He is just waiting for someone ANYONE to explain why Mizzou would leave the conference.

That is all.

SEC's stability beckons Mizzou

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/02...ns-mizzou.html

In each of the last two years, the Big 12 has cheated death, but survival has come with pain and scars.

Three schools and counting are gone. So is a commissioner. Still, the Big 12 lives, without the conviction of other conferences, but the heart beats just the same. And the pulse figures to quicken this week with news on two fronts.

Missouri and expansion.

A decision for the ages may await the Tigers. Interest from the Southeastern Conference appears real, and the school’s Board of Curators’ meeting on Tuesday will address the issue.

That may be all they do, according to a Big 12 official. “My guess is they will do what Texas A&M did, what Oklahoma and Texas did when their boards met and give (Chancellor) Brady Deaton the authority to deal with the issue,” the official said. “I’d be very surprised if what came out of the meeting was news that Missouri made application and was accepted an offer from the SEC.”

If that’s the case, there would be more time to further consider a move — yes, everybody has realignment fatigue, but a possible decision this important shouldn’t be fast-tracked — or to have the Big 12 meet the concerns of Missouri.

But even if some Big 12 schools give or bend on issues — displeasure with high school content on Texas’ Longhorn Network remains a hot-button topic — would it be enough? Perhaps not.

The SEC, like the Big Ten and Pac-12, offers the kind of long-term athletic financial security that only exists in conferences that understand the greater good is achieved through an equal partnership approach.

The Pac-12 came to this notion late, but it’s there now, and it’s a reason why Texas and its network weren’t welcome.

The Big 12 is working toward this approach, and an announcement on equal revenue sharing of its largest TV contract income could come soon.

But twice having been driven to the brink of collapse, the Big 12 cannot assure long-term guarantees, no matter how many years of television rights are signed over to the conference.

Stability becomes the overriding factor, and the last people who could point a finger at Missouri are from Texas and Oklahoma, who only two weeks ago had saddled up for the ride out of the Big 12.

Other factors in such a monumental decision deserve discussion around the curators’ table. Goodness knows, the fans have flushed them out for weeks, and there are many reasons to oppose a move.

Joining the SEC ends the possibility of becoming a member of the group Missouri has long coveted, the Big Ten. The school has inquired several times over the years to different commissioners about membership. If college sports become super-sized as some project, perhaps the Big Ten reopens the expansion file.

But the SEC is a death-do-us-part commitment. No more dreamy-eyed looks at a region and school grouping that’s a better fit.

Competitively, the Big 12 offers the better home. Although Missouri has the fewest conference regular-season and postseason championships among Big 12 schools, several sports compete nationally.

And football would be fine. The SEC is the nation’s most ferocious conference — we all know that. But by most measures, the Big 12 has been the second best, and no worse than third, for most of its existence.

The football staff, however, would live in a new recruiting world, less in Texas, which has been so good to the Tigers, and more in the Southeast. Not to say Mizzou couldn’t pull it off, but as one recruiting analyst told me, the Missouri staff is as well-connected there as anybody outside the Lone Star State.

The two games in Texas have become a major selling point. The staff would need to come up with new sweet-talking lines.

Finally, for Missouri, there’s the Kansas City factor. With the basketball tournament and Border War game with Kansas at Arrowhead, we could be affected by a conference switch more profoundly than any other region in the state.

But that would be our tough luck. Missouri, if faced with a decision, has to act in the best interest of the school.

Whatever Mizzou’s future holds, the Big 12 seems determined to replenish. Rumors ran rampant last week that Brigham Young and the conference had come to an agreement, a story denied by both sides.

But BYU remains a favorite, a school that at some point in the last month, when it was becoming apparent Texas A&M would leave for the SEC, was seen as a schedule filler for the Aggies. Just plug the A&M holes on everybody’s schedule next year with BYU. It might not have been that easy, but perhaps a starting point.

If Mizzou also leaves, the Big 12 will need to move aggressively. Boise State would love to become a member, and although Big East presidents said Sunday that they would “aggressively pursue discussions” with expansion targets and change bylaws to make fleeing more difficult, no deterrent has prevented a move yet.

Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas is expected to make public comments today, and he’s as pro-Big 12 for Mizzou as it gets. Who knows where the story goes? Wherever it does, we’re in for at least another week of realignment competing for attention with great matchups like Saturday’s Missouri-Kansas State and Oklahoma-Texas games.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/02...#ixzz1Zh09QK6E

I'm not a Mizzou fan at all, but there is no way if the SEC wants you that you should turn them down.

If they decide to stay in the Big 12 the people running the show there are stupider than the idiots running the Royals.

I agree, if they stay and an SEC offer was on the table, Deaton, Alden, and the whole board of curators should be fired immediately.

Jesus HH, what is the point of you shitting all over this thread? Anyone with a functioning brain understands the allure of the SEC. It is the premier athletic conference in the country with unprecedented revenue upside. Continuing to play devil's advocate in this thread just makes you look clueless and devalues your opinion.

I think a lot of the things you've said make more sense than many of my fellow Mizzou fans do, but this is a nonsensical argument.

Please refrain from posting in this thread. You have violated the "basketball" rule one too many times, plus you are so far away from reality you add nothing to the conversation.

No offense, but MU demanding anything is laughable. I'd like them to stay in the conference but their demands should only be met if reasonable.

Agree, but what is a reasonable demand? I'm not sure. I think Mizzou wants major concessions on LHN and I don't see that happening, so I think the rest of this is just fluff. Mizzou is going to have to show its hand soon.

Mizzou is probably going "Hey, let's ask for *insert outrageous concession*, if they go for it - we'll stay. If they don't, we'll be able to say Texas didn't meet our demands and we can leave with a clear conscience."

My money is on: Missouri asked for a *reach concession* and if it is rejected they'll stay anyway as long as a a little movement in the direction of the concession is achieved to allow Missouri to save face.

Whatever demands they're making are most likely demands K-State would like to be making if only they had the leverage to do so. Mizzou doesn't have a ton of leverage, but they have some. Mizzou's retention is attractive to Texas for the same reasons Mizzou's acquisition would be to the SEC.

MWC revenue vs SEC revenue?

MU has to go to the SEC

Must suck to have no leverage huh?

Great news!

Scared Beaker - nothing more, nothing less.

They really out themselves quickly, don't they?

My guess would be that every single 'demand' they make would be one that K-State or KU would make as well if they had the capital to make them.

It's not like they're going to demand to be allowed to play all conference games at home or to get Nebraska's % cut of the revenue. They're essentially going to demand stuff that would make us more in line w/ the B1G and hopefully address the LHN.

You fellas should probably be rooting for them at this point.

EDIT:

This

Missouri has the two largest media markets in the conference footprint outside of the state of Texas. Mizzou has a lot of leverage.

K-State or KU demanding anything would also be laughable.

Missouri "has the two largest media markets" just as much as Illinois has a stranglehold on Chicago, or Rutgers does with New York City.

Don't lump us all in with HH.

this....

uh oh, do I detect dissension in the ranks?

Missouri has 6 million residents and 1 major university. Its not a Rutgers situation. People who live in Overland Park seem to think that KC is a Jayhawks town, but it isn't.

I took my kid to Worlds of Fun yesterday, and close to 10% of the people there were wearing Tigers gear. I might have seen two or three each of Jayhawks, Wildcats, and Huskers. I'll bet I saw over 100 people in Mizzou gear.

Well that would sum up why you saw alot of MU gear...

LMAO

I'm sorry, and I don't quite know why, but that struck me as a funny validation example.

Who the hell goes to WOF on an NFL sunday? Let alone uses WOF to validate a team affliation and fandom...

If that's what you saw at Worlds of Fun, then it must be true. :D

The KC Star thinks Kansas City is a KU town. They also prove that K-State fans are younger, richer, better looking, and less bandwagon-y than both fanbases.

http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/v...d/6082359a.jpg

idk man

Ride some roller coasters or watch MattCasselScrambleCam.......hmmm

ROFL

Good Ol Saul...

Well there is something called NFL Sunday Ticket...

There were a shit ton of good games on yesterday.

Had Chiefs on one TV, Game Mix on one and Redzone on another. Plus some good food and drinks.

Yeah that beat any roller coaster ride full of MU alumni on a Sunday afternoon.

I know its a random example, but I live on JoCo, and 60% of the. College gear I see here is KU gear. It's striking to me that the gear 5 miles East of state line is 90% Mizzou.

My point is that its easy to think that KC is a KU town when you live west of state line. The truth is that the bulk of the population is east of state line, and thise people are overwhelmingly Mizzou fans.

The Big 12 Conference Board of Directors announced adoption of a position to equally distribute all conference related distributable revenue to include Tier I and II football television, men's basketball television and NCAA men's basketball tournament revenues. This action becomes effective after each member institution commits a grant of rights to the Conference for its Tier I and II television rights for at least six years.

It is recognized by the Board that each member is directed by institutional policy relative to pursuing its grant of rights and that process will commence expeditiously at the institutional level.

The Board is encouraged by the number of institutions indicating interest in the Big 12, which reflects positively on the standing of the Conference within intercollegiate athletics. The Board also looks forward to considering the recommendation of the expansion committee regarding future membership options.

I live in the Northland. I see as much Nebraska gear as I see KU gear. Mizzou is by far the most prevalent as far as I can tell (although I don't hang out at gay bars, hog lots or tanning spas).

See, that's very odd.

CoMo has sworn to us all that he sees about 20% KU gear in Columbia so surely you're full of shit.

The Missouri Compromise:

boom, roasted

Kristi Dosh w/BusinessofCollegeSports.com & @sportsbizmiss says the Big East is more stable than the Big 12. She believes Missouri would be crazy to stay in the Big 12 over the SEC. She fully expects MU to join the SEC. Deaton's resignation is absolutely the signal she thought would happen before MU joined the SEC.

Isn't Tier III the issue, though?

Opinion from Big 10 area lawyer:

"...so if Mizzou effectively turned down an invite to the stable and wealthy SEC in favor of staying in the Big 12 prison (which I would personally characterize as the dumbest business decision in the history of college sports if that's the case), I'd expect a whole lot of pitchforks in Columbia."

I sharpened the point on my shovel - that'll have to do.

I am not sure whats worse, the fact that you listen to CoMo and take it as gospel. Or the simple fact that you listen to CoMo at all...

Seriously, think about this for a moment....

I believe you have missed the sarcasm in my post.

As a current Columbia resident and former resident of the aforementioned Northland, I'm using my own experience combined w/ CoMo's, uh, reputation for veracity, to agree with Pat in a backhanded manner.

I thought about typing 'this' and decided against it.

Yes I missed it.

apologize....

Well, you've got one thing going for you. This is as about as accurate as a fan measurement as that study that was based on google searches.

NATIONAL PRESENCE!!!111

Tell me which conference shares Tier 3.

Technically the B1G does, no?

My understanding is that they not allowed to negotiate their Tier III rights outside of the B1G Network.

The SEC is contemplating a similar setup.

But ultimately the Tier III rights are somewhat irrelevant. They're a drop in the bucket for most schools and when it gets right down to it, the only schools that make a lot in tier III revenue have virtually limitless revenue streams anyway (i.e. Texas). Tier III rights aren't worth detonating anything over.

The LHN could possibly be much ado about nothing. But then again, so was Poland in 1939, so there's that.

I just don't know what kind of 'concessions' could be granted to satisfy me here. The XII is just too top-heavy and too dependent on 2 teams that have shown a willingness to burn everyone if its in their own best interests.

But the fact that we know UT and OU have a bit of a wandering eye at this point and the entire XII will collapse if they leave is enough for me to want out.

All right, I'll refrain from commenting any further until the resolution comes forth. I'll just say in leaving that my position has been grossly distorted. It started out with my position that Texas would never give up their LHN and 3rd Tier rights and that the LHN itself, with the NCAA restrictions in play, does not represent an unfair recruiting advantage. It got turned into that I somehow said the Big XII is just as good as the SEC and Mizzou would be crazy for leaving it.

I did say that I thought Mizzou would be better off in the Big XII and that the stability reasoning won't seem as comforting once they are actually there and the conference can use Missouri's TV markets to make everyone richer, sans sacrificing traditional rivalries, a less taxing competition schedule and lower conference academic profile, but that the stability and increased payout may in your minds offset that for Missouri fans.

I have also said that I want MU to stay but I would understand if they left and it wasn't until after much tooth pulling that most of the people decided a general "stability" answer was the reason they were wanting to leave and that the LHN was the cause of the instability. Apparently pointing out that all the member institutions had agreed to this structure in the past didn't prepare them for the shock of what Texas could realize in the venture and now they want to go back on it. As we all know, UT had even originally invited A&M which refused them. So, if the LHN is the cause of all the instability, it is only because everyone else said "yes" to this plan originally.

My position has and will continue to be that the obsession with Texas (whether from the UT perspective or others complaining about it) is the real problem. A lack of leadership from Texas for the conference and a lack of vision by other institutions that comprise it are what cause the "instability".

What I think the real issue is, if I may be so bold, is that from the Mizzou perspective, they don't believe Texas will ever adopt the position of the conference leader because it ignores it to favor the "do what is best for Texas". To me, that is the problem. The LHN is just the physical embodiment of that sentiment. Can and will Texas take more of a conference leadership role even with the LHN in place? If MU answers that question in the negative, and they actually have a spot in the SEC, then they will go.

But, that is a two way street. Can the other conference members accept any future action by Texas as being a leader in the conference if the LHN is still up and running? In other words, everyone voted for this type of structure, Texas is the one that really ran with it. If Texas claims they will do what is best for the conference after the fact it is in place, will anyone believe them? Stability is born of trust and cooperation, but that has to be a two way street and the focus must be put there.

Mizzou's Homegaming game against ISU will be televised, well, nowhere. Gotta love this conference.

Incidentally, this is the 100th Homecoming by the school that invented Homecoming.

Interesting response back from a Mizzou Curator this morning.

@BlairKerkhoff
Blair Kerkhoff
MU Chancellor Brady Deaton recused himself from part of Big12prez teleconf on Sunday on advice from MU counsel.

http://twitter.com/#!/BlairKerkhoff/...02475258667008

@BlairKerkhoff
Blair Kerkhoff
Big 12 still doesn't know if it wants to stand at 9, 10 or 12 members, Neinas said. Neinas said that is unresolved.

Are you sure it won't be televised on FOXSports?
OSU@ Texas is in the 3:30 ABC slot
Baylor @ A&M is also scheduled for 3:30
KSU @ Tech and OU @ KU are the other games that week. I'm not saying it WILL, but none of the three have a kickoff time set yet that I can see.

You didn't invent Homecoming. Several schools lay claim to this earlier than MU's claim, including Illinois and Baylor.

AAAAAND WE'RE BACK!

http://www.umsystem.edu/ums/news/pub..._public_notice

4:00pm Executive Session will be where the conference realignment discussion takes place.

And now the long wait begins.

KSU/Tech got the 6:00 FSN timeslot. OU@KU got ESPN2. Baylor/A&M gets FX.

Mizzou/ISU not televised. (maybe on PPV)

No more comments, just saw an article on 3rd Tier I thought was interesting and you might too:

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2...sting-revenue/

Big 12

University of Kansas $7,276,988.00
Oklahoma State University $6,395,000.00
University of Nebraska $4,393,529.00
University of Missouri $4,081,549.00
Kansas State University $3,263,941.00
Iowa State University $2,608,896.00
University of Texas $338,171.00
University of Oklahoma $317,361.00
University of Colorado $155,528.00
Texas Tech University $0.00
Texas A&M University $0.00
Baylor N/A

that's a result of the play on the field, not the conference.

Whatever you do, don't Google "what school invented homecoming".

From PowerMizzou.com:

Baylors event in 1909 would predate Missouri by two years. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it's been argued for a long while over who established it.

This week will be our third road game against a ranked oppenent in our last four games. And we're favored.

Dave Matter:
"Thunderous applause at today's @TigerQBClub luncheon in Columbia at the mention of joining the SEC. These fans are not divided."

Less than two weeks after Missouri's inaugural homecoming game, the school's newspaper, the University Missourian, acknowledged in its December 4, 1911 edition that Illinois, as well as other schools had preceded Mizzou. "The fall home-coming idea originated by Illinois last year is being taken up by several other universities. Indiana held hers at the Purdue-Indiana game. Wisconsin celebrated at the Wisconsin game and Missouri welcomed her 'old grads' back at the Missouri-Kansas game."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homecoming

Wow - Neinas sounds like a bit of a tottering old jackass, doesn't he?

"I don't think Deaton was ever the chairman...though I could be wrong"

****in' eh, man. You just took over a conference who's primary problem right now has been expansion and you don't know who the chair of the expansion committee was? I thought he was just playing a semantics game earlier - evidently he's just senile.

Yeah - let's get the hell out of dodge.

MU and ISU are both 2-2 right? O-2 in conference?

No and no

Yes and no.

Since Oklahoma is Daddy #2, that game should really count for two losses.

sorry, MU is 2-2 (0-1) and ISU is 3-1 (0-1). Hold me back, gonna be some great football!

Man - get one major win in the fightin' Eko's and suddenly they get pretty damn uppity.

See you on Saturday.

LMAO. Can't stop the Cats! Talk shit on these lesser programs!

Papa Snyder's put some serious wind in their sails, hasn't he?

Saucy.

Palpable bravado. Manhattan is an intimidating place, which is why KU can't shake the purple.