KU is considered CBB royalty, though. Winning championships is pretty hard. Royalty is defined by the ability to be in position to win it year in and year out. Very few schools have more NC's than KU. Only 2 have won more games in the history of CBB. But we already know this.

If KU wasn't good at anything, I don't think MU fans would pay a bit of attention to them. Think ISU.

All this KU talk jeez. It is obvious that football is king in matters such as this. No reason to waste time thinking otherwise. I don't think Gill is a bad hire for them. They are not going to be awesome but I think thats a great hire for the situation they are in.

I have a friend who works at a Lawrence media outlet and they are shitting themselves over the idea of lost traffic and interest if KU goes to a "lesser" conference. Some scared folks on the other side of the border.

I don't have a problem thinking of KU has CBB royalty. They have earned it. However with that said, their fans CBB-centric view on everything clouds their perspective on a lot of stuff.

... but he has been on the phone all day with sources.

KK's back and he's flyin!!!

FIRE PERKINS!!!

Why would I think ISU? Kansas vs Missouri is one of the most hate-filled rivalries in the country. Talking shit on and hating each other has been a tradition for multiple generations.

Where would KSU end up? Potentially the Mountain West too?
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It's the greatest compliment of all. :D

If KU was good at nothing, it wouldn't be a rivalry.

LOL, yes it would.

I stopped reading at "Keitzman".

The MWC tournament is held on the campus of UNLV. Could make for a fun road trip annually.
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It's a rivalry in football. It's not in basketball.

Zach said it better than I, though similar. I'm interested to find out why you only quote part of my post and left this out:

Enjoy the Mountain West.

Says the guy that thinks 15 is greater than 17.

LMAO

Pitt State used to be huge rivals with Missouri Southern. At the time, Northwest wasn't the program they are now and weren't really rivals with PSU. Once Missouri Southern went into the toilet and Northwest became a power, they became Pitt's rivalry. Southern became another game.

It wouldn't be exactly like that, but if MU went to the Big 10 and KU sucked at everything, I doubt Missouri would care about KU that much.

Zach said something completely different from what you said. I agree with Zach, I didn't agree with you. I'll let you figure out the difference on your own.

Yeah, all it takes is a good "Burn your town to the ground" party to get a rivalry started round these parts. /Frazod.

I would generally agree with Pitt Gorilla. I think Kansas\Missouri is unique though. More often than not the rivalry dies if one or both schools is shit in things that matter. But this is a different breed of rivalry.

So if we do go to the Big10, what town should be take out?

I don't think you could "take out" a city in Michigan even if you wanted. heh.

This is not at all the point I was trying to make. I was trying to say that MU fans would act just like KU/UNC/UK fans act when it comes to CBB if our roles were reversed. All of a sudden, you were saying that it wouldn't be a rivalry if KU sucked at everything and MU was CBB royalty.

This is the Big 12's Cuban Missile Crisis.

That I used slightly different words to make a point that you ignored?

You centered on the "basketball royalty" part of the post, and ignored the rationalization part. Hard to connect the two when you ignore part of the post.

It's that "royalty" that clouds the KU douchebag perspective.

Again, keep in mind I'm not classifying all KU fans as douchebags here. We all know who they are.

You could be right, but if KU sucked at everything and continued to suck at everything, how long would you care about what they were doing? What in the world would their fans talk smack about?

There are to many instances where the fans live and work together to let it die. My perspective could be clouded by living in KC. This town is cauldron for KU\MU fans.

Same thing MU fans have done for years. Talking shit whenever KU fails during one of their championship runs. Buying other schools' apparel to remind KU fans of what happened, things like that. You're acting like you were born yesterday.

I'm not sure whether you attended MU or not, but if you attend one of the schools and care about sports at all and actually make roadtrips to Columbia/Lawrence, the hatred stays forever. What other schools' fans do you see throw batteries at the opposing school's fans? What about empty bottles at the marching band. I just don't think you understand what kind of shit goes on at either school when it comes to KU vs MU.

"You, Mr. Beebe, are NO Jack Kennedy."

I have a PhD from MU. I taught and researched at MU. My sister went to KU and her family lived there for 10 years. One of my best friends received his pharmacy degree at KU. I get the rivalry. I also understand that if KU stunk at everything for a fairly significant number of years, that rivalry would lose a lot of its luster.

I've heard back from 5 ACC & Big East Athletic Directors... Dick Baddour, RC Johnson, Ed Pastilong, Ron Wellman and Mitch Barnhart of Kentucky.

I sincerely doubt that KU will be left out in the cold. KSU, not so sure.

IMO, I'd love see this:

ACC East

Duke
UNC
Maryland
NC State
Boston College
Wake Forest
Virginia
Virginia Tech

ACC West


Memphis
Louisville
West Virginia
Pittsburgh
UConn
Kentucky
Kansas
Kansas State

and so I emailed each Athletic director... and chancellor.

Bernadette Gray-Little got back to me as well, yesterday saying that KU is committed to making the Big 12 work... which really isn't something KU has power over, IMO.

I think when the dust settles everything will be ok. Right now speculation is running rampant.

You don't get what a rivalry is, then.

I can see both sides of this, and it really comes down to personal perspective.

Using the Chiefs as an example, I know a lot of people that still consider Chiefs/Raiders a huge rivalry.

I don't share that opinion, because Oakland has sucked for a decade and we have for close to a half-decade.

Cards-Cubs doesn't have the same luster when both are out of the race - though that hasn't happened in a while.

Rivalries like these will always exist, but are fluid, IMO. Some years it's just going to be more intense than others.

How has our Raiders rivalry been lately?

Edit: Wow, great minds and whatnot.

How has our Broncos rivalry been lately?

MU fans have little brother syndrome when it comes to KU and athletics.

ESPN Gameday live reporting that NU and MU havebeen invited to join the Big 10, N. Dame not interested in going anywhere, and the Pac 10 is sending out invites this weekend.

And, no, I can't find any links from ESPN or anyone else.

lol.

Not more of this shit.

I thought that was KSU?

That could be the case. It's just nice to see that the little brother could be the one that ends up shining the brightest in the end.

I'm sorry, but professional sports rivalries are a little different. MU vs KU hatred gets passed on from student to student every year, no matter how good or bad the respective teams are doing. This is the reason the only game that sells out Mizzou Arena every year is when KU rolls into town. Same thing at KU, the students don't get up for any other game like they do for the KU vs MU one. That's just how it is.

Your analogies are pretty weak, fellas.

That's fair, and the fact that I have no allegiance to a NCAA program may cloud my vision a bit when it comes to your side of the argument.

Like I said originally:

Fair enough. :)

If the teams played once a year in each sport in perpetuity, and if both sides were halfway competitive, the rivalry would continue.

But it would likewise fade if it became infrequent to be renewed or if one team suffered a decline.
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KK is talking about how KU fan is upset that KU's chancellor called and begged MU to stay in the Big 12.

Shouldn't you be Dr. Pitt Gorilla then?

I am, but I don't dwell on that. My students call me by my first name, last name, or whatever.

A PhD at Mizzou doesn't count towards being a Dr. ROFL

In my field, it's a top 5-10 program in the nation. KU doesn't have a credible program.

What's someone with a PhD doing posting on a message board in the middle of the day?

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I really should be working. However, classes have been out and I'm currently not under a grant contract. I have been working on a few reports and SHOULD work on them more diligently.

Quite honestly, this Big 10 thing has been a HUGE distraction.

Getting paid?

You may have talked to this before, but what affect, if any, do you think a move to the Big10 would have on the value of your PhD? I've heard people say that their degree would suddendly "be worth more".

Civil War Losers Studies?

Ouch.

Luv - 1

New guy - 0

It's not quite what the Animal Husbandry program at ku is, but it's pretty good.

The college basketball royalty in this country is located in Durham. When King K enters the room you bball subjects may kiss the ring.

LMAO

Now that's what I'm talking about!

You're thinking of K State.

It won't have much impact on me at all. You need the degree to get the job, but after that, all that matters is how you produce.

Missouri has one of the top programs in the country. The Big 10 move wouldn't change that at all.

I will enjoy telling everyone about my Big 10 degree, though! ;)

You hardly need defend yourself or even dignify the cretin with a reply to a statement as patently ignorant as the one he made.

20 years of history, no matter how successful, does not make you royalty of anything.

It goes:

UK
UNC
KU

In that order.

Duke falls into the same category as UCLA. Yes, they're powerhouses, but they're not what the 3 kings are.

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Are you under the impression that being doctorally prepared renders a person both internet challenged and nocturnal?

I have a Big 10 degree. It isn't worth the paper it's written on.

UCLA below Kansas? LMAO
Lets poll the nation and see what they say. Then let's poll the nation and see what percentage would be willing to eliminae college basketball if it meant saving college football.
Then let's see who gives a shit.

You get out of education what you put into it. If it isn't worth the paper its written on I have a hard time thinking that is the fault of the educational establishment.

I'm glad to answer the question, though, as I don't normally post this much. I certainly wouldn't be posting this much during the semester or if I was currently working on a grant.

That being said, there are things I should be doing and this Big 10 thing is clearly a huge weakness of mine.

What'd you major in?

I would tend to agree, and 1a is just down the road. Or vice-versa.

Just for fun, I'd follow up with Kentucky and UCLA.

#5 could be anyone from the following group and not get much argument from me:

Kansas, Indiana, and potentially Louisville.

JMHO.

What does any of that have to do with what I said? You're a fan of Iowa. That's a school with as much tradition as MU. I have never claimed that BBall is more important than basketball. All I have ever said is that being a blueblood in a secondary sport is infinitely better than nothing. ****tards like you immediately bring up football for some reason.

You definitely have basketball on the brain. :p

I could have swore you said "winning championships is hard" a bit earlier.

Duke's done it 4 times in their "20 years of history" while KU has only done it 3 times in their storied, 100+ year history.

Interesting.

Because football is what this thread is about. And it is hilarious to hear you refer to a school as royalty.
As for secondary sports, nobody rules the landscape like Iowa rules wrestling so don't give me your weak sauce cry baby shit about KU having more tradition than someone else. We are in the catbird's seat with school dying for an invitation and you and your blueblood are looking at sucking dicks for game travel money.

The fact that you think UK falls behind anyone else says a lot about your knowledge of CBB history. UCLA is defined by one era, just like Duke (well, better than Duke seeing as they won in 95 too). It also happens that UCLA cheated to be the success they were, but that's not the point.