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alnorth 10-07-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974335)
Much closer? It's still just Arkansas; it's not going to kill Mizzou based on geography.

And yeah, an SEC move will hurt Mizzou's TX recruiting, but it will help it in other parts of the south. Was Mizzou the best option in the XII outside of TX before Pinkel came? Of course not, it was right alongside KU and ISU - remember? Pinkel made Mizzou an attractive destination while he was building that pipeline.

There's no reason he can't build another one.

You're good at your job or you aren't. Gary Pinkel is very very good at his job and he'll do just fine getting the programs recruiting bases back up to speed in the SEC. Especially if the XII implodes and the TX schools end up distributed in a bunch of different conferences anyway.

I'm sorry, but kids in the deep south are not going to Mizzou in any significant numbers. For Mizzou, it is going to be Texas or bust, and in the SEC it will probably be bust.

eazyb81 10-07-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7974333)
Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

DJ's left nut 10-07-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7974331)
Do you think MU fans will be more happy in the SEC or in the days where they were playing in Big 12 title games and beating Nebraska? I know that MAY not be an option now.

I think they'll look back on the 2005-2010 run as one of the brighter ones in the program's modern history.

They'll also recognize that the ship has sailed and that if they want to actually build off that burst of success, they need to seize on the momentum to try to build their program further.

There is no conference in the country that can give you a better platform from which to develop a football program than the SEC. Can Mizzou make the leap? Who knows - perhaps not. But they'd be absolute fools not to try it.

Frazod 10-07-2011 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7974344)
Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

What was the final score the last time we played Arkansas? I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be them that day.

BigCatDaddy 10-07-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7974334)
So the 7th to 9th best teams in the SEC can finish a season top-12 nationally?

No. But the 7th -9th overall best program can finish that high in a given year. They may have a great team one year and finish top 3-4 in the conference, but still in general not have as good of a football program on the whole. KU finished 7th in 2008, so yes I think A&M, Arkansas, or MU can finish top 12 if they have a great time or few breaks leading to a great season.

DJ's left nut 10-07-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7974337)
And I doubt you can find one Arkansas fan that regrets the move.

Why?

Because winning a bunch of games against shit opponents in a shit conference is less exciting than playing great games in the best conference in the country.

That and the whole "Southwestern Conference blowing up" thing.

Yeah - getting the hell out of the SWC was a pretty good idea for the Hogs.

alnorth 10-07-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7974342)
ROFL LMAO ROFL ROFL LMAO


Being in the SEC has absolutely ZERO percent change of hurting a program's recruiting.

Hell yes it does, for Missouri. If you are a school in the deep south or Texas, then the SEC may help or at worst be a lateral move. Missouri will take a hit. If you are in Texas and you want to play with or against the 4 Texas Big 12 schools, Missouri is basically option #3, maybe #4 at worst.

In the SEC, Mizzou is so far down the list you won't even be able to see them in the pitch-dark hole, behind just about every other SEC team other than maybe Kentucky and a couple others.

mnchiefsguy 10-07-2011 11:25 AM

KC Sports Commission took out an full page ad in the Star today to beg Mizzou to stay:

http://findnsave.kansascity.com/Loca...ission/2819870

-King- 10-07-2011 11:26 AM

Wouldn't the florida recruits offset the texas recruits we would lose if we left the big 12?
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alnorth 10-07-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7974344)
Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

how in the holy hell do you expect kids in Texas or the deep south to go to Columbia, other than being a talent that virtually no one else in the SEC wants?

You think you can win in the SEC with just Missouri kids?

BigCatDaddy 10-07-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974347)
I think they'll look back on the 2005-2010 run as one of the brighter ones in the program's modern history.

They'll also recognize that the ship has sailed and that if they want to actually build off that burst of success, they need to seize on the momentum to try to build their program further.

There is no conference in the country that can give you a better platform from which to develop a football program than the SEC. Can Mizzou make the leap? Who knows - perhaps not. But they'd be absolute fools not to try it.

Fair enough. However, can you not envision MU fans becoming frustrated after a season or two of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC after that five year run in the Big 12? I understand where you are coming from and you might be right, I'm just telling you what will happen with the masses IMO.

alnorth 10-07-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 7974358)
Wouldn't the florida recruits offset the texas recruits we would lose if we left the big 12?
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Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

DaKCMan AP 10-07-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7974353)
Hell yes it does, for Missouri. If you are a school in the deep south or Texas, then the SEC may help or at worst be a lateral move. Missouri will take a hit. If you are in Texas and you want to play with or against the 4 Texas Big 12 schools, Missouri is basically option #3, maybe #4 at worst.

In the SEC, Mizzou is so far down the list you won't even be able to see them in the pitch-dark hole, behind just about every other SEC team other than maybe Kentucky and a couple others.

Question for you: Who has a better football program right now, West Virginia or Missouri?

beer bacon 10-07-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7974363)
Fair enough. However, can you not envision MU fans becoming frustrated after a season or two of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC after that five year run in the Big 12? I understand where you are coming from and you might be right, I'm just telling you what will happen with the masses IMO.

You're making an assumption that we will finish in the bottom half of the SEC when there is no evidence to support that.

Pants 10-07-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974291)
Uh...they didn't - remember?

Boren made it clear that OU would have taken off to the PAC if the invite was there. It wasn't, so he stayed. And the reason it wasn't was because UT wasn't going to come without major concessions that nobody in the PAC would make.

Without UT, OU just wasn't all that interesting to the PAC. Though at least it does appear that you can join KU fans screaming about the anchor schools holding you back.

The reason it wasn't there is because OU is packaged with OSU.


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