I mentioned him elsewhere and I'd like him R5 ish. To be honest though I've been banging the drum pretty hard for us double dipping at WR...I'm not so sure now. Depends what we get in FA. I love the idea of loading up in the draft with cheap talent when it's there, but man we've got some holes to fill elsewhere and down the line.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">����������������: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> QB Patrick Mahomes reached out to Texas WR Xavier Worthy via text message after he broke the 40 yard dash record at the combine, Worthy told <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTylerDragon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTylerDragon</a> <br><br>Worthy also said that in a perfect world, he would get drafted to the Chiefs.<br><br>“In a perfect… <a href="https://t.co/Y6QVet0Z02">pic.twitter.com/Y6QVet0Z02</a></p>&mdash; JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/jasrifootball/status/1766529659632533901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I have a request: does anyone have access to pffs analytics on the Texas receivers? I am curious about depth of target and success rates for first downs at various depths for Worthy and Mitchell. I kinda think they used Worthy how we use Rice the vast majority of the time, which is to say swings and screens to get the ball to him quickly, where Mitchell made his success through route craft down field. I am looking for some data to test that theory.

I think it would be amazing to get Brenden Rice, with our last pick in 2nd, and Luke McCaffrey with last pick in 3rd.

What are thoughts on these two?

I watched the every snap breakdown that was posted here. No, that's not accurate. Also not accurate: Both Texas QB's.

Feels at least a round early on both. I think you should be able to get Rice at the back of the 3rd and McCaffrey at the back of the 4th. And if you can't, there's someone else sliding who will be valuable players for us.

I'm not taking Rice in the 2nd or McCaffrey in the 3rd.

Well, we can agree on one part of your statement: Texas QBs are inaccurate. Ewers feet are a mess.

I just saw the every snap on Worthy -

Worthy certainly has some capability to take the top off the defense - look at him smoke McKinstry during the Alabama game - but still, 75% of his looks are targets at or near the LOS. AD Mitchell won that game for Texas by abusing Arnold - even if you look at his production, it is understated because Arnold held him from sure TDs at least twice.

Both of these kids are gonna be fantastic in the NFL. I do think someone needs to chain Worthy to a Juggs machine tho.

They did that because it's a throw their QBs could actually make. Plus, Worthy is so damned fast, most college dbs are screwed as soon as he gets the ball.

I'd worry if there wasn't anything down field to look at, but there is.
I don't really have a dog in the fight, I like a bunch of these kids. Just depends on what the team is looking for.

My wish list for a receiver, in order, if we choose to go that route in the first round -


A) Troy Franklin - I think Franklin is a superior MVS in nearly every metric and exactly what we need opposite of Rice. Just feels tailor made to be in this offense.

B) Adonai Mitchell - Mitchell intrigues me. Not the burner Franklin is, and I'm not sure he's the type of guy Reid/Viotch are looking for, but his hands and route running ability can't be discounted. Would love to know his splits.

3) Xavier Worthy - his speed and game breaking ability are exactly what Reid seems drawn to. He's just so tiny, it gives me pause. *EDIT - he's taller than I thought he was, but still on the slim side.

BONUS - Keon Coleman - he'd be strong in this offense alongside Kelce and Rice (but you can say that about a number of young receivers in the draft this year).

I just look at all the idiots in the comments that think it's tampering hahaha. Man, people are intellectual.

Fully agree - what I was looking for is does he have the tree/route running to be the deep threat. He does.

With all the public Worthy/Chiefs stuff its starting to feel like smoke. Like the Chiefs will end up another direction.

The more I think about Coleman, the more I like him. I see him as getting those kelce targets in the long run in the red zone. He plays faster than he times. Many of These WRs really slow down to catch the ball and Coleman plays fast. His hands are comforting because we’ve seen our WRs drop balls that are slightly off target and Coleman is qb friendly. Imagine if we had a wr that Mahomes could actually trust to bail him out. Coleman is a highlight real of one handed catches. I see coleman like a bigger anquan bolden. Bolden ran a 4.71 40 but was so athletic that they let him play qb when the qb got injured and he showed great athleticism like Coleman does returning punts. How many 6’4” 215 lbs WRs do you see returning kicks and hurdling people? The guys a baller and if he falls bc of that 40, I hope we grab him. I think he’d be a great value around 50 if we could pull that off.

I'm a big fan too, something about this kid I just like.

Currently, my top targets for rounds 1 & 2 are...

Thomas Jr
Franklin
Coleman
Worthy
Legette
Burton
Walker
Corley

I think we walk away with ONE of these names.

Walker could be an MVS replacement and might be available at 64. What’s the deal with Walker? Does he questionable hands? He can fly.

Might be the best separator in the class but his hands were questionable at the Sr Bowl.

About 7% drop rate apparently so not terrible, not super sticky. The Senior Bowl was real bad but someone could get a steal with him. The tools are there.

Tough platform season due to some weirdness with his transfer.

I'd love to see him at 64. I ultimately think there will be 2-4 guys there that I really like. So I'm fine going any direction at all in the 1st and will be fairly content with getting our WR in the 2nd.

I'd be holding my breath for those last 3-4 picks though because I do think it could get spooky in a hurry at the back of the 2nd.

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I'm starting to wonder if Worthy will even be there at 32...I can see someone taking him a lot higher than a lot of people think.

Its possible, I think there are several good options though so I'm not too worried about it.

5 years ago, for sure.

I could see Buffalo doing it just to spite us because we live rent free.

If we sign M Brown does that change your opinion on going WR in the 1st?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;That&#39;s them telling me they want me on their team...they say they&#39;ve got a buzz in their facility for me.&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gamecocks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Gamecocks</a> WR Xavier Legette&#39;s Pro Day included many members of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Panthers</a> front office/scouting/coaching staffs today.<br><br>Thx to <a href="https://twitter.com/chandlerdmack?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@chandlerdmack</a> for assisting coverage! <a href="https://t.co/zxZm43EHZC">pic.twitter.com/zxZm43EHZC</a></p>&mdash; Nick Carboni (@NickCarboniWCNC) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickCarboniWCNC/status/1767680938387836966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't know what I expected him to sound like.....but it wasn't this lol.

With a voice like that, he's destined to be paired with Pat.

Just sounds like he is from South Cackalacky.

My ****ing GOD

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ladd McConkey with official 4.04 short shuttle and 6.72 3-cone times today at Pro Day.</p>&mdash; Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1767932724478668831?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Georgia WR Ladd McConkey going through receiver drills at Pro Day. Very sudden mover and change of direction skills. <a href="https://t.co/16KDwEhNR5">pic.twitter.com/16KDwEhNR5</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1767936757696237823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Could this be the best draft in NFL history in terms of pre draft hype and the talent of prospects? Just seems like we are gonna have an absolute stud at WR or LT fall to us.

Not me. It usually takes a WR a couple of years to really get going under Andy Reid and if an elite talent drops to us, then no way should Brown keep us from getting him in the 1st. Hell if I e of the really good ones is close, then I hope they make the move to go get them.

Do they want you at #33 or #65, though?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Depends on if we get a LT in F/A or not. Im all for re-signing D.Smith and doubling down on WR in the 1st. Brown + whomever (Worthy would be awesome and i dont give a shit if people think they're the same, they're not.)

Offseason's getting exciting!

Wonder if the Titans intend to keep Hopkins?

Who is the best WR you can imagine being available at #64?

Great question.

In theory: Leggette(please God!)

Reality: Roman Wilson(not too shabby)

I think it's gonna be pretty risky waiting until 64. There's going to be a run at some point and I can absolutely see most of the Wilson and Pearsall types off the board before we pick.

This class is just so deep though, and only so many can go in the first 2 rounds, even with a couple runs.

At the very least, a guy like Burton should be available at 64, and I'd take that all day.

Legette
Wilson
Burton
Corley

listened to his interview on the KCSN podcast and the kid was really smart. The way he talked about how he played would seem to fit right in with Reid and Mahomes. I'm hoping they grab him late.

Would be nice if we could look to him later in the draft.

I'd like to see us double dip at WR.

I was going to say I like Burton OK but not enough to be satisfied with him...but post the Holywood Brown signing I could live with this just fine, especially if I liked the LT we got in R1.

After us signing Hollywood, I could see us waiting until the 3rd to take a WR because in most years you can get the 16th WR taken. Here’s the total for how many WRs were taken in the first 3 rounds since 2020.

2023: 14
2022: 17
2021: 14
2020: 16

Look at how many WRs were taken by round below.

2023
1st round: 4
2nd: 4
3rd: 6
4th: 3
5th: 3

2022
1st round: 6
2nd: 7
3rd: 4
4th: 3
5th: 3

2021
1st round: 4
2nd: 5
3rd: 5
4th: 4
5th: 3

2020
1st round: 6
2nd: 7
3rd: 3
4th: 2
5th: 8


2023
1.20 SEA Jaxon Smith-Njigba Ohio State
1.21 LAC Quentin Johnston Texas Christian
1.22 BAL Zay Flowers Boston College
1.23 MIN Jordan Addison Southern California
2.08 CAR Jonathan Mingo Mississippi
2.19 GB Jayden Reed Michigan State
2.24 KC Rashee Rice Southern Methodist
2.32 DEN Marvin Mims Oklahoma
3.06 HOU Nathaniel Dell Houston
3.10 NYG Jalin Hyatt Tennessee
3.11 CLE Cedric Tillman Tennessee
3.16 IND Josh Downs North Carolina
3.31 ARI Michael Wilson Stanford
3.37 LVR Tre Tucker Cincinnati
4.23 LAC Derius Davis Texas Christian
4.29 CIN Charlie Jones Purdue
4.31 CHI Tyler Scott Cincinnati
5.15 BUF Justin Shorter Florida
5.24 GB Dontayvion Wicks Virginia
5.42 LAR Puka Nacua Brigham Young

2022
1.08 ATL WR Drake London USC
1.10 NYJ WR Garrett Wilson Ohio State
1.11 NO WR Chris Olave Ohio State
1.12 DET WR Jameson Williams Alabama
1.16 WAS WR Jahan Dotson Penn State
1.18 TEN WR Treylon Burks Arkansas
2.02 GB WR Christian Watson North Dakota St.
2.11 NYG WR Wan’Dale Robinson Kentucky
2.12 HOU WR John Metchie III Alabama
2.18 NE WR Tyquan Thornton Baylor
2.20 PIT WR George Pickens Georgia
2.21 IND WR Alec Pierce Cincinnati
2.22 KC WR Skyy Moore Western Michigan
3.07 CHI WR Velus Jones Jr. Tennessee
3.24 DAL WR Jalen Tolbert South Alabama
3.35 CLE WR David Bell Purdue
3.41 SF WR Danny Gray SMU
4.20 MIA WR Erik Ezukanma Texas Tech
4.27 GB WR Romeo Doubs Nevada
4.33 PIT WR Calvin Austin III Memphis
5.05 BUF WR Khalil Shakir Boise State
5.19 DEN WR Montrell Washington Samford
5.20 TEN WR Kyle Phillips UCLA
2021
1 6 Miami WR Jaylen Waddle Alabama Jr 5’10″ 182
1 10 Philadelphia WR DeVonta Smith Alabama Sr 6’1″ 175
1 20 NY Giants WR Kadarius Toney Florida Sr 6’0″ 193
1 27 Baltimore WR Rashod Bateman Minnesota Jr 6’2″ 210
2 2 NY Jets WR Elijah Moore Ole Miss Jr 5’9″ 185
2 17 Arizona WR Rondale Moore Purdue Soph 5’9″ 180
2 24 Seattle WR D’Wayne Eskridge Western Michigan Sr 5’9″ 190
2 25 LA Rams WR Tutu Atwell Louisville Jr 5’9″ 165
2 27 Carolina WR Terrace Marshall Jr. LSU Jr 6’3″ 200
3 14 LA Chargers WR Josh Palmer Tennessee Sr 6’2″ 210
3 19 Washington WR Dyami Brown North Carolina Jr 6’0″ 185
3 22 Green Bay WR Amari Rodgers Clemson Sr 5’10″ 210
3 26 Houston WR Nico Collins Michigan Sr 6’4″ 215
3 28 Cleveland WR Anthony Schwartz Auburn Jr 6’0″ 179
4 4 Tennessee WR Dez Fitzpatrick Louisville Sr 6’2″ 210
4 7 Detroit WR Amon-Ra St. Brown USC Jr 6’1″ 195
4 24 Tampa Bay WR Jaelon Darden North Texas Sr 5’9″ 174
4 26 Baltimore WR Tylan Wallace Oklahoma St. Sr 6’0″ 190
5 13 Minnesota WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette Iowa Sr 6’1″ 179
5 35 Dallas WR Simi Fehoko Stanford Jr 6’4″ 220
5 37 Kansas City WR Cornell Powell Clemson Sr 6’0″ 210

2020
1 12 Las Vegas Raiders Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama 6’0″ 190
1 15 Denver Broncos Jerry Jeudy WR Alabama 6’1″ 192
1 17 Dallas Cowboys CeeDee Lamb WR Oklahoma 6’2″ 191
1 21 Philadelphia Eagles Jalen Reagor WR TCU 5’11” 195
1 22 Minnesota Vikings Justin Jefferson WR LSU 6’3″ 192
1 25 San Francisco 49ers Brandon Aiyuk WR Arizona State 6’1″ 195
2 33 Cincinnati Bengals Tee Higgins WR Clemson 6’4″ 215
2 34 Indianapolis Colts Michael Pittman Jr. WR USC 6’4″ 225
2 42 Jacksonville Jaguars Laviska Shenault Jr. WR Colorado 6’2″ 220
2 46 Denver Broncos KJ Hamler WR Penn State 5’9″ 176
2 49 Pittsburgh Steelers Chase Claypool WR Notre Dame 6’4″ 229
2 57 Los Angeles Rams Van Jefferson WR Florida 6’2″ 197
2 59 New York Jets Denzel Mims WR Baylor 6’3″ 215
3 66 Washington Redskins Antonio Gibson WR Memphis 6’2″ 221
3 81 Las Vegas Raiders Bryan Edwards WR South Carolina 6’3″ 215
3 92 Baltimore Ravens Devin Duvernay WR Texas 5’11” 210
4 128 Buffalo Bills Gabriel Davis WR UCF 6’3″ 212
4 142 Washington Redskins Antonio Gandy-Golden WR Liberty 6’4″ 220
5 151 Los Angeles Chargers Joe Reed WR Virginia 6’1″ 215
5 161 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota 6’2″ 205
5 165 Jacksonville Jaguars Collin Johnson WR Texas 6’6″ 220
5 166 Detroit Lions Quintez Cephus WR Wisconsin 6’1″ 207
5 168 Philadelphia Eagles John Hightower WR Boise State 6’2″ 183
5 171 Houston Texans Isaiah Coulter WR Rhode Island 6’3″ 190
5 173 Chicago Bears Darnell Mooney WR Tulane 5’11” 175
5 176 Minnesota Vikings K.J. Osborn WR Miami (FL) 6’0″ 205

If you look at what potato did below, he’s got 18 in the first three rounds, which would be the most taken in the last 5 years of the draft. I don’t see any reason to take a wr with the 1st pick now. Somebody has to fall to the third round. He’s got 12 In The first two rounds and that’s a lot historically, so it’s very possible that only 10 WRs get taken in the first two rounds. There’s gonna be value with taking a wr in the 2nd and third rounds. I even like rice and McMillan in the 4th and wouldn’t be upset with either of those guys in the 4th.

Mel Kiper has been locked in for a few weeks on 6 going in the first and 6 going in the second. Historic classes do historic things.

Agreed but you still can get the 15th best wr prospect in the third. I’m not sure who falls but it could be Legette. It could be Walker. I’d be thrilled with either of those guys in the third. The risk is worth the reward for the athletic ability at that point.

Love this! Good analysis!

Brenden Rice in the 4th? Man, it would be nice to get that guy.

Elite athleticism

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those tracking Pro Day &quot;winners,&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Georgia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Georgia</a> WR Ladd McConkey definitely makes the list.<br><br>His 3.97 short shuttle would&#39;ve been No. 1 (all positions) at the Combine. His 6.72 three-cone would&#39;ve been fourth-best. Looked great during position drills too.</p>&mdash; Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1769027101666017522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Adding M Brown really set us up for success this year! He and Rice are really nice 2a and 2b guys next to Kelce, but they might be all pretty much even at this point in their careers. I still want weapons in the draft though, but now I'd probably be happy waiting a round or two. If we don't move up for Thomas Jr I think I like our traditional trade up in the 2nd, currently.

1st
Thomas Jr
Worthy

2nd
Coleman
Franklin
Legette
McConkey
Burton
Walker

3rd
Polk
Cowing
Corley
J Baker

4th
Rice Jr
Washington

Love how Veach fills every hole before the draft!

I'd bet D Smith is signed if we move Sneed.

with Kenny Pickett hands.

Alot of that this year.

Makes guys like Thomas, Polk, McMillan, Burton and McCaffrey look a lot more appealing.

What would it take for the Chiefs to move up from 32 to 27 with the Texans to get Brian Thomas Jr.? Hopefully screwing the Bills again! :thumb:

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Thoughts?

I don't think he's making it out of the top 20 man, I just don't.

I don't think the Hollywood Brown signing will change any of the plans KC had. If there is a WR that Veach and Reid really like that is within trading distance or drops to 32, then Brown isn't stopping them from going after that guy. Brown is on a 1 year deal and typically first year WRs don't do a whole lot under Reid, so whoever the rookie may be would naturally slide into the 2nd WR spot and take over for Brown.

Does it change the type of WR you want KC to draft?

Went on a BTj binge today. Really think he’s the bust of the group. Tools are there but a lot missing. Generally looks awkward at times. Got owned by Alabama.

I’d put Mitchell and worthy above him in pecking order.By a good margin.

I've noticed PFF has him scored relatively average considering his accomplishments.

Skyy Moore and MVS have 10” hands. How’d that work out?

I’ve said this before, maybe you saw. But people need to think about the fact he has QB1 and WR1 in any other draft on his team. A lot of his TDs came from Daniels great ball placement. He’s not the greatest YAC. He looks fluid, yes, but not shifty. And for his size he’s not that good at contested catches. At least from what I saw.

I don’t think he’d be a bust if he had Mahomes and the offense we have around him, because it’s similar to the level of relative eliteness he had at LSu. But all in all, Worthy and Mitchell could actually be safer picks, especially for year 1.

Like personally? No I want a fast guy. Brown being here for a WRs rookie season doesn't keep me from that.

If you mean it the Chiefs:
I don't think so, but **** what do I know?

How did it work out?. Back to back SB's sounds pretty good for them and us. Wouldn't you agree?

Ladd's small hands aren't about whataboutisms's though.

I'd move up for Thomas, or wait on the other four before spending #32 on Ladd.

If we move Sneed I think we trade up to #24 with the Cowboys, Guyton or Thomas Jr.

That's cool I am just throwing ideas out there, if you will. I actually am cool with whatever we do. Move up, move down. Veach is in control and will make the best decisions in the end. :thumb:

People are really stoked for Veach to make a move for an offensive weapon. I don't see that move happening unless LT gets sorted somehow.

I hope we move up for a LT, not a WR. We’ve shown what we can do with average wrs. I want improvement but we signed Hollywood and this draft is deep at wr. LT in the 1st, maybe even move up. And move up & use the a sneed trade for Coleman at 50, if he’s available. That would be my favorite outcome.

Been watching a lot more this weekend of multiple people. I really think Legette and Mitchell will be the steals of the draft/special special players. Nabers is a HOF possible, and I’m liking Odunze more that before. BTJr just looks like a bust to me, awkward player. Franklin fits this offense a lot, maybe better than Worthy. We wouldn’t be upset with Worthy. I’m not that big on Ladd. Just don’t think he’s worth a 1st pick compared to the other players. He could be solid, could be pedestrian. Idk how tough he is.

It’s an all-time class, probably. Mahomes is entering his prime. I say we try to get 2 of them, if we can.

What about Luke McCaffrey?

Yes if it can get his brother to the Chiefs at some point.

Can you imagine Christian McCaffrey in this offense

I know we missed on Skyy, or so it seems, but my God, wasn't much right before or after him... Pickens is good, but he's a head case diva.

This years class tiers:
Top 5 in a typical draft year:
Malik Nabors
MHJ
Rome Odunze

Top 10 in a typical draft year:
Brian Thomas Jr.

First round picks in a typical draft year:
AD Mitchell
Xavier Worthy
Ladd McConkey
Troy Franklin
Xavier Legette
Keon Coleman

Debatable first round picks in a typical draft year:
Roman Wilson
Jermaine Burton
Ricky pearsall

Second round picks in a typical draft year:
Jalen Polk
Jalen McMillan
Devontez Walker
Malachi Corley
Malik Washington

And so on. This is why I have such a hard on for rebuilding our wide receiver corps this year like we did three years ago with the DBs. Make Hay while the sun shines draft 3-4. I fon't care you can't over invest this year

And a decent year for Tackles... The football gods love us...

The more I watch Roman Wilson the more I like him.

Okay so that 90% contested catch rate graphic made me check out Cornelius Johnson from Michigan. Hadn't heard much about him.

His routes look super chunky and he lumbers around the field almost like a TE would if he were split wide. But then he's actually got a little sneaky speed to him, like you wouldn't expect him to be as fast as he is.

Ultimately I don't think he's a KC WR. Routes aren't clean enough.

I know DJLN hates RAS, but I was surprised to see his score. Worth noting the agility is missing, which is the biggest question mark after watching him on the field.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cornelius Johnson is a WR prospect in the 2024 draft class. He scored an unofficial 9.91 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 29 out of 3063 WR from 1987 to 2024. <br><br>Splits projected<a href="https://t.co/3CVCjumOrc">https://t.co/3CVCjumOrc</a> <a href="https://t.co/uD5hx1CRTj">pic.twitter.com/uD5hx1CRTj</a></p>&mdash; Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1764041501863010762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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But Johnny Wilson is a guy in this draft.