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mnchiefsguy 10-07-2011 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7974309)
No shit.

Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.
I think it was Dak earlier in the thread pointed out that a higher percentage of SEC teams have been to the title conference game than Big 12 teams. The way I see it, the top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the BIG 12, but mid-level teams in the SEC are tougher by a fair amount. I think Mizzou can adjust and compete with the mid grade teams, and maybe occasionally take out one of the big dogs. I don't see Tiger football being in the bottom of the SEC.

DJ's left nut 10-07-2011 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7974298)
What are you talking about? I said MU would probably be about 7th or 8th in the conference most years. Arkansas is about the 7th best program in the conference so I'm giving you that you can be Arkanas. What I won't give you is LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and probably South Carolina. MU can beat a good team in a given year ,but I just don't see them as even being more then the 7th-8th best football program in the conference. Will they have some years they might creep up to a 4th or 5th place finish? Possibly, but they possibly could have some years where they drop to 9th or 10th as well.
MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.

BigCatDaddy 10-07-2011 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7974306)
So, what you're saying is that MU can be a current top-10 team while in, by far, the best college football conference?
After 3 or 4 games, yes I think they can in a given year. But the more that I look at the more MU looks like the 9th best program in the conference overall in the SEC.

kstater 10-07-2011 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by icepick64 (Post 7974155)
I doubt mizzou regrets moving to the SEC. Look at arkansas, they sure did build that program up, mizzou will do the same thing.

If mizzou is an arkansas in several years, i think that would be considered successful.
What? Arkansas won like 13 conference championships before joining the SEC, they've won 0 since.

Bambi 10-07-2011 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7974310)
Sorry, but if you spends thousands of dollars on season tickets for baseball, or any other sport for that manner, just about anyone with common sense would classify you as a fan of that team. Either that or incredibly stupid for lighting that much money on fire.

You just don't want to admit you are a Yankees fan. Which is funny, because as hated as the Yankees are, they have a history that their fans certainly can be proud of.
I had season tickets when it was at the old stadium. And that was only for two years and it was shared with a few other guys.

The new stadium is a joke and I've only been like three times.

Didn't go once this year.

Citi I went to about 4 times this year. It's practically free.

Just like the old Yankee Stadium was.

DaKCMan AP 10-07-2011 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7974317)
I think it was Dak earlier in the thread pointed out that a higher percentage of SEC teams have been to the title conference game than Big 12 teams. The way I see it, the top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the BIG 12, but mid-level teams in the SEC are tougher by a fair amount. I think Mizzou can adjust and compete with the mid grade teams, and maybe occasionally take out one of the big dogs. I don't see Tiger football being in the bottom of the SEC.
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974318)
MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.

Considering Florida, Bama, and LSU are a combined 10-3 in BCS bowls while OU, UT, and Nebraska are a combined 7-7.. I"m going to go with the top of the SEC being more than a little better than the top of the Big XII. :D

eazyb81 10-07-2011 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7974314)
Yes, it's very tough winning conference titles and playing for national titles all the time. Nice trolling attempt though.
Tough? You have a great football program, maybe the best ever. And even with that, the PAC still wouldn't take you. That has to hurt.

BigCatDaddy 10-07-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7974318)
MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.
Do you think MU fans will be more happy in the SEC or in the days where they were playing in Big 12 title games and beating Nebraska? I know that MAY not be an option now.

alnorth 10-07-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7974311)
Still can't win? Do you even follow football?

Arkansas was in the Sugar Bowl just last year. They are a top 10 team right now. Petrino is one of the highest paid coaches in the country because Arky is a big time program.

Saying Mizzou could become Arky as if it is some type of insult shows how clueless you truly are about all of this.
Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

DaKCMan AP 10-07-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 7974322)
After 3 or 4 games, yes I think they can in a given year. But the more that I look at the more MU looks like the 9th best program in the conference overall in the SEC.
So the 7th to 9th best teams in the SEC can finish a season top-12 nationally?

DJ's left nut 10-07-2011 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7974301)
Arkansas has a much closer proximity to the deep south and Texas. They get an OK number of recruits and still can't win. Mizzou gets their Texas recruits because they are the best Big 12 option after UT/OU and they play against 4 Texas teams. Texas kids who want to play against Texas A&M or for the SEC will have Mizzou pretty far down their list. Just about every major SEC team from Bama to Miss to Auburn to LSU would have to say no before they settle for Columbia.

Leaving for the SEC is going to crush Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.
Much closer? It's still just Arkansas; it's not going to kill Mizzou based on geography.

And yeah, an SEC move will hurt Mizzou's TX recruiting, but it will help it in other parts of the south. Was Mizzou the best option in the XII outside of TX before Pinkel came? Of course not, it was right alongside KU and ISU - remember? Pinkel made Mizzou an attractive destination while he was building that pipeline.

There's no reason he can't build another one.

You're good at your job or you aren't. Gary Pinkel is very very good at his job and he'll do just fine getting the programs recruiting bases back up to speed in the SEC. Especially if the XII implodes and the TX schools end up distributed in a bunch of different conferences anyway.

BigCatDaddy 10-07-2011 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7974329)
Tough? You have a great football program, maybe the best ever. And even with that, the PAC still wouldn't take you. That has to hurt.
No, even if that is the way it went down personally I want OU to stay in the Big 12.

eazyb81 10-07-2011 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7974324)
What? Arkansas won like 13 conference championships before joining the SEC, they've won 0 since.
And I doubt you can find one Arkansas fan that regrets the move.

Why?

Because winning a bunch of games against shit opponents in a shit conference is less exciting than playing great games in the best conference in the country.

alnorth 10-07-2011 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 7974309)
Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.
Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.

DaKCMan AP 10-07-2011 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7974338)
Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.
ROFL LMAO ROFL ROFL LMAO


Being in the SEC has absolutely ZERO percent change of hurting a program's recruiting.


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