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Rooster 10-07-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7974612)
Same as K-State.

That's actually a pretty fair statement.

ChiTown 10-07-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7974612)
Same as K-State.

Bo, did you get your degree from UNL? Just curious, because I'm not sure I ever heard one way or the other.

Pants 10-07-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974610)
How's that explain Duke?

Coach K's legend, I guess? I don't know.

Do you consider UCONN to be on par with Duke? I don't. Duke has been a constant powerhouse since we were able to understand what sports are. UCONN has 1 less NC, but nobody considers them to be the elite year in and year out.

Anyway, all this basketball talk is giving this thread HPV.

Titty Meat 10-07-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 7974623)
Bo, did you get your degree from UNL? Just curious, because I'm not sure I ever heard one way or the other.

Negative.

ChiTown 10-07-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 7974634)
Negative.

10-4

Saul Good 10-07-2011 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7974602)
You don't think UNC could ever get a Garry Patterson and sneak in a couple NCs? Ever? Snyder almost did it with ****ing K-State. Look, I'm not arguing here that should a school have a rich tradition in both sports it would consider itself a basketball school over a football one. But a school's history definitely plays a huge part in how the fans perceive things. If KU had a top 25 football program for the last 10 years, we would still be calling ourselves a basketball school today.

Name 1 school with a consistently good football team that considers itself a basketball school.

I would submit that there are around 30 schools that are consistently good in football. If you're right, at least 1 of them should be a basketball school.

Pants 10-07-2011 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7974643)
Name 1 school with a consistently good football team that considers itself a basketball school.

I would submit that there are around 30 schools that are consistently good in football. If you're right, at least 1 of them should be a basketball school.

Are there schools that have a rich basketball tradition that are consistently good in football?

There aren't any. I still maintain my previous statements, though. Tradition determines how a fanbase views itself. Is there a school with a rich basketball tradition that doesn't consider itself as such? I would submit that should a school with a rich basketball tradition become a perennial top 25 program in football, it would still consider itself to be a basketball school.

DJ's left nut 10-07-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7974704)
Are there schools that have a rich basketball tradition that are consistently good in football?

There aren't any. I still maintain my previous statements, though. Tradition determines how a fanbase views itself. Is there a school with a rich basketball tradition that doesn't consider itself as such? I would submit that should a school with a rich basketball tradition become a perennial top 25 program in football, it would still consider itself to be a basketball school.

Like I said - watch North Carolina whenever they're winning football games.

If they had a program like, I dunno, VaTech's - I think they'd consider themselves a football school. I'm almost certain they would if they had a program like Auburn's.

UCLA, Kansas and maybe Duke are the only schools that wouldn't 'turn', IMO. And if any of those schools had a run of about 10 years where their football program was as successful or more successful than their basketball program, I think they would as well.

Saul Good 10-07-2011 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7974704)
Are there schools that have a rich basketball tradition that are consistently good in football?

There aren't any. I still maintain my previous statements, though. Tradition determines how a fanbase views itself. Is there a school with a rich basketball tradition that doesn't consider itself as such? I would submit that should a school with a rich basketball tradition become a perennial top 25 program in football, it would still consider itself to be a basketball school.

I would say that Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Missouri, and Notre Dame have all been at least pretty good at both sports in recent history. Do you think any of these schools consider themselves to be basketball schools?

Discuss Thrower 10-07-2011 02:21 PM

Of that list I could see an argument made for Sparty..

Pants 10-07-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7974716)
I would say that Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Pitt, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Missouri, and Notre Dame have all been at least pretty good at both sports in recent history. Do you think any of these schools consider themselves to be basketball schools?

I think Michigan State would probably consider itself to be a basketball school, but I'm not sure. Once again, you're arguing a different side of what I'm trying to say. Either one of Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas or Oklahoma could win every single basketball championship from today till the end of days and they would still be a football school because that's what their tradition dictates. Schools with no real tradition are going to gravitate towards football as it is the more popular sport and is much bigger.

If I'm starting a program today, all my resources would go to football. You won't find me arguing otherwise.

Saul Good 10-07-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974715)
Like I said - watch North Carolina whenever they're winning football games.

If they had a program like, I dunno, VaTech's - I think they'd consider themselves a football school. I'm almost certain they would if they had a program like Auburn's.

UCLA, Kansas and maybe Duke are the only schools that wouldn't 'turn', IMO. And if any of those schools had a run of about 10 years where their football program was as successful or more successful than their basketball program, I think they would as well.

UCLA would turn in a heartbeat.

Its a moot point, though. I say that guys who walk around with feces smeared on their faces don't bang supermodels. Pants says that a if a guy who had feces smeared on his face banged a supermodel, then he probably would keep walking around covered in shit.

That will never happen, though. Duke and Kansas are about as likely to win national titles in football as tubgirl's twin brother is to bang Gisele.

Pants 10-07-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974715)
Like I said - watch North Carolina whenever they're winning football games.

If they had a program like, I dunno, VaTech's - I think they'd consider themselves a football school. I'm almost certain they would if they had a program like Auburn's.

UCLA, Kansas and maybe Duke are the only schools that wouldn't 'turn', IMO. And if any of those schools had a run of about 10 years where their football program was as successful or more successful than their basketball program, I think they would as well.

You could be right, man, I don't know. I think UNC will always be basketball simply because His Airness went there. I think you can put Kentucky in the category of would never turn. Would the fans go nuts if all of a sudden their school was good in football? Of course. Kansas fans did in 2007. They would still be the proud owners of that "Most winning-est basketball program in the history of basketball" though.

Saul Good 10-07-2011 02:32 PM

Tom Izzo refers to Michigan State as a football school.

Pants 10-07-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 7974756)
Tom Izzo refers to Michigan State as a football school.

Tom Izzo is a very humble man. But like I said, I wasn't sure about MichSt. Magic Johnson did make them love the sport, though.


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