It matters to me, because it means that the judging is inept. It's either corrupt or incompetent. They should just adopt the Japanese judging system if they can't count correctly.

A draw always takes some shine off a great fight. I'm glad they didn't score it that way.

Not always, but I see your point. Do they have to turn their scores in after each round? I'm wondering if this is how we end up with these screwed up scores. I remember this being a problem in boxing.

I agree, the unified rules are garbage

To the commission headbody only.

Explain Japanese scoring rules plz.

No, I'm pretty sure they don't show scores until the end of the fight. I think it was the 3rd when I thought Shogun was done could have been a 10-8 round for Hendo so I think it was the right decision the way the scored it. I'd love to see it again since Hendo won't get a shot until after Machida and Evans at best. Maybe a shot at the Silva/Sonnen winner might be in the cards for him.

My bad, thanks. It's not that way in boxing right?

They make decisions based on the overall fight and outcome, in a nutshell.

Reference : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_m..._.28defunct.29

It is, theres only 1 Athletic Commission for each state, not separately for boxing,mma, ect.

It is my understanding that they judge the fight as a whole and not a 10 point must system?

Wow, that would be tough to score especially in a 5 round fight. I'd have to say the decision would still have been the same here.

Fresh Hendo pounding on Shogon > Gassed out Shogun laying on top of gassed out Hendo

The problem with that scoring system is that the latter rounds are probably weighted more, just because they are more fresh on the judges minds.

Yeah, like a street fight. The dude on top at the end wins regardless of what happened before.

They should look into using Fightmetrics, or at least providing them for the judges.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2011/11/...icial-ufc.html

Well, that is why there arent 5 rounds in japan :D

Do they still do a 10 and a 5 minute round like in Pride?

UFC bought Pride and pretty much dissolved the company. I remember Dream playing around with the 3 round system and even fighting in an octagon like cage with a nylon cage. I think that they are still using the 10/5 minute system now though.

Hard to give a defined answer to that, yes and no. DREAM has been messing around with 3x5 rounds but mainly the 10 and 5. Shooto, Pancrase, ZST, Jewel and other do too. ZST is ****ing weird though, they make their own rules, tag team mma champs imanari/tokoro ftw!

Got that vid yet brah?

http://www.fightvideomma.com/2011/11...son-fight.html



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Best fight of the year, those two were amazing

Mayhem should be embarrassed. He acted like a bitch during the fight.

That Brandao fight was great.

Dana and Zuffa should be embarrassed because Miller never should have been picked as a captain. Why do you think Zuffa put the coach versus coach fight on the finale?

It was planned from the beginning to have one coach that was not PPV worthy.

George St-Pierre blows out ACL. May be out until up to 2013.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ycn-10623607

:(

Diaz vs. Condit for interm belt.

No, that was not Mayhem. Something went wrong, he must have had an addrenaline dump. His striking is much better than it was in that fight.

Wow.

GSP is a pretty quick healer, I expect him to fight around August next year

anyone know of a stream for 141? I haven't missed a ppv before 100 even but I am sick and can't make it out so wondering if anyone knows a site?

Drink some of dat purple.

Streams I would check are here http://www.firstrowsports.tv/sport/boxing-wwe-ufc.html and here http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/6540...%80%93-2nd-Jan) I am sure someone will be along shortly for the pay 3 dollars forum for a stream as well.

Should be a great card.

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wow never thought Fitch would lose like that

Check out this pic from the weigh in with Brock Lesner. If that guy came charging I'd ****ing run, fast and screaming like a little girl. He kinda looks like Bwana's cousin Crazy Cousin Tony which would be the advised response as well.

http://twitter.com/#!/StuPidass0/sta...391168/photo/1

Anyone just watch the Nate Diaz fight? holy ****

No, summary plz.

I never seen someone take so many punches to the face. Nate Diaz won all 3 rounds fairly ****ing easy! Cerrone has a ****ing chin though. He took a beating.

really? cerrones got good stand up. he got pounded thattt much?

15 min of non-stop punches and kicks.
Both guys had their moments, but Diaz was definitely the better man tonight.
He was just overwhelming Cowboy, just like Nick does.

Nice, thx.

Brock Needs to retire. He's just not a MMA fighter. TIme to head back to WWE

Brock's a bully that has been able to live off his size. Now he's seeing guys who aren't really impressed with his size, and don't give him the chance to wrestle. He's overmatched.

And Brock's done. He's paid as ****. He doesn't care enough anymore.

It also has to do with his disease, his midsection is to beat up for them knee's. He's not a mma fighter, but im sure that didnt help either.

Brock will be alright, head back to WWE and make millions a year.

Anybody who watches k-1 knew how this fight was gonna end, not a shocker, complete dominance by ubereem

Otter you'll be happy to know Overeem sent Brock packing into retirement with a liver shot(kick) a la Bas Rutten...lol

love the reference, but bas is a moron ROFL

so Shogun do you think 5 fights this year for Cerrone may have been too many? He looked much slower tonight than in past fights.

Eh, not really, hes been able to keep the pace thus far, He said he got Headbutted by his horse very recently, which is why his mouth was wide open the entire fight, that kind of shit messes with your pace and cardio really badly, breathing goes wrong, a lot of other normal functions goes wrong, take that into account, that and the Diaz brothers both have some of the best if not the best Boxing in MMA and he basically pressed the **** out of Cerrone the entire first round, not giving him much time to improvise a better gameplan or adjust really. I dont think the time of fights or amount has very much to do with it, JMO.

I can't stand those Diaz bastards. Hopefully they start getting this asses handed to them before long.

Those ****ing meat heads like Brock are antiquated. That's not a build by any means for PROFESSIONAL fighters with guys who have a good BJJ background and striking skills.

He's playing '77 Chevelle musclecar in the days of Porsche.

I like Brock but the guys done, never expected him to win. He'd kick my ass and 95% of the people in the world but when it comes to those boys who do this for a living and are hitting a bag and practice ground game and submission holds ...see anderson silva for any future refernce you need.

Actually Mayham Miller is a VERY good build if he ever decides to put behind the MTV shit and take the game seriously again.

I've said this before, I know MMA a little bit and if Brock went ape shit on me or you (unless there's something I don't know about you) we'd both be duck shit. He didn't make it to that ring by accident, he's just out dated with the elite crew.

I missed the post fight about the horse headbutting. He looked off tonight but I agree about the Diaz brothers hands. He was very accurate tonight. Everything he threw landed on Cerrone's chin..lol

Brock looked like he didn't want to be there from the time he made his entrance. At least in prior fights he pretended to think he was a bad ass on the way to the ring.

I know it always fun to play this game, but what does Jon Jones do against the HW elite?

Ever Since the Carwin fight where he finally got hit he has looked like he isnt a fighter, good decision to retire. Oh, what? Dana White owns the UFC? Oh, okay. Brock will be back in a year to fight Mir, they'll hype the shit out of it and sell it.

so who you got between Overeem vs. Dos Santos? Does Dos Santos have the speed to stay away from Overeem and miss the big punches?

could be but I think Brock tasted pain he hasn't felt before tonight. The grimace he had on his face when he went down:doh!:

Hard to say, hes gonna have to move up eventually. Id really have to see what the Hw division evolves into after tonight and see who steps up, but i'd say right now he would probably win a lot

I think JDS takes Overeem into deep waters and drowns him. Carrying that 265 jacked up muscular frame is going to cause him to gas early IMO in a 3 round fight let alone a 5.

Its gonna be pure striking. I say Overeem by ko. JDS is no Badr Hari.

What does he probably walk around at, 230?

Brock is nothing but a joke.

shitty thing about getting liver kicked is that the pain lags, it doesnt hit you immediately, it just makes you buckle. woulda gotten anybody

a very rich joke:p

Id say he bulks to 245 over time, his frame is perfect for about 235-345

'77 Chevelle trying to roll with 2012 Porsche.

Exactly

now there's a scary thought..that size with the speed he has and the skills

He'd probably still be the most talented fighter in that division then. I would say the big question would be the ability to take a shot from a HW if he ever gets caught with one.

Yeah, I believe Overeem started at 205 so put that body on Jones :eek:

Overeem is not just your normal beast, he stands right the **** in front of his opponents begging them to hit him, he is the k1 champ and had a ****ing legendary run last year in k1. and had a pretty good 09, lost to my favorite k1 fighter ever Remy Bonjasky. The only downfall with reem, i havent seen it lately, but he likes to turtle if he gets hurt, hes taken a lot of damage at points in k1 but never turtled, so maybe thats over, but hes really a complete fighter right now, and its really hard to see anybody beat him.


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thats still really up for question, Machida hit him, but they werent really clean shots. I think he'd be alright

Bonereem

That main event was weird. I dunno if Brock got the wind knocked out of him or if he was hurt from the surgery. Either way it just seemed that he already made the decision to retire before the fight even started. Not to take anything away from Overeem, it just seems that Lesnar hasn't been the same since the Carwin fight. He doesn't need the money. I've always rooted for the guy because I was a fan of his in WWE and he's a freak of an athlete. Dana White has to be disappointed that his cash cow just went out the window.

One cash cow leaves, another enters. Brock wasnt hurt from the surgury, said he was 100%, he just simply got outclassed and destroyed by a far better fighter.

post fight presser

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/12/3...ference-video/

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Thanks for that vid. Tonight was the second time I've got to see Overeem fight. The other was in the StrikeForce tourney. Never got to see him fight in K-1. He's got some wicked muay thai clinch. Knees are devastating.

and he got some big ass knees!

The only thing weird about it is that some people think that Brock stood a chance against some of the best trained fighters in the world. Surgeries and knocked-out wind had nothing to do with it, he took a couple knees to the mid section and a K-1 kick to the liver.