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The 'one guy is going to win this for us' has not proven sustainable. It will be a group of playmakers, that can't be keyed on. The only place where KC is reliant on ONE GUY is at QB, and that's just fine. |
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4th and 9 bomb against the Ravens in 2018 4th and 1 conversion from Henne in the 2020 Divisional vs the Browns We had a big 3rd down conversion to ice the game @ Tampa Bay in 2020 that went to Hill His long TDs @ LAC early 2020 and vs the Browns in week 1 2021 really sparked the comebacks in those games I'm sure there a ton more that are escaping me at the moment. Hill made a lot of plays for us, many of them in big moments. |
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Alex Smith put him on the map. |
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**** it, Tua is back there, somewhere...
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Chiefs trade Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins
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I'd say they wanted Hill to play out this year, franchise tag next year, then trade him potentially next offseason. He would have been pushing 30 by then. It came a year sooner than expected. I heard Hill threatened to hold out and that sealed his fate. It was an absolute shock at the time but Veach's draft last year was special, including the Zeus trade. It was the right move.
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If we are unpredictable and spread the ball around and run the ball this is going be a much more balanced and potent offense than before. I think Patrick can get 60TD 5500 yards *17games* You're clearly underestimating what Patrick Mahomes can do and he is now in his prime years and this year be more ready for what ever the defense throws at him. Go ahead doubt Andy Reid and doubt Patrick Mahomes. Last 5 years we have the most wins 60 of all NFL and you can't tell me credit Hill for all 60 of those wins. Yes a lot of them yes he gets credit but it's the mind of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes will to win games. |
I didn’t want this trade but in the long run it’s about opening Mahomes 2nd Super Bowl window. Can’t delay it to long or it could be his last prime window.
With this idea of going through draft we are at least salted for 4 total SB windows in Mahomes career. (Window being 2-3 year windows were talent is high and cap hit isn’t) |
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Alexsexuals, Hunters, Hillites, still no Badgeretts
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It's hilarious that people try to paint defenses choosing to change their entire defense and coverages specifically for Hill as not only a problem, but a Hill problem.
Guys if you have a guy that forces defense to play him differently, you have the opposite of a problem. Don't blame Hill for the rest of the offense not being able to figure out how to exploit a defense that was selling out to stop one player. |
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I don't underestimate his contributions but in this league change is constant. He could get hurt again any player can get hurt and you have to adjust at a whims notice. Other players have to step it up in order for it to work. If they don't step it up then you are absolutely correct. Either way we needed to get the defense better or we will get clobbered because we can't stop Carr and Devante how embarrassing that would be. I agree with you giving up Hill sucks but it was the choice that was forced on Bleach . HILL wanted out and he wanted too much money that our cap space couldn't hold to sign other players positions than his. Hill isn't the entire team but if you pay him what he wanted we would have been ****ed for several years and on top of that next few years he will start to decline in his skills. He had the second most drops 13 in the NFL. He wasn't as consistent and some of his balls were tipped for interceptions. Right now we got three pretty good WR and the best TE and this is going be a dominant offensive line and a couple backs that will split the load and surprise how good they are. Last year we started out sucking but ended up winning the division and hosted the AFCCG for the 4th time. We may or maynot be so good this year but at least in this draft we can get guys that will help us dominate for the next 5 years and open up the window for us to win another Lombardi or two. Will we miss Hill absolutely, can we adjust and win without him absolutely. Can Vlearch get players too help us win championships well just got to see how it plays out. Having 8 picks in first 4 rounds is pretty good odds to come away with some nice talent. |
Tyreek had some really bad drops last year on easy passes, at least one that cost us a game. Maybe that's just an aberration, and he's still an all-pro even with the drops. But if it becomes a trend that would be concerning.
Obviously this isn't enough to just decide to get rid of him. But it could be enough for Veech/Reid to ask if we really want to make this guy the highest paid player in the league. His catching balls in traffic seemed to drop last year too. About once a day I fantasize about Tyreek timing his jump better on that last play vs. the Bengals and getting his body in front of Eli Apple to make the catch. It would have been a great play. But he's made those plenty of times in the past. Obviously most of that is still on Mahomes, he was really trying to thread the needle on that throw with no margin for error. |
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JUST HOW THE **** DO YOU KNOW MAN? HE's ON A 10 YEAR DEAL and will likely still get extended beyond. Tyreek wasn't going be with us for all of Mahomes contract. You don't know who else we can get. You don't know how our defense is going to perform and you don't know how each year we will be. Our window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl is every GOD DAMN YEAR WE HAVE PATRICK MAHOMES. Tyreek had 13 drops second most in the NFL and some tipped balls that went for interceptions. He wasn't isn't the greatest WR in the league. If he was he would have came away with the ball instead of the Bengals defender have it. YOU simply just made me hate Tyreek. Just how the **** do you know we won't have a better opportunity to win Super Bowls? The Chiefs did exactly what the Patriots do to players just before they decline and trade them for draft stock. We can get right back to the Super Bowl may not this year because I don't think our defense will be as good but it sure wouldn't be as good keeping Tyreek then teams would just drive down and keep our offense off the field so Tyreek would be defacto. We need to boost our DLine and Edge and a CB to keep our defense good enough so that our offense can score points and our defense keeps the other team from out scoring us. The winner of the game is the team with the most points if our defense allows the other team to out score us we lose. It's like Patrics rookie year when we played the rams sure we scored a lot of points but so did the rams and they beat us because they made a defensive play and we did not. I don't know because I'm not Nostradamus but I bet odds of winning more Super Bowls with Patrick Mahomes than odds of winning Super Bowls for Miami with Tyreek Hill. |
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You want to win Super Bowls with Mahomes? Build the team sustainably over the long-term and make every season a pretty good shot at breaking through. The team's going to look and play different. It's going to be built different. You're acting like because Hill isn't around, there's no way important game-winning plays can get made by any other player at any other position. |
I’m interested in seeing what the offense will look like with an actual WR corps and not just one damn good one.
Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle really held this team back last year. They couldn’t consistently beat single coverage and that seemed to really slow us down . I think Juju and MVS are much better talents that will help as long as we can get a viable WR this next week through the draft |
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Collectively, this is the best offensive talent he's had since 2018 to play with. |
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There has been a tendency to feed Hill no matter what; now, is that Andy? Or is that Mahomes? My eyes tell me it's Mahomes. Some of that is likely because of the huge drop-off in ability with the lesser WR's. In 2021, Hill averaged 11.2 yards per catch. That's not explosive. Is it due to his talent? No, it's the defenses being deployed to stop him. Does it matter, though? No, not really. The results are the results. Mahomes is otherwordly talented, but there are still some tendencies that need to be curbed. One of which is the desire to just feed Hill and land the kill shot every play. Too much hero ball. It's just not a sustainable offensive plan, we saw it a lot last season, and it destroyed the team in the AFCCG. It's entirely possible that an offense that does NOT have Hill may be more efficient, spreading the ball around more, and breaking KC's own tendencies. An evolution, if you will. From 'hero ball' to 'The Terminator'. Relentless. Everywhere. Every blade of grass threatened from every angle. |
imagine if Hill doesn't drop the pass in OT vs the Bengals. What's the conversation we are having?
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From today’s Ringer article.
“Now the Packers and Chiefs both have four picks within the first two rounds of the draft, and while they likely won’t find anyone who can match Adams’s or Hill’s production one-for-one, even replacing 80 percent of their production at 10 percent of the cost is a good return on investment. Plus, there’s always the outside chance they will hit on a massive talent, as the Vikings did with Justin Jefferson in 2020, a month after they traded Stefon Diggs to the Bills.” |
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The chances of us doing those things now, with almost 2 draft classes worth of picks and a lot of cap space: pretty good. And we were only giving up 2 or so years of peak production from Hill. Speed players don't usually drop off gradually. He will probably be effective in the league for several more years, but elite production from Hill is predicated on elite speed which doesn't usually last beyond 30. The clock is ticking on that. It was the right move. |
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TY Hilton started declining severely in his age 29 season, similarly sized. |
Was at a benefit concert for ALS yesterday and they had a signed Chiefs helmet of Tyreek. Oof talk about poor timing. It did take $500 though from a gal I know from KC.
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Our rivals desperately traded away for high cost players and gave away draft picks and they are going have to pay the Piper.
We traded away a player that in a couple years won't be near as effective and we gained draft capital and saved a got the Patrick Mahomes State Farm discount on Cap space. Although i think we are contenders this year because we have the best quarterback our defense is going take more time to develop so I'm curbing my enthusiasm although next year and next 5 years we should have an open window to win the Super Bowl. Every year we have a chance with Patrick but that window opened for the next five seasons with this draft if we hit on some defensive guys mostly that can get after the quarterback. |
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You don't think they contemplate a few moves ahead before acting? I sincerely hope the front office isn't taking every decision one at a time. |
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Sell the farm. Its over. |
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The one I'm talking about was very similar, but in overtime, and it would have won the game. Instead, he ran out of bounds and let "one of the guys" finish it. It's just a mindset thing. When it was early, he went for it. When it was all on the line, he bowed out. I hope to see more of the former this year, but in those big moments. |
So far this is what we’ve got from the trade so far:
Trent McDuffie Skyy Moore Darian Kinnard 2023 4th and 2023 6th-TBD Cash for a big signing-TBD Well so far a starting corner, WR and potentially RT |
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Does anyone else think RedDawg is a huge ****ing dipshit?
Imagine declaring we "won" this trade before any of the rookies we took with the picks even played a down.. |
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Would like to add, that I think we should not get comfortable with thoughts that good receivers will be around for more than a rookie deal for a while.
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Of course we won the trade.
So did Miami. So did Tyreek. It made sense for all parties to do what they did. It's a trade, not a zero-sum game. |
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Reek won, and that part is over. MIA may yet lose. That part we can reasonably surmise over time. As far as us. If we win going away, it will be easy to surmise. If we lose, it becomes murky because we'll never know what we could have been with Reek. |
Too early to be declaring any winners.
0 games have happened since the trade and while Tyreek got more money it could cost him a gold jacket in the end. |
The trade is over. The trade was over BEFORE the draft.
"It's too early" is about judging what the parties do with the opportunity in front of them. They are separate things. If I sell my 1994 honda civic for $200,000, I won that deal, right? If I then spend that $200,000 losing lottery tickets, did I somehow NOT win the deal for my Honda Civic? Of course not. I just wasted my resources. If the person who bought my honda civic sells it for $199,500, did they retroactively make a good deal when they bought it from me? No. They just managed to recover from their mistake. Yay. You have to separate the deal from the management of acquired resources after. |
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5 picks for a WR is insane, especially when your QB is Tua. |
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Hill even admitted as much in his press conference . . . . . . |
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Again, I’m paraphrasing, but that’s the gist of it. I interpret that as he knew he was leaving a Super Bowl team to go to another team, not because they offered him a lot of money, but because they offered him a shitload of money. Not really sure what other way you could interpret that. I love Tyreek and appreciate everything he did for KC and wish him luck. No ill will here. But make no mistake, he absolutely chose money over winning by leaving KC to go to Miami. Doesn’t make him a bad person, but that’s the reality. |
Hill didn’t win. He may think he did now, but he’ll remember what the good ol’ days were like as he’s watching KC win multiple Super Bowls from his couch.
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It’s crazy to think about but after we see this years offense it could prove that Tyreek was holding us back from what we could be
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1) Tyreek was our best skill position player on offense while he was here. 2) The Chiefs can be a better more balanced offense without Tyreek. Both of these things can be true. |
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I'm ok with Hill moving on. I wish he could/would have stayed, but he wasn't going to fit here any more with the amount of money he wanted. It's a business and that's just how it goes. He did great things with the Chiefs and I wish him continued success except against the Chiefs or at the Chiefs' expense.
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Best you can do is say it made sense for all parties, which appears to be somewhat true. |
People who smeared his name comes to the press conferences in KC. A SB ring(s) won't wipe away that reminder. I'd want out too
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Good luck Tyreek. You’re gonna need it
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Can I see the pill please? The dude had career highs in targets receptions, and also interceptions caused and it still wasn't enough? Without this dude in Pat's ear, causing him to hold out for the Tyreek Hill highlight, instead of taking a wide open 10-15 to Kelce, or just move through the progression, we should see a drastically more decisive and efficient Patrick Mahomes. I said it when it happened, and I still believe that the exit of Tyreek Hill was addition by subtraction. |
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