Wowowow, Bas what????

I thought we we were cool Shogun?!?!? :eek:

Dude he got destroyed by a guy he shouldn't have even been in the ring with. I think it became apparent to Brock that he didn't belong in MMA. He should have lost the Carwin fight, got his ass destroyed in his last two fights. It had nothing to do with his health, it has to do with the fact that he's been destroyed and humbled three times in a row. He was never a fighter. The guy turtles up like a bitch every time he's been hit. You were only watching MMA because you're a WWE fan. That's sad. About as sad as the fact that people were voting thinking Lesnar had a chance against Reem.

Cash cow? UFC was exploding far before Lesnar got there. It will only continue to grow.

Guess you'll have to find some new nuts to ride on.

Reem vs JDS is going to be the REAL fight everyone wants to see. Not some Brock Lesnar bullshit.

Neither guy will shoot, so we're going to see two HW's stand and go toe to toe. I don't think that JDS can stand and trade with Reem, personally.

bas says a lot of stupid and contradictory shit, hes hard to listen to as an announcer thats all lol

NOW ITS DREAM TIME, IVE BEEN WAITING ALL YEAR

That disease and the stomach surgeries had a bit to do with it. I dont think Brock was all that great or anything, but he had to be a little soft in the midsection.

I was conned into watching that PPV tonight...

holy shit, it was awful

how do people like that shit?

and the main event? My god. Awful.

3 ****ing fights were less than a minute...one of them the dude went down after taking one pussy ass hit...

How is that worth paying for? How are people entertained? I don't ****ing get it.

fake wrestling is way more entertaining than UFC

I'd rather watch a Monday Night Raw any day of the week over 3 hours of that stupid ass shit...

yeah yeah, they are all badasses and everything but the fights are ****ing boring

shit

boxing > UFC

and I think boxing is boring as shit

How much fighting have you ever watched?

It was a liver shot. Bas made a living off of finishing guys with that kick. Liver shots have finished lots of fights.

Please educate yourself before you write such things.

Now you must suffa...

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Which is why you're a fan of fake fighting.

yeah, it's good for a laugh

I sat on my phone and played on tapatalk all night so my friends wouldn't watch me yawn the entire time

the only cool part is the build up...but as soon as the fight starts it's either lamer than shit or someone knocks someone out in 10 seconds

can't believe UFC has caught on so much

So then why post at all in here? Just bored and in troll mode?

because I watched the entire PPV

Just wish I knew why people liked it so much...a ton of my friends love it.

I just don't get it I guess.

acquired taste i guess

im the same way with wwe, no idea how anybody could watch that garbage

I fast forward a lot but I watch around half and am entertained...you know, for a Monday after football.

anywhere I can see the lesnar fight?

Way to go salame, you killed the thread.

It's suck brock lost but then he didn't use his reach and quickness to his advantage. Well i'm hoping to see silva again and hoping maybe dana can get fedor in there.

I want to see him get destroyed
for free

Just kick your friend in the liver and see if he dies and you'll have it live

So yeah, your trolling. Anyways, if its not your thing its not your thing. I get told alot why do i like football so much or basketball. Same shit.

Ubreem barely had to do anything. Brock was completely out of it tonight.

It wasn't a very good PPV IMO. Give a few more a try before passing judgement.

Brock ended up being exactly what some of us said he was
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Probably, but he never really looked like the same guy that beat Frank Mir to a pulp once he was hurt by Carwin. I just don't think he had it mentally.

Well I don't get the Wrestling. Sure I liked it when I was 12. But as an adult that shit is straight reeruned.

He didn't look the same because it hit him that other guys could beat his ass. Confidence is a hell of a drug. Once Brock realized "holy shit these guys hit hard!" I honestly believe he got scared.

He's not a tough guy. Nor does he have the skill set to be in a ring with these guys. I mean really, think about it. He was fighting a K-1 champ last night. Does that even make any sense? Some 1 dimensional wrestler who can't take a punch is standing in the ring with a K-1 champion who is even bigger than him? What'd we expect to happen?

And Jason is right. Brock was exactly what some of us said he was. Nothing more than a 1 trick pony. It didn't take long to expose him for what he was. I just never expected him to be the pussy that he is. It was also funny watching Reem throw him around in the clinch like a child. Good stuff.

Career ended with a liver shot. ****ing awesome.

post fight lesnar said he had a broken rib.

either way i dont think his heart was really in it. something changed, and his retirement had a lot to do with his family, mostly Sable and his new daughter. He said a long time ago that he was in this to get paid, and that's what he did....he made a good amount of money for this short stint in the UFC. It's disappointing, but it is what it is...

He didn't need the money. The guy has 10's of millions. That's BS.

And that was a liver shot. If it broke his rib too, so be it. Either way, the guy was a joke as an MMA fighter. Had he continued to fight his record would have spiraled down. He never belonged in UFC.

Even though he still won that fight I think Shane Carwin was his "Buster Douglas". Not comparing the level of fighters Mike Tyson and Brock Lesnar are/were in anyway, but I think the same thing happened mentally to both guys once they realized they were not invincible.

Exactly what I'm getting at. Yup. Once Brock realized that he could get his ass beat, he lost that edge. When you realize your own mortality, like he did after that Carwin fight, it takes something out of you. But the truth is, like a lot of us said, Brock should have never been fighting in the first place.

What used to happen in UFC, for a while, is that wrestling was the ideal back ground. But now, guys take down defense has become so good, that it's starting to evolve. Premier strikers are the guys rising to the top, because all they have to do is stuff a shoot, and force a wrestler to stand. So if the wrestler doesn't have very good stand up, he's pretty much ****ed at that point.

The great thing about MMA is that it will continue to evolve. These 12 year old kids who are learning MMA now are going to transform the sport into something else in 10 years from now. Trust me, we're going to see guys doing jumping spinning kicks and knocking guys out with it and all sorts of shit in a few years.

I wouldn't say he shouldn't have been fighting in the first place. He did have a nice victory over Frank Mir who isn't a chump by any means, but like you said he style isn't going to make him an top fighter in today's MMA, however he belonged there as much if not more so then an aged Cro Cop, Roy Nelson, and a few other guys put on PPV after PPV. He just shouldn't be a main event level fighter.

Ok let me rephrase.

He shouldn't have been there out of the gate like he was. He should have been made to fight lots of guys like every other up and comer does, and earn his way up. On the way I think he would have been exposed. I mean Heath Herring is a tomato can, and he beat a 44 year old Couture.

So basically he had a split with Mir, and then a win over Carwin who somehow threw 68 unanswered punches (or some shit like that) without a stoppage and gassed himself out. Then got his ass totally beat by Cain and Overeem. So basically he got his ass kicked the last three times he fought and he's showed ZERO improvement from the first time he stepped into the Octagon.

Brock should have been forced to get 10-12 fights under his belt before being thrust into the spotlight. I understand it's a business also, but the guy never developed the skillset to fight at that level. He got by early on his size and wrestling. When he ran into guys who were as big as him, or weren't bothered by his wrestling, he was a zero fighter.

And there are lots of guys who should stop hanging around. Like CroCop. Just retire.

But at least at some point those guys were LEGIT MMA fighters. Brock never was.

From a fighting stand point you are 100% correct, but like you said it's still a business and Brock sold PPV's. It's the same reason we keep seeing Tito getting trotted out there with his 1-7 record in his last 8 fights, but like Tito they should have just kept Brock on the undercard against guys that aren't great strikers instead of trying to fast track him to be the face of the UFC. I think they could have gotten more out of him that way and made more money.

Yup. And then at least, he would have had time to develop his stand up, which is the worst I've ever seen at HW outside of maybe Monson.

Point is, Brock was brought in to sell PPV's, as you noted, but as a fighter he was very 3rd rate. The humping of his leg by CoMo was always very comical to me.

I'm pretty sure CoMo is just trying to get under your skin.

CoMo has a knack of picking the loser.

Not initially. He really thought Lesnar was going to be some unstoppable force in the HW division because he beat up Mir, who is terrible at stopping takedowns.

I hope hootie isn't calling hendricks shot a pussy ass hit. My good friend knows him and textedme right before the fight that he was a HARD puncher and was gonns ko fitch with a left and quickly
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Ubereem vs. Dos Santos should be an absolute war...can't wait for that, striking galore.

I think Brock is nuts for even fighting after having a foot of his intestine removed...and esp. against such an elite striker as Reem. I guess he wanted one more big payday before heading back to WWE.

And i hope its obvious that fedor in his hey day bea ts brock easily...
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uh, yeah. Fedor would have destroyed him inside of 20 seconds.

And any way he wanted...
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Pretty much.

I dont think he was ever going to be taken half ass seriously. Dana wanted him to go against the good fighters becuase Brock was talking shit. Its a money maker. THey thought he would get his ass beat bad and be done with MMA after a fight or 2. That didnt happen.

I think Dana thought it was a joke til he proved otherwise.

Not one post about the Ufc from last night. What's going on? That spin kick knockout was bad ass. Jose Aldo is also a very bad man. Very exciting card.

I tried to post in this thread but it went somewhere else, people were mad for the spoiler.

kick was awesome, vitor with the choke, aldo...all great
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Did Joe Rogan watch the same Sonnen/Bisping fight that I did?

I didn't agree with his assessment of the fight either. Sonnen got all of the takedowns in the first two rounds. Bisping did control Sonnen by pressing him up against the fence for a while but he didn't do much damage.

Sonnen is a bitch. He needs to join the WWE with those antics.

Evans vs Jones should be good.

Not an Evans fan at all but dude has looked really solid in every fight since that sub par showing against Page.

I think he'll give Jones the toughest time of anyone that Jones has faced. I thought Phil Davis would give Rashad SOME trouble but Rashad totally outclassed him in every way.

Sonnen is good for UFC. Everyone can't be GSP. You need some clowns in the show as well as the magicians.

I don't see how anyone can't like this guy.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/01/3...s-ufc-said-no/

He is my co-favorite fighter. I also like Rashad so I'm just hoping for a good fight.

Poor Nick. A legend in his own mind.
Go get high, whine and cry to anyone that will listen, then get your ass back in camp.

FWIW, I thought Diaz had the fight won.

What the ****? Condit won?

How did it happen?

No way...

I had it 4-0 Conduit going into the 5th.
Without the take down at the end I would have scored it 5-0.

Yep. There's no controversy at all. Diaz is just a sore loser. Hope Nate goes down next.

I thought is was 48-47 Condit, but it could have went either way. I was pulling for Condit and kind of shocked when Joe said in the 4th Diaz needed to be worried about winning the round since he was behind in the fight.

MMA blows now, I've been watching it since the Pride days. Seen Fedor fight in Vegas against Mark Coleman.


Dana White is horrible. The guy thinks every fighter is bad ass. He'll keep bringing old fighters back. It's really shitty, who wants to keep watching Tito fight? UFC blows and some the judges decisions are a joke. I haven't watched a UFC pay per view event in about 7 months. They have something going like once a week lol. UFC= WWE

I gave condit the middle 3. the 5th was close too.

He fought a smart fight. Didnt get sucked into Nicks Corner and box him brawl he uses on everybody else. He outstruck and outlanded Diaz in every round and was never in trouble. People like to use Octagon Control as an argument for this. Well thats too bad, Condit could go anywhere he wanted to. He sucked Diaz into his gameplan and outlanded the crybaby. Great win for Condit.

This!

I don't want to watch Tito fight, but he is one of the biggest draws around so they keep bringing him back because more people want to watch him fight then anyone else. It's just business.

The MMA guys today are far superior to guys in the Pride hay days. It's just a very difficult sport to score, but more often then not the judges get it right.

That decision was bullshit. Diaz won that fight.

It wasn't bullshit. Diaz won 1 and 5 IMO and Condit won 3 and 4. 2 could have went either way, but Condit probably took it I really didn't see 49-46, but 3 judges and Rogan all had it for Condit.


68: Low kicks landed by Carlos Condit during the course of his five-round unanimous decision victory over former Strikeforce welterweight champion Nick Diaz. Jackson’s Mixed Martial Arts teammate Donald Cerrone previously set the record by landing 49 low kicks against Vagner Rocha at UFC 131. Cerrone’s mark remains atop the list for a three-round fight, however, as Condit had 42 low kicks through three frames.

117: Total strikes landed by Nick Diaz, 140 less than he was able to land in his UFC 137 win over B.J. Penn, which was a three-round affair. Meanwhile, Condit landed 159 total strikes.

329: Total strikes thrown by Condit, 71 more than Diaz attempted in their 25-minute encounter.

4: Rounds where Condit landed more significant strikes than Diaz. “The Natural Born Killer” outlanded Diaz in round one (29 to 23); round three (32 to 22), round four (36 to 11) and round five (25 to 17).

12: Fights since an opponent landed more strikes than Diaz, which was also the last time the Stockton, Calif., native tasted defeat in the cage. In 2007 K.J. Noons outlanded Diaz 18 significant strikes to 13 en route to winning via doctor stoppage.

5: Combined ground strikes landed by Condit (4) and Diaz (1). Diaz earned the only takedown of the fight in the late in the bout’s fifth round, where he attempted to secure a rear-naked choke.

62: Total strikes to the head landed by Diaz on Condit, seven more than the Jackson’s MMA representative was able to land on Diaz.

Yeah, but rules Pride were very different. Chuck didn't stand a chance in Pride during his prime years. In Pride you couldn't just run away from your opponent or lay on top of them. They had consequences for that. Face stomps and face kicks to the ground ended many fights in Pride. You really can't say UFC fighters are more superior. Different ball game over there.

Chuck couldn't beat Rampage in a ring or cage so I don't think that's relevant. I'm not comparing promotions, just era's. Guys today are better.

Well the guys now are better, all of Pride fighters are washed up. Fedor, Cro Cop, Rampage etc.


I think if you put any UFC heavyweight in their prime against Fedor in his prime in a fight in Pride. Fedor would destroy anyone.

I don't think he would, but it is possible. It's just such a young evolving sport that you are going to keep seeing the level of the fighters rise for a long time. Today's MMA guys are better then MMA guys of 10 years ago and MMA guys 10 years from now will be better then guys today.

No it wasn't.

I had no dog in that fight, and Condit clearly won rounds 2,3,4. Diaz had 1 and 5, but 5 only because of the takedown. Either way it was a close call but the judges got this one right.

No. Please know what you're watching and how to score a fight.

Diaz was in the center of the octagon the entire fight. Getting his ass kicked.

Fedor would still destroy a lot of them. He went in to k-1 fedor mode hunting heads looking for the knockout. Albiet against sub par competition, his last 2 fights he actually fought his gameplan and didnt look for the KO. He may have ended his last 2 opponents careers because he picked them apart so badly.

This can go for any sport. Guys are bigger, faster and stronger these days.

This.

Dude is just a fanboy tho.

Meh.

It's not really about bigger, faster, stronger. It's really about how a sport changes.

8 years ago it was all about being a great wrestler. Great stand up guys had no chance because they just got taken down and that was it.

Now things have changed. Wrestlers don't wrestle as much because too many guys have great take down defense. Guys don't get sub'd as much anymore either.

What is starting to happen is that the stand up is starting to evolve. Jon Jones and even last night with Carlos Condit are showing that. Various types of kicks are working their way into the mix now and in a few years you are going to see guys with some really advanced stand up game.

Then 10 years down the road it will be something else. It's not really about guys being bigger, faster, stronger. It's just about the evolution of the sport.

This is just not true. A prime Wand in the division right now would obliterate anybody he wanted to. A prime crocop/fedor/nog/barnett would have their way with anybody. They MASTERED their sport. Weather it was striking/Judo/sambo/catch/bjj. they didnt just train a bit of it like the guys now. They were the masters at what they did, which is what made them so dangerous.