The year that Aaron Donald was injured for over a third of the year?

Chris Jones has 2 double digit sack seasons in 7 seasons.

Aaron Donald has 6 in 9 seasons (2 of those less than 10 being in his first 3 seasons, the other being last year when he was hurt)

These are not the same player.

Even if Jones was better last year, Jones was never as good as prime Aaron Donald.

I'll probably get crucified on here for this opinion, but Chris Jones and 3x DPOY Aaron Donald do not have the same impact on their relative teams. Aaron Donald was a substantially better DT than Chris Jones when he got his contract, hence why he basically made 50% more than the 2nd highest paid at the position when he extended (31.6M AAV vs. 20M AAV)

This is literally why everyone says Jones is the best DT in the game not named Aaron Donald, and this is why I cannot willingly justify paying them basically the same in my mind. Because Aaron Donald when he received that contract was not just the best DT in football, he was one of the greatest defensive players of all time.

The man literally has the same number of DPOY awards as Lawrence Taylor did. To act as if Jones is equal is short-sighted, and only looking at a one year dataset.

Yes Donald dropped off last year because of injury, and that contract looked bad because of it, but it still doesn't change how good he was when he got that contract.

Chiefs have about $50m in cap space next year at this time, and that's prior to what I expect will be a Joe Thuney extension.

If you tag Jones, you still have lots of room to party in free agency. You also get a half dozen teams willing to pay Tyreek Hill-sized deals to us for him.

I don't know the arguments that are going on behind closed doors, but the Chiefs have got to be considering that at this time.

Can anyone confirm the tag amount? Heard $30 and have heard $20'ish from even "experts" on tv.

Also I think Veach has to at least put Jones availability out there now for teams to bid on. Never know if a team will come in with a crazy offer.

I'd look at Washington or Lions IMO.

I just saw someone getting a police escort to Missouri Western State University.

IT MIGHT BE HAPPENING!!!!

That’s a lie

I strongly agree. If CJ is stuck at 30 this makes way more sense whether you tag or tag and trade.

You really gonna just keep continually exaggerating everyone's stance endlessly?

I've already said to pay the man, but if we end up having to do something different after this season, for some odd reason I trust Veach and company to get it right. I dunno maybe its just me.

Its not like they stopped trying to draft defensive impact players since Jones became an All Pro.

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well... you're wrong.

I would say Kelce hurts super bowl chances far more than Jones. The offense is designed around Kelce.

Now, if we have three of the WRs emerge as legit high end players (skyy, james, rice, toney or Ross), then that changes things quite a bit.

Do you have a tweet confirming it's a lie?

No, that's definitely what I saw.

Chris Jones has a very large domino effect on the defense in a multitude of different ways. Lets take a look at his double team rate and his effectiveness against double teams:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Double team rate at defensive tackle (x) by pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (y) for the 2022 NFL season.<br><br>(ESPN / NFL Next Gen Stats) <a href="https://t.co/wXJS0c5CdV">pic.twitter.com/wXJS0c5CdV</a></p>&mdash; Seth Walder (@SethWalder) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1613948311043543059?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not only is Chris Jones amongst the highest double teamed defensive tackle, he is by far and away the most effective at winning through a double team. What this does for the Chiefs is a couple of different things:

1- Allows their edge rushers more 1 on 1 matchups. I think this point is particularly important because our edge rushers are so young. I think it gives them a better opportunity to develop their technique and allow them success early on at the NFL level.

2. A higher sense of predictability against other teams protection schemes. Not many teams are going to give Chris Jones a 1 on 1 matchup on 3rd and long. If you understand where the protection or help for the guard is coming from, it is easier to scheme pressure. Spags I think has done a really good job of this, especially last season.

3. Allows the Chiefs to rush 4 more often with success, which gives the secondary more bodies in coverage.

You'll see games where Jones doesn't have the splash plays or lights up the stat sheet but I guarantee you the attention he draws week in and week out allows other players easier matchups so they can shine.

The only real knock on Chris Jones is that he isn't a fantastic run defender. I think the games against the Bengals in which we've lost in the past is because their offense has done a nice job in staying ahead of the sticks and being in manageable down & distances. Signings like Brandon Williams, Danny Shelton or draft picks like Nnadi & Saunders (pure run defender + space eater) are because the Chiefs need a DT to be paired with Jones that can compliment him nicely. This defense is designed to rush the passer and get pressure on the QB, we just got to get to 3rd and 7+.

A few of us have discussed this in the draft forum. The Chiefs are on the cusp of being on par with the greatest dynasties in NFL history and Chris Jones needs to be on the roster for us to do that. We are in a Super Bowl window, and although we were able to mitigate the loss of Tyreek Hill, I don't think we have the players on defense to make up for the loss of Chris Jones.

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Maybe he was double-teamed because of the edges he played with. He's by far and away the best lineman on the team, but I think the gap has a lot to do with the lack of pass-rush talent around him than him being that great.

I'd rather the Chiefs let it ride this year with his contract and let Jones walk next year than sign him to a 30 mil a year contract at 29. If he were 26, I'd be willing to listen, but not in a 3rd contract at 29 years old.