Sounds like you like punting, dinosaur.

How am I punting exactly?


And you're the dude that likes punting and hates elite offense, not me.

Man crush continues to build for Legette.

Raw AF as a route runner, i know. But those physical tools, that speed/size combo and what plucking ability he has....jeez....at the very LEAST he hits the ground running as a Deebo Samuel type.

4.39 with THOSE ****ing quads? Yeeesh.

I am intrigued.

But Deebo was already getting open in college. Will have to watch more to decide where I value him.

Feels like we already have that guy in Rashee Rice

Roman Wilson sounds like an ideal fit for us. Good size, excellent athleticism. Shit man look at his scouting report LMAO

Strengths
-Explosive speed to stretch the field and stress the coverage.
-Driving acceleration rockets him past man defenders.
-Much more sure-handed and natural as a pass-catcher in 2023.
-Defenders struggle to stay with him when play extends.
-Good post-catch acceleration on West Coast routes to hit big plays.
-Competitive and focused when catches become contested.

If he came in a 6 foot 200 plus player, but that dude was just ok when he was playing in the Michigan system.

I like Legette alot. He's a bit redundant with Rice, but who ****ing cares.

I watch him and here's what i see:

A player who has enough speed to get downfield, as well as create on his own on shorter routes with his combination of speed and power.

His highlights demonstrate a player with good high point ability. Ability to hand pluck. Hands looks strong. He can get the ball high, he can go low and get it too. He can win with both speed as well as body positioning using his size.

Numerous clips of him just straight up outrunning guys to the end zone once he has the ball in his hands. Rarely does it seem like he gets pulled down from behind, and rarely does he NOT get YAC.

Cons:

Not a fluid athlete. Sometimes a bit clumsy even. Not twitchy. Raw as a route runner.

I dont love him like i loved a George Pickens, but damn his tools are enticing. They're great tools for a 2nd/3rd day kinda guy.

This is where I get into some things that some don't seem to like here.

I wouldn't be a fan of Leggette as the only addition to the room. But what you're looking for in the 2nd/3rd round is alot different than a first round type.

It's also why it makes it tough for me to single out a guy I like early. After the first 3, any certain one I like, there's a similar guy later that isn't quite as good, but the drop isn't enough for me to overlook.

Especially if I can have another good prospect early and that guy later.

Quadzilla with some stretch armstrong that looks like he runs a legit low 4.4 on the field.

I also come back to what this regime tends to look for in WR's. I just don't know that they want anyone who may continue to struggle as a "route runner" if they're not fast.

Atleast with some of the guys, if they don't develop, you've got speed.

Every year i end up crushing on one of these later round WR's. Last year it was Trey Palmer, who didn't have a great statistical year playing behind Evans and Godwin, but he did make some damn nice plays for them.

This year my crush might be Legette, lol.

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Every time I saw Palmer highlights during the season I thought about you lol.

Love Legette too. I'd probably even be ok with taking him at 32 if they did.

Not gonna be able to block, gets jammed at the line. Dude is 170 lbs soaking wet.

Idk man. I’ve seen these speedy small guys fail too much. Andy Isabella, Calvin Austin, Tutu Atwell etc that don’t really provide that.

I feel like the value of that position with limitations makes it not worth a 1st rd pick to me. I really want some size to go with my WR’s now. We saw smaller guys like Toney and Hardman build up injuries while bigger WR’s like Rice seem to be able to play through shit more often.

Legette did nothing at all for four years.

I mean nothing. Not even Skyy Moore production.

I am extremely skeptical.

I'm not sure that really has as much to do with size as it does with mentality.

Didn't realize that he used to play QB, so it's entirely possible that he was just REALLY raw. I mean, he still is.

I agree. I want a wr with a competitive nature. He didn’t compete for 4 years and then blows up. That’s a red flag for me.

I wonder how our offense would look with AD Mitchell and Keon Coleman as X and Z, using rice as the big slot and Kelce as Y2. I feel like they are attainable at 32 and 64. If we trade Sneed, we should still end up with ammo to obtain a tackle in the early second.

This is interesting to me. Coleman had the 2nd fastest go route time of 21.71. Only Brian Thomas beat him. Did worthy, Mitchell, Rome, Franklin participate in this drill? How would Coleman out run all those guys on these drills? See image below.

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https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/17...264529412?s=20

Here’s another interesting video.

https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/17...962663064?s=20

He had the fastest Gauntlet speed also.

Said it before, I think the kids a football player not track star.

I'd be stoked to have him!

I think Coleman and Legette might be the best red zone threat WRs within range.

Isaiah Williams flipped the switch in a year after playing QB in college for 2 years with half the physical traits. It's more than that.

Will someone just ask the kid already what the deals was?!

lol I'm sending him a DM on behalf of Chiefsplanet fanship on IG.

Sent. Let's see how well his agent's schooled him lol

Kollmann speaks on XL’s slow development and breakout (thread):

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ve been doing a lot more work on Xavier Legette this week to figure out the &quot;late breakout&quot; question mark. Unfortunately, this young man has had to go through a lot in his life to get where he is today and I think it&#39;s a testament to his character that he IS here.<br><br>��... <a href="https://t.co/rGgu5SsWsm">pic.twitter.com/rGgu5SsWsm</a></p>&mdash; Brett Kollmann (@BrettKollmann) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrettKollmann/status/1765408810414571845?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've never been overly concerned with the late breakout, but yea, Kollman lays it all out very well.

Honestly, I've always been more concerned with his age and the fact that he's still pretty raw.

He's easily my top WR of the round 2 guys though, and I'd be ok with him at 32 if that's the direction we go.

I dug into some of that context around his late breakout early in the year. I didn't know about the situation with his parents.

I think his slow development/late breakout is one of the outliers you can put to the side and not worry quite as much about.

Especially when the guy is a freak of nature.

He's not going to all of a sudden no longer be 220 with sub 4.4 speed.

He had a breakout SEASON, meaning he was elite over the course of several games, not just one.

I really think the late bloomer stuff is overblown with Legette, regardless of the possible reasons behind it.

You've got a full season of elite production on tape to go with elite measurables. I really don't care what he did before his breakout season.

Noting that ESPN has Xavier Legette at #31 on their updated big board post combine.

I'm a career salesperson, I regularly see folks who are in the wrong situation change to a new manager, team, comp structure, geography, life partner, or whatever and they become highly productive. There are a lot of variables that could've contributed to his lack of production that we're not privy to so folks are naturally skeptical. I'm not holding it against him, but I'd like to hear how he articulates his growth and jouney to overcame whatever challenges he faced. Sent a IG DM and an email to his publicist for us from Chiefsplanet.com lol, would be a lot of fun if he responds. So far I've heard that he's converted from QB, had some family issues, and trained relentlessly in the offseason to make a push for the NFL his 5th year.

If you consider a younger guy like Keon Coleman, who produced what ~650 yards last season in college, he really hasn't broken out yet at all. Sure, he's displayed a much higher floor but Legette has the "hot hand" now and is potentially demonstrating he's ready to make an impact sooner than other WRs in this draft. He's at least "broken out" on the college platform which you can't say for all of the top 15 WRs. Some have pedestrian numbers. ****ing Ladd McConkey only had 480 yards last season and people are suggesting he go in the first round!? WTF!?

I think AD Mitchell is my first round target. The guy had great tape against the best competition. He moves the chains and has speed to burn. Excellent leverage manipulation to create separation. Good in congested situations.

Opposite him, we should take a crack at Legette if he hits middle of round two. I really think he could be a DK Metcalf type. That leaves Rice as the big slot. That's a shit ton of cost controlled talent to keep the Chiefs offense potent for the next four years. Maybe take a flyer on guerendo as a foil for Pacheco

The conversion from QB is intriguing to me, as we've had several productive players at skill positions who were former QB's - including Kelce and McKinnon.

For the late-bloomer stuff, I could see them possibly drawing comparisons to Cornell Powell who had the same questions coming out, and he never put it together. That said, XL is in a different stratosphere in terms of ability. Just gotta make sure his head is right, and I'm sure the interview process and whiteboarding will help clarify a few things.

saw this one further down in the thread re: his Junior year


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">motorcycle accident during 2021 szn hindered his junior year development as well.<br><br>But to your point of XL’s resiliency, scored the game winning TD against Vandy a month after</p>&mdash; Wyman Baxley (@WymanBaxley) <a href="https://twitter.com/WymanBaxley/status/1765421991358517387?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I made a spreadsheet but can never figure out how to imbed.

Here's a breakdown of the WR's within reach who have had a breakout 1k+ season, are 6 ft+, and run sub 4.55 40s:

Thomas Jr*
Franklin
Legette
Polk
Baker
Pearsall~
Walker~

Pearsall and Walker can also be considered for having near 1k seasons in their college careers and being in the conversation for RD 2.

Negatives:

-Let's say Thomas is out of range.
-Which of these guys have drop concerns? Franklin and Walker.
-Which of these guys showed some issues at the combine? Franklin.
-Which of these guys would be stuck as a slot? Pearsall.
-Which of these guys has made zero noise? Baker and maybe Polk who's under-appreciated currently.

Positives:

-Which of these WRs shined at the combine? Legette and Thomas Jr.
-Which has Big Playmaker ability? Legette, Thomas Jr, Franklin.
-Which of these WRs has the best physical gifts? Legette and Thomas Jr.
-Which can we hit in the screen game, deep, and has plus man to man skills? Legette, Franklin, Walker.

...I'm just arguing that there's a case to be made for the kid is all. Would be fitting to fix our miss on DK for XL! But it better work out lol

13 Deep Catches = 7 more than Worthy, who he's 50 lbs heavier than and only .1 sec slower than

He plays slot, outside, and the screen game, plus i'm pretty sure he's an effective blocker at that size.

85.6% grade against man coverage, he gets open.

10 contested catches at 47.6% rate, he can go up and muscle for the ball.

Only 2 drops all season at 2.7% drop rate.

His body is NFL ready and Andy can scheme for him.

Just my .02c

Yeah, there's a lot to like with Legette. Great clay to mold there.

When looking at college production, I do think it's important to consider the system and QB a receiver was playing with when looking at things like "how many deep catches."

Quinn Ewers was pretty underwhelming throwing the deep ball, from what I gathered watching him and reading about UT. Probably one of the reasons they were able to ambush Alabama - Ewers made plays/throws down the field that he hadn't put on tape very often. Kind of like that Raiders win against the Chiefs in 2020, when Derek Carr supressed his inner Alex Smith and went bombs away on us.

You want verticals and crossers? Legette is your guy. It remains to be seen if he can run any other routes with NFL precision. I like him, but I wouldn't count on him blowing up as a rookie.

Fair! Again, not that I think he's our savior or anything but a couple of additional arguments in his favor while we're on the topic.

1) His size and contested catch advantages might make him productive without being the most precise route runner. Maybe. That's what folks argue for Coleman anyways.

2) I don't think we need a guy to do what Rice did last year, and have near 1k yards. We need a playmaker, a guy Andy can get the ball to and make something happen to give us an occasional spark. What we expected from Toney.

I'm not interested in reading Brett Kollman. Someone give me ultra-brief Cliff's Notes.

8 tweets.

Probably also worth noting that Rattler was only there for XL's Junior & Senior year.

Damn. That's a lot. Respect to the guy.

I lost my parents young as well so I get how that hurts, but this just looks like a pile of very ****ing shitty excuses that don't add up to just doing ****ing nothing for 4 years.

I dunno if I'd be A+ experiencing what he has, to be honest. I'm glad staylor made the point re his production for a full season. Sometimes there's guys that breakout late just because they're physically more developed than everyone. Not sure that's the case with Legette. I guess my take is, sure, ask questions about the previous years, but i don't want to let that override everything he's done this year.

Also, I realise you're not angling for sympathy but regardless I'm sorry to hear that about your parents.

funny fact on worthy--if you doubled his weight (165 lbs at combine) he still would weigh less than longhorn teammate dvondre sweat (366 lbs at combine)

I know that I will get killed for this, but when I watch Ricky Pearsall, I see Justin Watson. A slightly more athletic Watson, but still Justin Watson.

The first set of numbers are RP, and the second is JW.

Height: 6'1” - 6'2”

Weight; 189# - 215#

Arm: 30.875” - 33.75”

Hand: 9.25” - 9.25”

40: 4.41 - 4.44

Vertical: 42” - 40”

10 yd split: 1.57 - 1.53

Broad Jump: 10'9” - 10'4”

3 Cone: 6.64 - 7.08

20 yd shuttle: 4.05 - 4.26

Bench: 17 reps* - NA

All I saw were highlights, because I didn't see a Gator game this year, but I see Justin Watson in the way he plays.

I am not saying it's a bad thing, but I feel like a lot of people think he is a super dynamic player, and I just don't see that.

I think he would be fine in the slot, but it feels like he plays at 4.55 speed to me, even in college. With the speed the NFL game is played, it feels like he would look even slower. He has tremendous hands though.

Watched Javon Baker again. I feel like he plays faster than his 4.53 time. But maybe some of that is competition level.

I'm giving Crow his roses on Worthy because that would be an excellent late round 1st pick. Just don't think he should move up to top 15 because of his 40

I think he legit looks faster than 4.53. His 40 caught me off guard.

I want to like Worthy more than i do. /shrug.

I have concerns about him being a one-trick-pony. Because again, aside from angle-breaking speed, he didnt display a whole lot of much else at any significant quantity. And he's a bit stiff for a guy that's so slim and light.

I still think he's an early 2nd round guy, despite his 4.21. I think he'll be there when the Chiefs pick. I don't think the Chiefs will need to move up for him if they want him.

I think Worthy is the guy at 32 if he's there. I just can't see the Chiefs passing up on him.

He had elite production at Texas against quality competition. I don't really have concerns about whether his game will translate to the NFL or whether he's a fit with the Chiefs. It seems obvious he'll be a playmaker here.

Found the good shit.

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Ok, this is just wrong. I am wrong about this, lol.

Major clue alert.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> HC Andy Reid mentions on the WR situation that the team needs guys who can play off Travis Kelce. Mentioned Sammy Watkins, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Byron Pringle as past examples. Said that Rashee Rice grew into that last year.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1765806241454989666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This quote, IIRC, is from the Florio/Simms interview from last week.

No, not a clue. Reid was explaining that that was what was missing early on, and as Rashee Rice grew into that role, the offense began to click more.

You can probably bet Rice will continue in that role next season. What the Chiefs dont have on the roster right now is a field stretcher to run the safeties out.

I wasnt a X.Worthy guy, but im warming up to him after watching that 53 minute video that detailed all of his targets.

Worthy takes the top off. The way defenses played him in college....the cushions they gave him out of respect for his speed. Quite frankly, a lot was left on the bone due to his QB just missing him streaking down the sidelines. His speed alone will create more room for Rice/Kelce to work off each other underneath etc.

Yeah...the speed is nice. I think he would be a nice mid level target as well.

I'd love to add a vet FA plus one of these young WR's int he draft.

Who comes to mind for you when you read this?

I'm thinking of guys like McConkey, Walker, or Burton. Feels like coach is saying we want a guy who can win in the middle range with route running.

What do you think?

I got about 15 minutes into that video and his stocks going up in my book. The good with the bad actually was beneficial. When ewers is good wotrhy is great. He looked smoother on a few screens than expected. He has a nice shimmy when he gets some blocks. In a nutshell he looks more complete than what just the highlights showed.

Totally agree.

His highlights don't do him justice as to the kind of player he is and can be.

Some cons popped up too, but that's ok. Im more sold on him today than i was yesterday. I think the DeVonta Smith comps are pretty spot on.

I would rather have Mitchell, whose game seems eerily similar to taller, faster AJ Brown to me. Overall, this board is way too low on him imo.

I think Worthy compliments what we have in place better. Rice can eat up the underneath and middle of the field. Worthy is quick enough to threaten the entire field but that insane 2.2 can only help Rice and Kelce be more productive.

We can get field stretchers from any number of places. Mitchell is a better football player. 40 pounds heavier, nearly as fast, much better craftsmanship at creating separation. Excellent tracking. He reads defenders and adjusts his routes to exploit them. He's my number four, even ahead of BTJ. Watch the Alabama game - I feel like you get a complete picture of who he is from that game.

Here's a simple question around a guy we've neglected a bit....

If we go OT in RD #1 and Polk is there at #64, how do you feel about that pick?

Who do we like most between Corley, Rice, Thrash, Corley, and J Wilson?

I would make the argument that Corley is a great fit for us, but maybe not so much for other teams.

He's kind of a blend between Rice and McKinnon, bc he's a tough over the middle YAC type blended with a pass-catching RB. He could be a versatile weapon for Andy and Pat, I could imagine him in an Antonio Robinson or Deebo role. I think his skill set, I think his special stat is like 8.4 yards after contact lol crazy!, would translate to early production. I could imagine getting him the ball in the redzone a bunch of different ways. Maybe we don't need a 1k+ WR that runs a 4.2 with super crisp routes, maybe we need a guy that we can scheme a mismatch for and get a TD whenever we want yr 1.

I don't see anything like the physicality of AJ Brown there.

I think he's got a shot at being a good player but I don't agree with the comp at all.

Here's the same thing for Mitchell.

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I like Corley a lot. I heard some teams asked him to try out as a RB during the combine though, your thoughts on him being a better fit here than elsewhere may be accurate.

To me, XL is the AJ Brown of this draft. They are the exact same size, and I saw a little AJ in his tape, maybe more so than I saw DK.

Wondered if he got hurt, or bc he's a tweaner his agent told him not to participate, but he was at the combine just decided not to go... any word on that?

How about Javon Baker? 90% player comp to Rashee Rice, do we double down on a good thing?

Depends on free agency, but right now, what the offense needs is a dependable speedster to take the top off the defense. You have the medium depth targets in Rice and Kelce. You need a guy that can run 'wasp', so to speak.

How I look at the draft really depends on free agency.

If we go get Hollywood Brown, who is a 4.27 guy himself, then you have a speedster not too dissimilar to Worthy who can play outside and stretch the defense. With him, I'm not likely to look that hard at moving up or even necessarily getting a WR in 1. I'm probably looking at a slightly bigger slot guy or inside/outside guy.

If we instead go with a guy like Mooney, I see him more in a slot role primarily, more so than the move Z guy. Now I might look for a little more outside firepower a little earlier. That's where I'm looking at a guy like Franklin or Worthy or even moving up for a Thomas, though I think we might be surprised with how early Thomas goes.

Late pick on Tahj Washington?

USC, 5-10, 174 lbs, 4.43. 1k yards and 8 TDS, 90% deep threat rating. 66% contested catch rate, 80.4% man to man separation score. Elite 3.06 yards per route run, 8.6 YAC, only 1 drop last season.

An excellent blocker on the outside, Washington also adds value in the running game. Very good hands, accepts the ball fluidly on most throws and is ready to make a play afterward. Makes catches in traffic, even going up over taller defenders with vertical and toughness.Fluid athlete with explosive burst and speed to stretch the field and breeze past defenders. Has a quick first step and gets to top speed in a hurry. His long arms allow him to play bigger than his size, and he has a frame that can carry a little more weight. A savvy, natural pass-catcher with reliable hands and very good focus. Snatches the ball out of the air and shows the concentration to make acrobatic catches look easy. Although he is more of a possession target than a field stretcher, he fiercely competitive demeanor and run-after-catch ability make him a major threat in the middle of the field.

Outplayed his teammate Rice Jr, but not getting any love?

Heard that Mahomes texted Xavier Worthy right after he broke the record.

He'll be great for the first play right up until he gets snapped in half. Size concerns aside, he is certainly a better receiver than Rice.

I figure he's a poor man's option if we want to avoid spending our premium pick on a guy like Worthy.