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lewdog 04-27-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 10588355)
I got it covered.

xoxo

Prison Bitch 04-27-2014 10:18 AM

Butler Gordon Hosmer: 1 home run. TOTAL. It's almost May. I've never seen bigger pussies in my life.

lewdog 04-27-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10588451)
Butler Gordon Hosmer: 1 home run. TOTAL. It's almost May. I've never seen bigger pussies in my life.

Pretty much this. They can't keep this shit up......can they?

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2014 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10588607)
Pretty much this. They can't keep this shit up......can they?

Well, they've been maintaining this course for 23 games- yes it's entirely possible to continue.

This entire team (save Esky) has fallen so far off the ledge offensively, that it's almost scary.

Prison Bitch 04-27-2014 11:56 AM

It's time for DM to call Butler and Gordon into his office and tear them new assholes for what they've become. It's just embarrassing how pathetic they both are. Punchless pussies at the plate. There is absolutely no reason these guys should've turned out like this. Not at their ages.

ChiTown 04-27-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10588690)
It's time for DM to call Butler and Gordon into his office and tear them new assholes for what they've become. It's just embarrassing how pathetic they both are. Punchless pussies at the plate. There is absolutely no reason these guys should've turned out like this. Not at their ages.

At least Gordon isn't an embarrassment at the plate like Butler has been. Not only that, but Gordon's D has been awesome. Butler? His only job is to hit and he ****ing sucks at it.

Anyong Bluth 04-27-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10588855)
At least Gordon isn't an embarrassment at the plate like Butler has been. Not only that, but Gordon's D has been awesome. Butler? His only job is to hit and he ****ing sucks at it.

Agreed. Gordon and Butler are completely different conversations.

Gordon has been worth at least 2 wins already.

Butler's only job is plate production, and he's been absolutely insufferable to watch.

CoMoChief 04-27-2014 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10588451)
Butler Gordon Hosmer: 1 home run. TOTAL. It's almost May. I've never seen bigger pussies in my life.

YUP....which is the reason why this team won't make the postseason.

You can't have that kind of production from your 3 supposedly best hitters.

Moose may crack 20HR's this season, but his BA is still going to be shit unless he starts getting hot.

To have horrible production coming from your corners is going to anchor this team down from reaching their potential.

These guys are nothing but hyped up AAA minor leaguers that can't cut it consistently in the big leagues.

*Butler should be a 30-35HR/90-100RBI hitter. You're getting paid to hit the ball over the fence and move runners around to score.

*Hosmer,Moose,Gordon should all be avg 20-25HR 70RBI, there's no reason or excuse why they shouldn't be able to produce these kinds of numbers at this point in their careers.

*Salvador Perez should be able to tease the 20HR mark, but he's a badass catcher that goes through much more wear and tear through the games/season so he gets a pass IMO.

*Cain/Aoki/Dyson/Escobar's jobs are to get on base, rattle the pitchers by being able to steal and advance, allowing the others to hit them home.

Prison Bitch 04-27-2014 04:35 PM

More concerning is how infrequent Butler & Gordon even hit the ball hard. Gordon had a long double today, but it's become such a rarity for him to even hit a ball into the gap. His power was prodigious as a prospect and even his first couple years he'd hit some really long HR. Now? He's a slap hitting Rusty Greer clone. He tried to cut his swing down and go more opposite field to reduce his Ks but guess what? He's still striking out 140x/yr. Only now there's no power to go with it.


Butler isn't even worth talking about anymore.

Fansy the Famous Bard 04-27-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10589406)
More concerning is how infrequent Butler & Gordon even hit the ball hard. Gordon had a long double today, but it's become such a rarity for him to even hit a ball into the gap. His power was prodigious as a prospect and even his first couple years he'd hit some really long HR. Now? He's a slap hitting Rusty Greer clone. He tried to cut his swing down and go more opposite field to reduce his Ks but guess what? He's still striking out 140x/yr. Only now there's no power to go with it.


Butler isn't even worth talking about anymore.

Butler is definitely worth talking about, because he is the epitome of the problem. It's the entire team... At what point does Pedro Grifol's philosophy and teachings begin to take criticism? Because these aren't just slumps for a couple of players... These are multi-season production voids from players that have had historical success. Half a season of productivity with Hosmer does not offset the sweeping failure from the rest.

Ceej 04-27-2014 05:10 PM

Watching BBTN before the Angels/Yanks game since there isn't shit on made me wonder when the last time the Royals played baseball on ESPN was, if ever.

C3HIEF3S 04-27-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceej (Post 10589441)
Watching BBTN before the Angels/Yanks game since there isn't shit on made me wonder when the last time the Royals played baseball on ESPN was, if ever.

Opening day 2012 vs the Angels

Albert Pujols' first game in Anaheim.

I don't think we were the reason we were on ESPN. But we do have one national game on FOX this year and two games on Fox Sports 1 I believe.

Prison Bitch 04-27-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10589418)
Butler is definitely worth talking about, because he is the epitome of the problem. It's the entire team... At what point does Pedro Grifol's philosophy and teachings begin to take criticism? Because these aren't just slumps for a couple of players... These are multi-season production voids from players that have had historical success. Half a season of productivity with Hosmer does not offset the sweeping failure from the rest.

It's worth examining what the future really holds for these 2. If we look at their comps on Baseball Reference, we see they all fell off the cliff after age 30. Alex' best comp is Jeffrey Hammonds (4th overall out of Stanford vs. Alex 2nd OVerall, , 3rd rated prospect in BB America vs. Alex at 2), good but not great career). Ray Lankford, Eric Byrnes, Ivan Calderon etc all fell off the map shortly after turning 30. Alex is 30 now making $10m. He makes $12.5m in 2014 with the same $ option for 2016. Like his comparables his physical play in LF is taking a toll on him. His 2016 option will not be picked up.


Butler is tougher. Olerud, Kruk, Loney, Hrbek, Baines. Very disparate comps so nothing to glean there. I think you can just look at him last year and so far this year and realize he's not ever getting back to 2012 form. He may be finished. He will not turn out to be our Edgar Martinez.

SPATCH 04-27-2014 05:49 PM

I was trying to day-dream ways that we might address this team's utter lack of power once the trade window opens up, and I was sort of at a loss.

Do we get a 4th OF type with some pop and start DHing him?

Might be prudent, especially considering Cain will probably break again. Play Aoki in CF and put the power bat in RF.

Bowser 04-27-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SPATCH (Post 10589509)
I was trying to day-dream ways that we might address this team's utter lack of power once the trade window opens up, and I was sort of at a loss.

Do we get a 4th OF type with some pop and start DHing him?

Might be prudent, especially considering Cain will probably break again. Play Aoki in CF and put the power bat in RF.

Good with this.

And not that he would have been an answer to our power problems, but we never should have let David Lough be traded.


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