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temper11 12-17-2017 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 13292160)
Her pose is the only cringe worthy part. Did she have to look like Peter Pan? But I think it's almost a reflex use of the force. She's barely conscious.
This is where I am.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 06:31 PM
Actually the more I think about it...NEITHER of them were going to be trained, because Owen was against it.

It was only the events of ANH that led Luke ass backwards into being trained.

Thank the Force!

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13292496)
Actually the more I think about it...NEITHER of them were going to be trained, because Owen was against it.

It was only the events of ANH that led Luke ass backwards into being trained.

Thank the Force!
Yeah it was Kenobi's goal to train luke from the start but Owen was gonna have none of that shit after hearing about anakins fall.

temper11 12-17-2017 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13292272)
So why Luke and not Leia?
Sexism? No idea. Could have been leia but organna's wife wanted a girl, so he took leia. That left luke to go with obi wan who dishes him off to his uncle and just keep tabs on him from afar. Don't think there was a master plan at that time to train either of them... just wanted to keep them from vadar. In fact, Yoda initially disagrees to Luke's training because he (luke) is too old.

temper11 12-17-2017 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13292477)
Lots of different answers here and some of the scenes are coming back to me.

I'll have to re-watch for myself just to be sure, though.
Flinthillschief has it right.

temper11 12-17-2017 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13292492)
No, the whole thing sucked. And if you liked it, you suck too.
Ok... so you don't know why you didn't like it, and therefore arent interested in defending your opinion.

Frazod 12-17-2017 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13292492)
No, the whole thing sucked. And if you liked it, you suck too.
That's a bit harsh. LMAO

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13292591)
Ok... so you don't know why you didn't like it, and therefore arent interested in defending your opinion.
What? I've defended it from the start. She had been blasted out of a ship into the vacuum of space and exposed for more than a few seconds -- this isn't Dave Bowman quickly exiting the pod into the airlock. Then, to add injury to insult, they had her strike a ridiculous pose to fly through space back to the ship.

There are better ways to create drama with her, and better ways to demonstrate the power of the force.

From start to finish, it was absurd. And I'm absolutely gobsmacked that anyone who's not a troll is defending it.

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13292644)
That's a bit harsh. LMAO
Then again, if Frazod is calling me harsh ... :D

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13292696)
She had been blasted out of a ship into the vacuum of space and exposed for more than a few seconds
You can survive in the vacuum of space for more than a few seconds.

Especially if you are a space wizard.

I dunno, man. I guess I can get why it might be bad to some people, but there was just something magical, majestic and graceful about that scene to me, that fit perfectly with the character.

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13292714)
You can survive in the vacuum of space for more than a few seconds.

Especially if you are a space wizard.

I dunno, man. I guess I can get why it might be bad to some people, but there was just something magical, majestic and graceful about that scene to me, that fit perfectly with the character.
If you are being sincere, agree to disagree.

To focus on the positive, I really liked the Kylo Ren stuff and thought Driver was very good. My 18-year-old and I had a heated discussion on the way home about Luke's character (which is a good, healthy thing in our family!) and I liked the movie a little more than he did. I mostly defended Luke. So I'm not a hater. I really liked the stuff I liked, it's just that I found a lot of the other stuff crap, with flying Leia being No. 1. We both hated that. Real face palm stuff when it happened.

mnchiefsguy 12-17-2017 07:38 PM
Here is an interesting article from Deadline about fan ratings on RT and such and other services such as CinemaScore:

http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-war...ak-1202228837/

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 07:41 PM
Rian balling hard.

http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-war...ak-1202228837/

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The biggest reality and telling truth of a film’s popularity is that moviegoers vote with their wallets, and business was continually up day after day for The Last Jedi: Thursday’s $45M previews, Friday’s $59.8M ($104.8M including Thursday previews) and then Saturday’s $64M. There’s a huge want-to-see for this movie, and any kind of sour dialogue on IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes, and Metacritic stems from cynics or ardent fans battling new fans.
$450 million worldwide in less than four days.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars8.htm

The Franchise 12-17-2017 07:45 PM
I’m not a huge Star Wars nerd. I can’t sit here and debate back and forth with most of you about the back history of all of the characters.

But I thought it was a good movie. Great? No. But it was good and my 7 year old daughter liked it.

manchambo 12-17-2017 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13292714)
You can survive in the vacuum of space for more than a few seconds.

Especially if you are a space wizard.

I dunno, man. I guess I can get why it might be bad to some people, but there was just something magical, majestic and graceful about that scene to me, that fit perfectly with the character.
These are people who apparently are ok with people moving things with their mind all the time, but Leia using the exact same power to pull herself back to the ship? Crazy.

bowener 12-17-2017 07:52 PM
So I saw the film today. I need somebody to talk me into being happy with what I saw because I walked away sorely disappointed.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13292834)
So I saw the film today. I need somebody to talk me into being happy with what I saw because I walked away sorely disappointed.
Me and you both.

Rams Fan 12-17-2017 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 13292834)
So I saw the film today. I need somebody to talk me into being happy with what I saw because I walked away sorely disappointed.
Sure.

Things that should make you happy:
-Kyo Ren becoming more and more developed as a character
-The Battle of Crait
-Chewbacca eating a Porg
-Battle scene with Rey, Kylo, and Snoke
-****ing Yoda
-End scene with kid using force to get broom
-All force scenes with Kylo Ren and Rey
-Kylo Ren and Luke explaining WTF happened the night Luke thought about killing Kylo Ren

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13292829)
These are people who apparently are ok with people moving things with their mind all the time, but Leia using the exact same power to pull herself back to the ship? Crazy.
not only did it look reeruned she did it with zero training.

If you read a'lot of the negatives about the movie are people bitching about the lack of any training scenes.

This movie would have been 100% better if the cut out the entire casino scene and had rey/kylo training montage

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292873)
This movie would have been 100% better if the cut out the entire casino scene and had rey/kylo training montage
You want Rocky, not Star Wars. ROFL

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292873)
she did it with zero training.
How do you know Luke didn't give Leia "An Introduction to the Force" as a Christmas present a couple years after the Battle of Endor?

Chapter 1: Force Pull

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 08:07 PM
That casino scene was Casino Royale meets The Hunger Game.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 08:09 PM
https://i.redd.it/2uy20nlr7k401.jpg

manchambo 12-17-2017 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292873)
not only did it look reeruned she did it with zero training.

If you read a'lot of the negatives about the movie are people bitching about the lack of any training scenes.

This movie would have been 100% better if the cut out the entire casino scene and had rey/kylo training montage
Kinda like Luke getting his light saber in extremis before he went to Yoda?

And your view that training montages would've made the movie better--I wonder why you aren't making movies?

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 08:13 PM
they're like poetry, they rhyme

https://i.imgur.com/Yq0YenU.png

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13292900)
How do you know Luke didn't give Leia "An Introduction to the Force" as a Christmas present a couple years after the Battle of Endor?

Chapter 1: Force Pull
It would be nice if Rian did just a tab bit of world building one tiny scene is all it would take

1.Poe how did you survive the blast Leia ?
2.An old trick my brother taught me.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 08:15 PM
http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-snoke-explained/

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“When I was working on the character of Kylo, I came to a place where I thought the most interesting thing would be to knock the shaky foundation out from under him at the beginning of this movie…By the end of this film, he’s gone from being a wannabe Vader to someone who is standing on his own feet as a complex villain taking the reins.”

“But then the question is: What place would Snoke have at the end of that?…That made me realize the most interesting thing would be to eliminate that dynamic between the ‘emperor’ and pupil, so that all bets are off going into the next one. That also led to the possibility of this dramatic turn in the middle, which could also be a really powerful connection point between Kylo and Rey.”

“It would have stopped any of these scenes dead cold if he had stopped and given a 30-second speech about how he’s Darth Plagueis…It doesn’t matter to Rey. If he had done that, Rey would have blinked and said, ‘Who?’ And the scene would have gone on…and I’m not saying he’s Darth Plagueis!”

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13292923)
Kinda like Luke getting his light saber in extremis before he went to Yoda?

And your view that training montages would've made the movie better--I wonder why you aren't making movies?
So the only people who can criticize movies are directors now ?

Don't pull that ****ing card.

And Luke's 1st light saber duel went pretty haywire if you recall.

temper11 12-17-2017 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292873)
not only did it look reeruned she did it with zero training.
I don't know where all this need for training keeps coming from. Luke was able to BLINDLY deflect 3 blasts from a training droid with a lightsaber on his second attempt! How much training had he received before he was able to accomplish that? Virtually none. Obiwan tells him to reach out or something... that's it.

How much training did anakin receive when he, unlike any other human being - let alone a child - is able to compete and win in podracing? That's force users tapping into something they don't even understand.

How much training did the little kid have at the end of TLJ when he force grabs the broom?

But Leia does it and "Ohmygurd - no training!"

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 08:20 PM
It's good that the film is generating this much discussion. Wish you all could have heard the debate between my son and me. Stimulating stuff.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13292947)
I don't know where all this need for training keeps coming from. Luke was able to BLINDLY deflect 3 blasts from a training droid with a lightsaber on his second attempt! How much training had he received before he was able to accomplish that? Virtually none. Obiwan tells him to reach out or something... that's it.

How much training did anakin receive when he, unlike any other human being - let alone a child - is able to compete and win in podracing? That's force users tapping into something they don't even understand.

How much training did the little kid have at the end of TLJ when he force grabs the broom.

But Leia does it and "Ohmygurd - no training!"
I hate that little kid grabbing a Broom scene so damm much.

The Luke and Anakin being naturally good can be explained by the share fact they are ****ing skywalkers

You can't say the same about Ray she is just some rando nothing special about her what so ever.

Yet Disney gave her a pass to roll with the big guns in power level because every one was expecting some giant reveal so lets do the exact opposite of that so critics will love it.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13292964)
It's good that the film is generating this much discussion. Wish you all could have heard the debate between my son and me. Stimulating stuff.
If he liked Rey's back story and Snoke dying right off the bat I take your side.

temper11 12-17-2017 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292942)
So the only people who can criticize movies are directors now ?

Don't pull that ****ing card.

And Luke's 1st light saber duel went pretty haywire if you recall.
When did luke learn to force pull/grab? How was he able to summon his lightsaber to save himself from the abominable snowman? No such training took place. I think all this talk of training is oddly misplaced.

mnchiefsguy 12-17-2017 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292968)
I hate that little kid grabbing a Broom scene so damm much.

The Luke and Anakin being naturally good can be explained by the share fact they are ****ing skywalkers

You can't say the same about Ray she is just some rando nothing special about her what so ever.

Yet Disney gave her a pass to roll with the big guns in power level because every one was expecting some giant reveal so lets do the exact opposite of that so critics will love it.
Sorry, but this is just BS. Anakin was a nobody when he was discovered. So was Kenobi. Hell, the Skywalker clan only exists because Anakin broke the rules.

You see the Jedi as a ruling class with lineage, and that is what they are not.

Technically, it might not matter if Rey's parents were special......if she is a Kenobi, then it is her Grandfather that is special. It is entirely possible that Obi-Wans kid turned out to be a loser, and wound up dumping Rey for drinking money.

mnchiefsguy 12-17-2017 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13292991)
When did luke learn to force pull. How was he able to summon his lightsaber to save himself from the abominable snowman? No such training took place. I think all this talk of training is oddly misplaced.
Good point. Plus, Leia would really only need a slight pull to get her going....physics would then take over--a body in motion stays in motion.

Was the scene implausible? Sure. Did I hate it more than the balcony/romance scenes in ATOC? Hell no.

Leia was so good after that scene....if they kill her there they waste Carrie Fisher's last great performance. I will take the implausible slightly cheesing force floating for that.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13292996)
Sorry, but this is just BS. Anakin was a nobody when he was discovered. So was Kenobi. Hell, the Skywalker clan only exists because Anakin broke the rules.

You see the Jedi as a ruling class with lineage, and that is what they are not.

Technically, it might not matter if Rey's parents were special......if she is a Kenobi, then it is her Grandfather that is special. It is entirely possible that Obi-Wans kid turned out to be a loser, and wound up dumping Rey for drinking money.
if she turns out to be the grand daughter of Obi-wan I would be so happy

https://imgoat.com/uploads/3f390d88e4/67460.jpg

siberian khatru 12-17-2017 08:30 PM
So do we accept that Kylo was telling the truth about Rey's parents, or was he pulling an Obi-wan who gilded the lilly about Luke's father?

I loved the line about "You don't have a place in this story."

temper11 12-17-2017 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292968)
I hate that little kid grabbing a Broom scene so damm much.

The Luke and Anakin being naturally good can be explained by the share fact they are ****ing skywalkers

You can't say the same about Ray she is just some rando nothing special about her what so ever.

Yet Disney gave her a pass to roll with the big guns in power level because every one was expecting some giant reveal so lets do the exact opposite of that so critics will love it.
Why does there have to be some deep royal family force connection for you? Where was Anakin's force lineage from? No where. He was immaculately conceived from the force itself. So if the force can do that... why can't it also manifest itself in any damn person it wants too?

mnchiefsguy 12-17-2017 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293011)
if she turns out to be the grand daughter of Obi-wan I would be so happy

https://imgoat.com/uploads/3f390d88e4/67460.jpg
The option is open....force could have skipped a generation...or Obi-Wan's kid could have never discovered they had the ability...I mean Dad is gone, who knows where Mom was. Easy enough to explain a rough life for Kenobi's kid, and to create circumstance where they do less the desirable things, creating a hardship that helps form Rey into the strong person she is.

manchambo 12-17-2017 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13292942)
So the only people who can criticize movies are directors now ?

Don't pull that ****ing card.

And Luke's 1st light saber duel went pretty haywire if you recall.
Nice dodge of my actual point--that Luke also used the force to pull his lightsaber to him without training.

temper11 12-17-2017 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13293004)
Good point. Plus, Leia would really only need a slight pull to get her going....physics would then take over--a body in motion stays in motion.

Was the scene implausible? Sure. Did I hate it more than the balcony/romance scenes in ATOC? Hell no.

Leia was so good after that scene....if they kill her there they waste Carrie Fisher's last great performance. I will take the implausible slightly cheesing force floating for that.
Agreed. Although, my quick google search says that it's not all that terribly implausible that one can survive for a few minutes in space. Hollywood has always taught me that it is a quick and gruesome death if you venture outside in space with no space suit. That is apparently not true. Not even in our reality in which no such thing as the force even exists.

temper11 12-17-2017 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293025)
Nice dodge of my actual point--that Luke also used the force to pull his lightsaber to him without training.
Luke also was a farmer, working on moisture vaporators... not fending for himself and surviving on your own in a very harsh environment.

Silver spoon fed compared to Rey.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13293017)
Why does there have to be some deep royal family force connection for you? Where was Anakin's force lineage from? No where. He was immaculately conceived from the force itself. So if the force can do that... why can't it also manifest itself in any damn person it wants too?
I thought it's been established that darth plagueis made anakin.

I think the for a'lot of fans the split in this movie is during the Throne scene when Snoke dies and you find out Rey's parents are nobodies.

For some doing the exact opposite of what every one was expecting is an amazing move.

For others that have been reading and watching fan theories for 2 years it feels like a punch in the gut.

I fall in the latter category

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293025)
Nice dodge of my actual point--that Luke also used the force to pull his lightsaber to him without training.
Skywalkers being naturally talented in the force.

See Luke and Anakin.

manchambo 12-17-2017 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293044)
Skywalkers being naturally talented in the force.

See Luke and Anakin.
And Leia, Luke's twin.

Though it has been thoroughly shown to you that your blood line theory is nonsense.

What was Mace Windu's bloodline? Or Yoda's?

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293058)
And Leia, Luke's twin.

Though it has been thoroughly shown to you that your blood line theory is nonsense.

What was Mace Windu's bloodline? Or Yoda's?
We never know with Yoda cause Lucas is a dick and never even 100% descried his race.

And Mace Windu Trained his ass off to get where he was.

manchambo 12-17-2017 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293067)
We never know with Yoda cause Lucas is a dick and never even 100% descried his race.

And Mace Windu Trained his ass off to get where he was.
You keep trying to dodge the point, but to remind you, your complaint was that Leia used the force to return to the ship, you claimed without any training.

Your rejoinder to the fact that Luke did something similar without training? Bloodline--brilliant considering that they're twins.

And now, after it's pointed out that two of the most powerful jedis didn't share that bloodline, you go back to training. Though, of course, I never saw a training montage for Yoda or Windu.

Chiefspants 12-17-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 13292866)
Sure.

Things that should make you happy:
-Kyo Ren becoming more and more developed as a character
-The Battle of Crait
-Chewbacca eating a Porg
-Battle scene with Rey, Kylo, and Snoke
-****ing Yoda
-End scene with kid using force to get broom
-All force scenes with Kylo Ren and Rey
-Kylo Ren and Luke explaining WTF happened the night Luke thought about killing Kylo Ren
Luke's last stand gave me chills. Everything from his walk out alone to the realization that he was going to take on the entire first order with only a laser sword.

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293085)
You keep trying to dodge the point, but to remind you, your complaint was that Leia used the force to return to the ship, you claimed without any training.

Your rejoinder to the fact that Luke did something similar without training? Bloodline--brilliant considering that they're twins.

And now, after it's pointed out that two of the most powerful jedis didn't share that bloodline, you go back to training. Though, of course, I never saw a training montage for Yoda or Windu.
Leia used some unknown never before seen power at a very old age with assumingly no training what so ever.

it's a bit different don't you think ?

Chiefspants 12-17-2017 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293161)
Leia used some unknown never before seen power at a very old age with assumingly no training what so ever.

it's a bit different don't you think ?
Luke turned off his targeting computer, with no training whatsoever, and blew up the death star with a shot that a seasoned smuggler even said was "one in a million."

Egregious.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293161)
Leia used some unknown never before seen power at a very old age with assumingly no training what so ever.

it's a bit different don't you think ?
That wasn't an unknown power.

It was force pull.

You also "assume" she had no training. It's a bit foolish to assume that she had zero training in the 30 years since ROTJ.

manchambo 12-17-2017 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293161)
Leia used some unknown never before seen power at a very old age with assumingly no training what so ever.

it's a bit different don't you think ?
Not a physics aficionado, eh?

oaklandhater 12-17-2017 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293175)
That wasn't an unknown power.

It was force pull.

You also "assume" she had no training. It's a bit foolish to assume that she had zero training in the 30 years since ROTJ.
We can only assume since Rian gave us no back story what so ever.

and even if she did use force pull or whatever where did she learn to use some ****ing bubble/shield technique ?

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293237)
We can only assume since Rian gave us no back story what so ever.

and even if she did use force pull or whatever where did she learn to use some ****ing bubble/shield technique ?
At no point did she need to use a bubble or a shield.

As has been stated...humans can survive in space for a short amount of time.

You trying way too hard to explain the minutiae of a Star Wars scene.

It's space fantasy. Not hard sci-fi.

Please chill and enjoy the fantastical nature of the universe.

temper11 12-17-2017 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293044)
Skywalkers being naturally talented in the force.

See Luke and Anakin.
But if you can accept anakin, with no prior lineage, why not rey?

And if you believe this, then why have problems with leia using the force to save herself?

temper11 12-17-2017 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293085)
You keep trying to dodge the point, but to remind you, your complaint was that Leia used the force to return to the ship, you claimed without any training.

Your rejoinder to the fact that Luke did something similar without training? Bloodline--brilliant considering that they're twins.

And now, after it's pointed out that two of the most powerful jedis didn't share that bloodline, you go back to training. Though, of course, I never saw a training montage for Yoda or Windu.
Mic drop

FlintHillsChiefs 12-17-2017 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 13293185)
Not a physics aficionado, eh?
Eh, what? I'm loathe to defend Claynus here.

Physics-wise, there was nothing wrong with the Leia scene. Additionally, there was nothing wrong within the force mythology with what Leia did. Fact - you CAN survive in a vacuum for up for 2 or 3 minutes as long as you expel air from your lungs. Getting blasted by a cannon is going to naturally do that.

However, I do agree that they the way they visualized it could have been much better. It looked very Mary Poppin-ish or Superman-ish.

Now if you want to talk a scene that will make a physicist go "Wut", lets talk about the ships tumbling end-over-end after running out of fuel. That was really bad.

temper11 12-17-2017 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13293161)
Leia used some unknown never before seen power at a very old age with assumingly no training what so ever.

it's a bit different don't you think ?
Force push is never before used power? Wut?

manchambo 12-17-2017 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs (Post 13293248)
Eh, what? I'm loathe to defend Claynus here.

Physics-wise, there was nothing wrong with the Leia scene. Additionally, there was nothing wrong within the force mythology with what Leia did. Fact - you CAN survive in a vacuum for up for 2 or 3 minutes as long as you expel air from your lungs. Getting blasted by a cannon is going to naturally do that.

However, I do agree that they the way they visualized it could have been much better. It looked very Mary Poppin-ish or Superman-ish.

Now if you want to talk a scene that will make a physicist go "Wut", lets talk about the ships tumbling end-over-end after running out of fuel. That was really bad.
Uh, I think you need to re read what you're responding to.

temper11 12-17-2017 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs (Post 13293248)
Eh, what? I'm loathe to defend Claynus here.

Physics-wise, there was nothing wrong with the Leia scene. Additionally, there was nothing wrong within the force mythology with what Leia did. Fact - you CAN survive in a vacuum for up for 2 or 3 minutes as long as you expel air from your lungs. Getting blasted by a cannon is going to naturally do that.

However, I do agree that they the way they visualized it could have been much better. It looked very Mary Poppin-ish or Superman-ish.

Now if you want to talk a scene that will make a physicist go "Wut", lets talk about the ships tumbling end-over-end after running out of fuel. That was really bad.
Or bombs dropping from a bomber in a zero gravity environment. I am allowing myself to believe the rebels were creative with magnets to get away with that one.

FlintHillsChiefs 12-17-2017 09:57 PM
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Uh, I think you need to re read what you're responding to.
sorry if I misunderstood your sarcasm. My bad.

FlintHillsChiefs 12-17-2017 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13293267)
Or bombs dropping from a bomber in a zero gravity environment. I am allowing myself to believe the rebels were creative with magnets to get away with that one.
I didn't even think about that. Lets not get into the fact that a object with mass going as fast as light would probably destroy the entire universe. Another reason to hate the hyperspace-kamikaze

TambaBerry 12-17-2017 10:06 PM
Well that ship would have a gravitational pull so the bombs would drop to it

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 13293267)
Or bombs dropping from a bomber in a zero gravity environment. I am allowing myself to believe the rebels were creative with magnets to get away with that one.
ROFL

All good reasons why you shouldn't try to apply this level of minutiae to the science of Star Wars.

It doesn't exist within our laws of physics and never has.

temper11 12-17-2017 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13293303)
Well that ship would have a gravitational pull so the bombs would drop to it
I like this too.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 10:10 PM
full snoke/rey/kylo scene

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...d_snoke_scene/

temper11 12-17-2017 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293307)
ROFL

All good reasons why you shouldn't try to apply this level of minutiae to the science of Star Wars.

It doesn't exist within our laws of physics and never has.
And I don't really. Loved that scene too. A couple of little things I'd have done differently but nothing to cry about.

Tribal Warfare 12-17-2017 10:24 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/moviewe...ar-wars-canon/

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-las...an-easter-egg/

Chiefspants 12-17-2017 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293313)
So many don't realize how poetic this scene was.

It was vintage Luke. He didn't beat the emperor by striking him down with his lightsaber, he beat him by throwing his lightsaber away.

EDIT: Whoops, commented on the wrong leak scene. I was referring to his last stand.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13293348)
So many don't realize how poetic this scene was.

It was vintage Luke. He didn't beat the emperor by striking him down with his lightsaber, he beat him by throwing his lightsaber away.
Yeah, all Luke had to do was turn this lightsaber around 90 degrees...dumbass!

http://www.geocities.ws/mhtaylor67/i...j/saberemp.jpg

temper11 12-17-2017 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293387)
Yeah, all Luke had to do was turn this lightsaber around 90 degrees...dumbass!

http://www.geocities.ws/mhtaylor67/i...j/saberemp.jpg
ROFL

Chiefspants 12-17-2017 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293387)
Yeah, all Luke had to do was turn this lightsaber around 90 degrees...dumbass!

http://www.geocities.ws/mhtaylor67/i...j/saberemp.jpg
Luke didn't have the benefit of seeing Kylo's laser sword spin in front of him to give him the idea.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13293415)
Luke didn't have the benefit of seeing Kylo's laser sword spin in front of him to give him the idea.
Plus the Emperor wasn't really distracted at the time. I'm sure he would have sensed Luke trying to pull a fast one.

"Are you trying to spin this lightsaber next to me around, young Skywalker? Heh heh heh heh heh...you are a clever boy, but I was not BORN YESTERDAY!!!!"

BZZZZZZZZZTTTT

fairladyZ 12-17-2017 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13293415)
Luke didn't have the benefit of seeing Kylo's laser sword spin in front of him to give him the idea.
exactly... Didn't pick up on it until watching that scene again. Snoke was seeing what kylo was doing, but kylo was masking it and doing it with his light saber in one hand and the other hand turning rey's..... Very sneaky

FlintHillsChiefs 12-17-2017 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fairladyZ (Post 13293510)
exactly... Didn't pick up on it until watching that scene again. Snoke was seeing what kylo was doing, but kylo was masking it and doing it with his light saber in one hand and the other hand turning rey's..... Very sneaky
Oh for ****s sake. You guys are making up shit as you go along to justify your movie going experience.

fairladyZ 12-17-2017 11:01 PM
HUH?!?!

click the link and watch it for f sakes!

FlintHillsChiefs 12-17-2017 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13293307)
ROFL

All good reasons why you shouldn't try to apply this level of minutiae to the science of Star Wars.

It doesn't exist within our laws of physics and never has.
Another reason you are dumb as a bag of bricks.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs (Post 13293515)
Another reason you are dumb as a bag of bricks.
What?

What I said is exactly true.

Star Wars is full of shit that shits on our understanding of physics.

It's not important to the story.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlintHillsChiefs (Post 13293511)
Oh for ****s sake. You guys are making up shit as you go along to justify your movie going experience.
No, that's exactly what happened. He duped Snoke.

Clever boy.

Hammock Parties 12-17-2017 11:45 PM
Luke vs Kylo

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...lo_full_scene/

Goddamn...Mark and Carrie were so great at the beginning of this. I just cried all over again.

Also...yeah...

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I fully expected Luke to walk out and do some Force Unleashed crap and turn those AT-ATs inside out, and I was on the edge of my seat ready to groan and roll my eyes, but the way they did what they did was so in tune with Luke’s character.

His first lesson from Yoda was “wars not make one great.” His proudest moment was redeeming his father and his most shameful one was igniting his saber against Kylo. His proudest moment was putting away his saber and his most shameful one was igniting it.

Creating the projection to allow the Resistance to escape is the most Luke thing ever. It might not be as satisfying to our geekiness as seeing him ignite the green saber and kick ass, but it does the character right.


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