, he had that 'flash' play that I said I wanted to see from him and that's ALWAYS what I've looked for in rookies. Show me traits. I don't care if you go for 105 yards on blown coverages and easy pitches and catches. Show me you have a skill that can lead to big plays in key spots.

He did so.

Derwin James is a hell of a player, one of the best safeties in the league.

But he doesn't have the wheels to run with Skyy. He can't stay with Kelce, for pete's sake. So, I don't know if cooked is the right word, but Derwin never had a chance vs. Skyy on that play.

And you'd have been silent in this thread like you were the last 5 weeks.

1 post in the previous month. 11 in the last 2 days.

Be careful throwing stones here, ace.

I spent literally zero posts saying he was worthless. And in fact spent weeks calling for him to start.

But continue having the argument you want to have. You seem to be enjoying yourself.

Hey 'Maqe - remember who's actually looking to the middle ground

If y'all are just gonna do exactly what I say you're gonna do, it's going to be REALLY boring around here.

Probably the best safety in the league and he did beat him, more than once. Also think he did a little more than just "be where he was supposed to be" as seen on the scramble slide and scoop of that low pass.

I'm not saying the naysayers should crown him, or that the supporters like me will be proven right. But people have said he's a 3rd guy. There won't be loads of R3 WRs beating James, at all.

LMAO This says a lot, unintentionally or not.

Started writing, went away, came back and posted and hadn't seen people had already said all this. Wasn't trying to beat a dead horse so ignore me.

Staylor is a notorious frontrunner lol

I'm happy to see him producing. That's all I wanted from a 2nd round WR.

Similar to how Hardman did early on. Good to see.

Just find it interesting that I get called out for not posting in the thread from the guy who...wasn't posting in the thread.

Hey - if you want to duck out when you don't have something to say - cool. But when you're gonna do that, you should probably not insist that others come in and bark on your command.

I mean - I know this thread wasn't hopping when the kid had, what, 2 catches for 17 yards in the first 3 quarters?

You're so full of shit.

What has there been to discuss that hasn't been said over and over and over the last few weeks?

I know I'm not the only one that found the discussion surrounding Skyy to be a bit harsh and overall exhausting.

But I've been saying from the beginning, I didn't know when his time would come to get a legitimate opportunity, but I knew he would make the haters eat crow when he did.

I wasn't calling you out DJ.

Nah, no crow here. Not yet at least.

He looked like what i imagined he'd look like. A solid contributor albeit nothing spectacular. An Albert Wilson like performance if i've ever seen one.

:rolleyes:

/shrug

I don't know what to tell ya, man. Just being honest with what i saw.

That's probably one of your worst takes ever.

Albert Wilson never once made multiple plays like that on 3rd down, in arguably the biggest game of the year, against guys like Derwin James.

Skyy did it as a rookie in his first legitimate opportunity on the national stage.

It's pretty odd that you are willing to die on this hill, but it will make the receipts all the more better down the line.

Maybe you're just not giving Albert Wilson the credit he deserves?

Albert was a reliable, but unspectacular receiver for the Chiefs. A perennial 300-500 yards a season guy.

Are you implying that this is who Skyy Moore is and will be?

Please say yes.

Albert Wilson Rookie Season: 16 Catches, 260 yards, 16.2 YPC

Skyy Moore (so far): 12 catches, 169 yards, 14.2 YPC

By season's end, their production will have been relatively similar.

Considering the boost he got last week from the absence of JJSS, Hardman and Toney, it's hard to imagine he'll be able to maintain Sunday's production.

Prior to Sunday's production he had 7 catches for 106 yards on the season.

Ok so Skyy Moore is Albert Wilson.

Got it.

Bookmarked for down the road. Thanks.

I'm implying that they're more similar than anyone cares to admit.

He's the best Chiefs-only comparison that we have.

No, i'm not gonna sit here and say Albert Wilson is his ceiling. That would be a bet against Mahomes and Reid and i ain't taking that bet.

Albert Wilson had a 7 year career in the NFL. /shrug

His rookie season has been much closer to Albert Wilson than any other rookie WR i can remember.

Certainly nothing like Hardman or Tyreek.

Skyys ceiling is obviously higher than Wilsons

But yeah, that was a Wilson-like game

And I'm fine with that for now

This can't be said enough, especially the DBs on defense.

This class is going to be something special in a couple of seasons.

I think it was literally Skyy's first game where he was targeted more than 3 times. Okay, maybe 4.

He caught 80% of his passes, including three big third down receptions (according to the commentators, don't shoot the messenger if I got that wrong:p).

He's doing fine when he's given a legit shot.

Everything Albert Wilson did was maximizing his talent. Skyy is just scratching the surface on his.

If you can't see the difference with the eye test then your eyes aren't seasoned enough and you, should, I dunno, grind film or something instead of posting.

So you hope.

Telling someone to go watch film when my projections about Skyy have more or less been accurate in comparison to his supporters is an interesting take i guess.

Again:

It's a lazy, just look at the box score, take.

As if you would remember any critical catches Albert Wilson may have made and against whom 5+ years ago.

And no, my thoughts have nothing to do with box scores. It just so happens the stats back up my opinion.

Here's a stat you didn't know before making that post: 12 of Albert Wilson's 16 catches that year went for 1st downs. 75% of his catches went for a 1st down.

You sure about that statement you made? Cuz you shouldn't be.

Wilson had one game with Patrick Mahomes and went off for 150 yards. Let's not sit here and say Moore's 65 yard game where he was silent for three quarters is just an obvious step above that. It wasn't.

Again, y'all are acting like he dominated out there. He didn't.

He had a nice game (nice quarter really) - take the W.

The rest is overplaying your hand something awful.

Context matters.

Never said he did, but Albert ****ing Wilson never came up that big in a game like that agaisnt a guy like Derwin James.

Can we at least agree on that simple fact?

When you choose a side on a particular issue, you’re incessant in pushing that view. Post after post.

We sign Toney, he has a good game, and what’s one of your main takeaways in the Toney thread? How it’s proof that Moore isn’t good and has already been surpassed by a guy who could comprehend the playbook in a week.

Over and over again. This is what you do. Support a narrative almost like it’s your personal jihad.

Mahomes might have a kid and could miss time? Let’s bring up Frank Clark’s experience in the Mahomes thread when he missed practice.

It’s like you sometimes become a more articulate Russian bot.

So yeah, dude, a lot of people haven’t been saying Skyy is the second coming of Jesus Christ but have been saying that it’s early and entirely too soon to judge a rookie.

So you can quote your post that allows for the widest landing strip in terms of what he’s capable of and pretend like that’s the vibe you’ve put out there on him. But I suspect most people here can see through that.

Let's see Skyy repeat that performance and have some consistency in his game. If he is as good as some believe, a so called WR2, he should get more snaps than MVS.

Some of ya'll are taking my Albert Wilson comparison like it's some sort of diss.

Maybe you just need need to give more credit to Albert Wilson, as ive been saying?

Wilson was a good complimentary role player who was a dependable target when thrown at, and who made the most of his opportunities. He parlayed that into a 7 year career. He was a quicker, smaller guy who did good work underneath, had the speed to go over the top and Andy really liked him.

He wasn't a mismatch problem. He wasn't a guy that made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Nothing particularly exciting, but he made plays when his number was called.

Certainly not the biggest game of the year.

And it was 1 freakin' play against Derwin on a 3rd and 7 in which he ran a simple slant that went for what, 15 yards?. Jeez.

Skyy could have a similar type of role as Albert Wilson did. He’s actually very similar in size and speed.

Imagine if Wilson had better hands instead of consistently alligator arming the ball? Imagine if he could run routes and exploit the middle of the field?

That’s Skyy

Road game against our biggest threat in the divison to virtually seal the divison?

That was the biggest game of our regular season assuming we take care of business the rest of the way.

Even DJ is willing to give his props for that play agaisnt James, so you're just entering a different level of hater today.

No. No we can't.

Because you're overstating how "big" that game was (wasn't really big at all) and you have NO IDEA who Albert Wilson beat and when on his 12 1st down catches.

Skyy has better hands, a more natural catcher. He's a hair bigger. But he doesn't have Wilson's speed.

But they absolutely have a similar role.

I don't think Skyy is comparable to MVS. For one thing, and maybe the most important one, MVAS is physically a much different player than Skyy, at 5' 10" and 195lbs. MVS is 6' 4" and 210 lbs.

that's textbook apples and oranges.


MVS is a tall, big, long WR, like a Chase Claypool, while Skyy is a smaller, but quicker WR, maybe best suited for a slot role similar to Edelman/Welker/Renfrow, etc.

Skyy's most similar player on the Chiefs is probably Hardman.

Oh I know YOU can't. We've already established that you're just going to continue to be completely unreasonable.

Dj is just trying to play nice. There was nothing particularly special about that play.

And if we lose that game we still have a firm grip of the division. The only difference is maybe we clinch a week or two later.

There was nothing big about Sunday night's game in the grand scheme of things.

Skyy Moore 40: 4.41

Albert Wilson 40: 4.43

Lol wow.

You're going above and beyond to literally downplay everything.

What a ****ing joke.

And yea, DJ is just "playing nice", now you can speak for other people to downplay too.

Everyone is still arguing from an obvious place of confirmation bias.

Here’s a key point….EVERYTHING Skyy did Sunday is sustainable skill set production that was on display.

He got open immediately off the line against an elite defender showcasing his elite split.
He made hands catches (except for the catch going to the ground, that he brought in) showcasing his huge hands.
He showed the ability to make catches in traffic.

Most importantly, he earned Pats trust as Pat consistently looked for him in crucial situations later in the game.

I said it before this game and I’ll say it again. I think this was a game that provided Skyy the opportunity to earn Pats trust and once he does, Pat will go to him from this point forward with confidence.

If we are to compare him to anyone, going forward…it needs to be Welker or Edelman.

Those are his true comps at this level.

I think i'm being very reasonable. I'm just not fawning over that performance like he's the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice. It was a good game for him. Nothing special. Nothing that makes you go, "Oh damn, he's unguardable". The Rams won't be looking at that tape and going, 'Oh damn, Skyy Moore is gonna be a matchup problem for us".

Had there not been such an over reaction to his performance i likely wouldn't even be in this thread right now.

Like i said, he had a nice complimentary game and i hope he can continue to be reliable when given the chance.

Strawman BS.

I’ll say this, if his upper body injuries didn’t cause him to “alligator arm” most deep passes, he may have been able to be more than he ended up being.

That said, Skyy is a lot more talented than him. Especially right off the line and making the catch.

Dude...if the Chiefs lose....they'd still be 1st place in the division. I mean...there really wasn't much riding on that game.

And DJ's posts speak for themselves. Gonna have to read between the lines on that one.

DJ and I have been getting strawman'd to death in this thread the last few weeks, so no sympathy on that one.

I don’t that’s completely unreasonable from your POV.

Some of us are just shocked you and DJ can’t see something that most respected people that have watched football as more than a casual an can see.

That Skyy Moores skill set fits this offense perfectly and Sunday was our first real taste of him getting an opportunity to showcase those skills.

Using a 65 yard game as an I told you so game is so weird.

He had a good game. Don't blow it out of proportion or act like people were wrong when they said the previous 9 weeks were underwhelming.

People really don't understand grading a player game by game and that just because you say a player is underwhelming up to a certain point, that doesn't mean that you think he'll suck forever.

They've never said that his skill set doesn't fit this offense. Just that expectations for him were overblown and for 9 weeks he wasn't meeting even the minimum level of those expectations.

Agreed with you till the last sentence. Nothing like Hardman. There is no one on the roster comparable to Skyy and the last, most recent one would be Wilson.

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If we are narrowing the search for comp to Chiefs only players, I’m not sure there’s been one. Wilson may be the closest.

Overall, it’s Edelman/Welker.

I don't recall them saying he didn't fit. They did say he was over drafted. They did say he had not lived up to expectations thus far for a 2nd round pick. No one even said he didn't have a good game. I think they're just saying that him getting 65 yards doesn't mean he wasn't disappointing prior to that game. Honestly, I think we can all agree that this game wasn't anything "extra" he kind of should have done this weeks ago. But if he's turned the corner and this is repeatable and reproduceable that's fantastic.

Sure, the Edleman/Welker comp is the golden standard for smaller, shifty slot receivers. And that's what we all hope for.

But he could also just be an Elijah Moore. His skillset really isn't all that unique. It's not like we've never seen this kind of player before.

He has a tall hill to climb to be a Edleman/Welker. He could easily end up being an Elijah Moore or Andy Isabella. Luckily he has Reid and Mahomes to help.

The only "I told you so" people are doing is "I told you he will eventually get an opportunity this season, and when he does he'll be that guy that many of us seen on tape and the preseason/TC."

Also, like I said, it's just lazy box score to focus on "65 yard game". Look at those tweets from Matt Lane breaking it all down. It far more impressive than the box score, and they left quite a bit of meat on the bone.

If the protection is better on those 2 deep routes, he probably gets over 100.

What you don't seem to understand is that I'm fully aware that this was just 1 game. I'm not any more/less confident than I was before about him. I've had zero doubt that he will be a really good player for us from day 1. This game really didn't change anything for me, except for finally not having to hear all the negative bullshit about him.

Meant Skyy is more of the same stature, and to a certain extent, what Andy would like to use him for in the offense. Probably not jet sweeps, for example, but some of the slot stuff certainly. Skyy is shiftier than Hardman, and he's starting off as a much better route runner, but Mecole has a big edge in just pure speed.

Wilson as a comp is fine, for me anyway. I think Skyy probably is better in some areas, but right now who cares?

There's always more meat on the bones, fellas.

Every WR gets missed when he's open. Every QB has drops.

It's a silly analysis that really doesn't mean much.

He’s flashed potential all year. His first catch in Arizona went for 30 yards. Had 2 in Tampa for a total of 31 yards (15.5 avg). Had one against Buffalo for 24 yards.

He ****ed up a route 1 time in SF and people really piled on him due to Toub stupidly putting him as the returner, which again he never did in college.

If anything this game has the hope that he has gained trust from Patrick.

He should get more snaps if he keeps playing like this. He was a problem for the Chargers and has the capability to be that for opponents moving forward.

Its absolutely not, Wilson had some clutch plays in games like sunday too

You seem to think saying thats some slam, its actually anything but... if Skyy can give us prime Wilson as a rookie, sign me up

Skyy Moore gets open with ease and catches with his giant hands.


There you go, two things Albert Wilson doesn't have.

LMAO I knew that would strike a chord with you.

You are def a bit of a front runner but I don't care much about this Skyy debate either way. It's so early in his career, neither side has much of an argument.

This last game didn't move the meter much either. Anyone beating their chest over a receiver going for 60 yards when we were out our top #1, #3 and #4 WRs with Patrick Mahomes in the midst of an MVP season throwing to him is a little too juiced up, just the same as a guy saying he's a bust 9 games into his career.

Isabella?? That dude had 189 yards his rookie year, 88 of which on 1 grab.

Skyy has 169 already.

He doesn’t seem likely to bust, especially after his confidence game.

Exactly. He’s a rookie with a bunch of veterans in front of him. He doesn’t have an elite skill like Reek that forced Andy to get him on the field. Doesn’t mean he won’t be a great player for us as he grows in the offense.

If Skyy ends up having Albert Wilson’s chemistry with Mahomes and Skyy has better hands than Wilson, it’s a huge win for the Chiefs. Good chemistry with QB and good hands? Yes please!

Watching him at the game and there were a couple plays where he didn’t know where to line up and seemed out of sorts — but for the majority of his snaps he was open af. It was encouraging to see.

Given likely minimal reps with the 1s until last week, he’s doing great.

Sticky hands, body control, and plus route running.

There’s a reason he was open by 5 yards at one point in the season.

Dude, you've become overly critical and pessimistic. Sometimes a team really is this good. Give it up, it's not worth debating anymore. Like Virus said, people on both sides are just digging in, nobody is going to change their mind at this point.

Comparing him to Andy Isabella is the definition of thinking he'll suck forever. It was stupid take on Detoxing's part.

One extreme to the other is the point of that. Not saying he IS Andy Isabella. You can say he's Welker/Edelman (potential HOF's), but then there's the opposite of that, such as Isabella.