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chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9270852)
It is going be harder and harder each year to find a "protypical" QB you are looking for. College coaches have found success using the spread option and with mobil QBs to run it. The future of the NFL is shifting to what college is producing for them to take. The NFL has to adjust like it is trying to do. Get ahead of the curb if you can while you can. I think we are looking at a new era ahead of us for the future of QB play in the NFL and it starts with what college teams are doing. Spread option QBs are going be a novilty item imo.

I don't think the mobile QB is or ever will be a viable option unless the guy knows how to read defenses and throw the ball. Geno could be a nice balance because he's more mobile than the average QB. But the fact is that Andy Reid's defense for years are not well suited for a pocket QB because his o-lines have been pretty bad in a lot of years he's coached.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270860)
Prepare for the lynch mob to come out in full force.

No matter how shitty he played at times, there's always an excuse for it.

Yeah, welll, **** 'em.

There's a big difference between passing on and/or not making an easy move for a Franchise QB, and FORCING a guy into that position, just because.

Smith at #1 overall feels like a MASSIVE reach on January 3rd, 2013.

Thig Lyfe 01-02-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9270828)
Dude why are you acting like such an ass.

I'll just copy frank here.

Players look for money, coaches look for fit.
And who gives a **** about Manning?
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Peyton Manning

Mr. Flopnuts 01-02-2013 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270868)
If Andy Reid is the coach, I'll trust whatever QB evaluations he has.

This.

doomy3 01-02-2013 08:27 PM

We've come full circle. Guys who called anyone who wasn't enamored with Sanchez and Clausen "scared of drafting a QB" now don't see Geno Smith as a legit prospect.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-02-2013 08:27 PM

Tyler Wilson will have a better NFL career than Geno Smith and Matt Barkley.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270870)
ROFL

Why is that funny?

Hammock Parties 01-02-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270855)
I don't give a ****.

The guy isn't Newton or RGIII and he's definitely not Luck. He's not even Andy Dalton.

Do you really think Cam Newton was a better passer coming out than Geno?

The dude had ONE season in college.

Geno is a fantastic prospect.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270882)
Yeah, welll, **** 'em.

There's a big difference between passing on and/or not making an easy move for a Franchise QB, and FORCING a guy into that position, just because.

Smith at #1 overall feels like a MASSIVE reach on January 3rd, 2013.

So who you taking then?

doomy3 01-02-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270882)
Yeah, welll, **** 'em.

There's a big difference between passing on and/or not making an easy move for a Franchise QB, and FORCING a guy into that position, just because.

Smith at #1 overall feels like a MASSIVE reach on January 3rd, 2013.

This sounds word for word what I was saying about Sanchez in 2009.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270890)
Why is that funny?

Because Geno is a vastly superior prospect to Andy Dalton.

Chiefaholic 01-02-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 9270776)
only read half of your post but decided to quote it anyway.

Excuse the **** out of me for having a life outside the internet. Mega threads suck for this very reason. And thank you to the couple guys who answered my initial question.

RunKC 01-02-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270843)
I have seen absolutely nothing from Geno Smith this season that screams "Franchise QB".

IMO, from what I've seen, he's just a guy.

Thank you God I'm not the only one that thinks this.

He's the proclaimed messiah of this board and he's NOT, I repeat, NOT RG mother****ing III.

His stats are embellished.

O.city 01-02-2013 08:29 PM

I guess now a Qb has to be a future HoF'er to be drafted first overall, or atleast thats what I've been told.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9270887)
We've come full circle. Guys who called anyone who wasn't enamored with Sanchez and Clausen "scared of drafting a QB" now don't see Geno Smith as a legit prospect.

Yep.

Hammock Parties 01-02-2013 08:30 PM

Cassel is Trent Green 2.0, and Geno Smith isn't worth our time.

- Dane

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9270899)
Thank you God I'm not the only one that thinks this.

He's the proclaimed messiah of this board and he's NOT, I repeat, NOT RG mother****ing III.

His stats are embellished.

Again, not one of the people that like Geno have said he's RG3. NOT ONE.

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270872)
You don't think Andy Reid understands the importance of the QB?

I don't know the answer to that. I'm asking why people think it's a slam dunk that he does.

This is a guy that has gone with Jeff Garcia, Michael Vick, Kevin Kolb, and eventually Foles as his go-to guys since McNabb. If we go by recent track record, why wouldn't you think he'd consider going with a retread veteran QB? Or engineer a trade for Kolb, Cousins, or Flynn? That seems more consistent with what he's done recently.

Rasputin 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9270859)
Relax. Reid is incredibly interested in this job. How do I know? He spent 9 ****ing hours talking about it. There is a lot of mutual interest. Reid is doing his due dilligence. I'd bet money he will be the next Head Coach of The Kansas City Chiefs.

Funny how money has a way to pursway change someones mind about going somewhere.

This is Clarks deal to get done.

O.city 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

Speaking of RGIII, did anyone notice that he just QB'd a game where he barely threw for over 100 yards and won?

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

I love everything about Geno. Even after reading all the articles about him. I love seeing him try and audible and play games with defenses. I like his arm strenght and you cant coach or teach his accuracy

jd1020 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270875)
NOBODY here thinks he's RG3. NOBODY.

Sorry, poor choice of words... I meant "better than RG3."

Strongside 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

Damn, it's hotter than a free clinic up in here.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 9270887)
We've come full circle. Guys who called anyone who wasn't enamored with Sanchez and Clausen "scared of drafting a QB" now don't see Geno Smith as a legit prospect.

I thought Stafford was a potential Franchise guy and Sanchez was going to be very good.

Fast forward four years and the Chiefs still don't have a QB, the Jets don't have a QB and there are serious questions in Detroit about Stafford.

The more things change...

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9270905)
I don't know the answer to that. I'm asking why people think it's a slam dunk that he does.

This is a guy that has gone with Jeff Garcia, Michael Vick, Kevin Kolb, and eventually Foles as his go-to guys since McNabb. If we go by recent track record, why wouldn't you think he'd consider going with a retread veteran QB? Or engineer a trade for Kolb, Cousins, or Flynn? That seems more consistent with what he's done recently.

How many times has he had the #1 overall pick?

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9270899)
Thank you God I'm not the only one that thinks this.

He's the proclaimed messiah of this board and he's NOT, I repeat, NOT RG mother****ing III.

His stats are embellished.

Embellished against the same defenses that RG3 put his numbers up against?

Were RG3's stats embellished?
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Exoter175 01-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270861)
**** Ferentz and **** you for even being on board.

I'm sorry that you seem to think the Chiefs are a more high profile club right now than we are, and you don't believe we need a serious talent evaluator to come in here and put the best team together because we stand next to no chance of bringing in big time free agents. My bad.ROFL

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9270869)
Im sorry but **** whoever wants Ferentz....19-19 last 3 years in a weak Big Ten

'08, '09, '10 3-0 in bowl games.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9270911)
Sorry, poor choice of words... I meant "better than RG3."

Not sure I can think of a single person that thinks that, either.

ILChief 01-02-2013 08:32 PM

Tajh Boyd is closer to RG3. I'm not sure who Geno compares to

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning (Post 9270903)
Cassel is Trent Green 2.0, and Geno Smith isn't worth our time.

- Dane

That is not exactly what I said. Are you afraid to quote the entire post or something?

O.city 01-02-2013 08:33 PM

Anyone notice what RGIII's old college team did on offense this year?

Red Beans 01-02-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9270916)
I'm sorry that you seem to think the Chiefs are a more high profile club right now than we are, and you don't believe we need a serious talent evaluator to come in here and put the best team together because we stand next to no chance of bringing in big time free agents. My bad.ROFL



'08, '09, '10 3-0 in bowl games.

Ferentz is your serious talent evaluator?

jd1020 01-02-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270918)
Not sure I can think of a single person that thinks that, either.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=6326

You should probably gander through the Geno thread.

I even mentioned that Geno does not equal RG3... ohhhh the backlash.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270913)
I thought Stafford was a potential Franchise guy and Sanchez was going to be very good.

Fast forward four years and the Chiefs still don't have a QB, the Jets don't have a QB and there are serious questions in Detroit about Stafford.

The more things change...

So you were wrong about both Stafford and Sanchez. At least you're 3 for 3. :p

(I was wrong about both of them too.)

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9270905)
I don't know the answer to that. I'm asking why people think it's a slam dunk that he does.

This is a guy that has gone with Jeff Garcia, Michael Vick, Kevin Kolb, and eventually Foles as his go-to guys since McNabb. If we go by recent track record, why wouldn't you think he'd consider going with a retread veteran QB? Or engineer a trade for Kolb, Cousins, or Flynn? That seems more consistent with what he's done recently.

All of those guys played their absolute best football with Reid sans Garcia who was about 45 that year.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-02-2013 08:34 PM


Strongside 01-02-2013 08:34 PM

I wonder if anyone has checked to see if anyone is even alive in that meeting room anymore. Maybe there was a gas leak...

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270896)
Because Geno is a vastly superior prospect to Andy Dalton.

That's great! Unfortunately, every single time he's shown on the West Coast, WV and Smith shit themselves.

RunKC 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270904)
Again, not one of the people that like Geno have said he's RG3. NOT ONE.

The hell if they didn't.

Sac and others were trying to spew his shit about why he is just as good as RG3 and it's right here.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...63890&page=428

ILChief 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

Murray might be a good fit for a Reid offense

RunKC 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 9270929)

I ****ing love you right nw Mr. Tomohawk.

*No homo.

Ceej 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270922)
Anyone notice what RGIII's old college team did on offense this year?

Are ALL of your posts questions?

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9270925)
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=6326

You should probably gander through the Geno thread.

I even mentioned that Geno does not equal RG3... ohhhh the backlash.

That post is LITTERED with qualifiers. In no way does he say "Geno is better than RG3, period".

O.city 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

RGIII's college team was better on offense this year than they were last year.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 08:35 PM

I like the kid from Florida St too

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270926)
So you were wrong about both Stafford and Sanchez. At least you're 3 for 3. :p

(I was wrong about both of them too.)

I was in on Sanchez, but I called Stafford cutler's little brother.

He acted like a crybaby quite often at Georgia. Had the same mannerisms
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Chiefaholic 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270913)
I thought Stafford was a potential Franchise guy and Sanchez was going to be very good.

Fast forward four years and the Chiefs still don't have a QB, the Jets don't have a QB and there are serious questions in Detroit about Stafford.

The more things change...

Those afraid to fail, never succeed. You draft a QB, possibly two in this draft. If it doesn't work, you try again and again till you get it right.

O.city 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9270937)
Are ALL of your posts questions?

Gets more talk that way. Stimulate the mind.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270926)
So you were wrong about both Stafford and Sanchez. At least you're 3 for 3. :p

(I was wrong about both of them too.)

Yep, I was wrong. No doubt.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9270940)
I like the kid from Florida St too

EJ Manuel?

Notsureifserious...

jd1020 01-02-2013 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270938)
That post is LITTERED with qualifiers. In no way does he say "Geno is better than RG3, period".

So he doesn't say "Geno is better than RG3 at this stage?"

Ok...

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270914)
How many times has he had the #1 overall pick?

That's a fair point, but that's a different than saying "Andy Reid understands the importance of a QB." If he understood the importance, he would have tried a little bit harder than what he's done since McNabb. And even the best of the guys he brought in, Vick... it's not like they brought him in as some marquee move. They brought him in because nobody wanted him and he was brought in for the price of peanuts.

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9270932)
That's great! Unfortunately, every single time he's shown on the West Coast, WV and Smith shit themselves.

no d. It does crazy things to a competitor
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kcxiv 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 9270942)
Those afraid to fail, never succeed. You draft a QB, possibly two in this draft. If it doesn't work, you try again and again till you get it right.

Yep, i dont see the big deal. Its better then trading for someone who we all know is going to fail. AT least give a rookie a shot. WE will still be in the same position as if we traded, but at least we will have a glimmer of hope with the rookie.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270868)
If Andy Reid is the coach, I'll trust whatever QB evaluations he has.

Not me. I'm going to have my own thoughts and opinions and stand by them.

Doesn't mean I won't give benefit of the doubt. But the dude will need to earn my trust with what he does in KC.

No evaluation years, either.

O.city 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9270936)
I ****ing love you right nw Mr. Tomohawk.

*No homo.

Why don't you post more in the Tyler Wilson thread?

Rasputin 01-02-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9270879)
I don't think the mobile QB is or ever will be a viable option unless the guy knows how to read defenses and throw the ball. Geno could be a nice balance because he's more mobile than the average QB. But the fact is that Andy Reid's defense for years are not well suited for a pocket QB because his o-lines have been pretty bad in a lot of years he's coached.

Then I am going to say you are going to find it harder to find a viable option as college is just not producing stand in the pocket QBs these days. Colts got lucky with Luck.

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9270948)
no d. It does crazy things to a competitor
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So the defense is to blame for why Smith tailed off the 2nd half of the year.

C'mon now.

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 9270946)
So he doesn't say "Geno is better than RG3 at this stage?"

Ok...

"Geno Smith is a better prospect at this stage" and "Geno Smith is better than RG3" are two completely different statements. Nice try though.

chiefzilla1501 01-02-2013 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270928)
All of those guys played their absolute best football with Reid sans Garcia who was about 45 that year.

Let's not sugar coat this for what it isn't. Reid's history with QBs hasn't been good post-McNabb. I'm not saying that means he's a terrible judge of QB talent. But it's reason to give pause.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270945)
EJ Manuel?

Notsureifserious...

Ya maybe in rd 4. He's big, fast and maybe Reid, if hired, could work some magic

htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270955)
So the defense is to blame for why Smith tailed off the 2nd half of the year.

C'mon now.

He dominated OU only to have the defense lose it in the last minute.

He didn't tail the 2nd half of the year. He struggled against K State a TTech.

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9270951)
Not me. I'm going to have my own thoughts and opinions and stand by them.

Doesn't mean I won't give benefit of the doubt. But the dude will need to earn my trust with what he does in KC.

No evaluation years, either.

Maybe I phrased it wrong. I have my opinions about all of these QBs. However, if Reid is the one driving the ship, I'll be far more willing to understand if he takes someone I'm not a big fan of as opposed to that shitbag Pioli.

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270955)
So the defense is to blame for why Smith tailed off the 2nd half of the year.

C'mon now.

Dude he was obviously pressing in some of those games. And his coach also got somewhat conservative relative to those early games.
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htismaqe 01-02-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270952)
Why don't you post more in the Tyler Wilson thread?

Exactly.

jd1020 01-02-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270956)
"Geno Smith is a better prospect at this stage" and "Geno Smith is better than RG3" are two completely different statements. Nice try though.

There is no other stage. Their seasons were both over at this point. You don't become a better prospect while sitting on the ****ing couch. RG3 simply got more recognition.

But its cool, read it how you want.

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9270951)
Not me. I'm going to have my own thoughts and opinions and stand by them.

Doesn't mean I won't give benefit of the doubt. But the dude will need to earn my trust with what he does in KC.

No evaluation years, either.

this
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RunKC 01-02-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270938)
That post is LITTERED with qualifiers. In no way does he say "Geno is better than RG3, period".

Nah they just came up with PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE of posts trying to prove he was just as good as RG3. ROFL

Dumbass

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9270961)
He dominated OU only to have the defense lose it in the last minute.

He didn't tail the 2nd half of the year. He struggled against K State a TTech.

And Syracuse. And had his stats against TCU inflated because of 2 OT's. He wasn't good in that game either.

DeezNutz 01-02-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270963)
Maybe I phrased it wrong. I have my opinions about all of these QBs. However, if Reid is the one driving the ship, I'll be far more willing to understand if he takes someone I'm not a big fan of as opposed to that shitbag Pioli.

Agree with that. At the end of the day, he'll just need to get shit right.

If Albert's back is serious or he's not re-signed, I could see the team going LT in round 1 and a QB like Murray (if he's there) in round 2.

Board will melt the **** down. OK. Big deal if the choices end up being the right ones.

ChiefsCountry 01-02-2013 08:42 PM

Lot of it was Geno put up such stupid silly out of this world numbers to start the season, it made some of his later games just look pederstian.

RunKC 01-02-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9270952)
Why don't you post more in the Tyler Wilson thread?

95% of the board has Geno's cock lodged in their asshole. That's why.

Ceej 01-02-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9270970)
Nah they just came up with PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE of posts trying to prove he was just as good as RG3. ROFL

Dumbass

Shouldn't you be busy starting another ****ing stupid thread??

Rasputin 01-02-2013 08:43 PM

As a prospect I'd say Geno Smith has a better chance at staying healthy with a productive career than RGIII at staying healthy for long term. RGIII great for success for short term period.

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9270964)
Dude he was obviously pressing in some of those games. And his coach also got somewhat conservative relative to those early games.
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Wasn't pressing against K State early. He made terrible throws.

I get his defense was shit. However, he was putting up video games numbers early because that defense couldn't stop anyone too.

Mother****erJones 01-02-2013 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtchiefs4life (Post 9270958)
Ya maybe in rd 4. He's big, fast and maybe Reid, if hired, could work some magic

And just something about the kid I like

The Bad Guy 01-02-2013 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9270973)
Agree with that. At the end of the day, he'll just need to get shit right.

If Albert's back is serious or he's not re-signed, I could see the team going LT in round 1 and a QB like Murray (if he's there) in round 2.

Board will melt the **** down. OK. Big deal if the choices end up being the right ones.

Agree on all these counts.

ShowtimeSBMVP 01-02-2013 08:44 PM

Howard Eskin ‏@howardeskin

Andy Reid meeting w KC Chiefs 2day in PHL lasted close to 9 hours and never made it to Arizona.I Was there and looked like meeting went well

SAUTO 01-02-2013 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9270982)
Wasn't pressing against K State early. He made terrible throws.

I get his defense was shit. However, he was putting up video games numbers early because that defense couldn't stop anyone too.

So we are at the point now where a guy can't just gave a bad ****ing game?

Sad.
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MeatRock 01-02-2013 08:44 PM

ROFL Geno is not a legitimate prospect at #1.

Look, i am not going to compare Geno to RG3, but Shanny customized his offense in Washington to fit RG3's playmaking ability with the zone read option.

Why the **** could we not build our offense around Geno with a spread shotgun offense. Geno has as good an arm and touch on his throws as any QB in the NFL including RG3.


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