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chiefsnorth 06-08-2010 09:46 AM
It's starting to look like KU is going to be left out in the cold. What do you guys think the future looks like in CUSA or the Mountain West?

Do you think KU will be able to maintain basketball prominence as a mid-major team? Minus all the revenue, notoriety, and TV exposure that being in a BCS conference brings?

I wonder how this will change the landscape in both sports, say 5-6 years and beyond
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Pitt Gorilla 06-08-2010 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 6806309)
http://www.kmbc.com/news/23824319/detail.html


Will KU, K-State Go Separate Conference Ways?


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Kansas University and K-State University may not share the same fate if the Big 12 conference were to disband, according to the vice chairman of the Kansas Board of Regents.

"It is not automatic," said Gary Sherrer in an interview Monday with KMBC's Micheal Mahoney. "I think everybody would be disappointed if those two schools weren't in a regular league together."

The Board of Regents is the governing body for Kansas universities. The board discussed the Big 12's future in a conference call this afternoon.Both Sherrer and board Chairwoman Jill Docking said they are "unwavering in our belief that the best course of K-State and KU is continued affiliation in the Big 12."

As the Big 10 and Pac10 consider raiding the Big 12, neither Kansas school has figured in any of the scenarios based on media reports.

Sherrer said the regents could support KU and K-State taking different paths if that was in the best interest of each school.

Media reports Monday said the PAC 10 is ready to offer Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State slots. And other media reports have indicated the universities of Missouri and Nebraska are in talks to join the Big 10 conference.

KMBC's Nick Griffith reports that Mizzou and Nebraska have until Friday to decide their future.

If the raids were to succeed, that would leave KU, K-State, Iowa State and Baylor University as the only Big 12 schools, likely forcing it to dissolve.

Sherrer blasted the state of things in college sports."What do you think it says, when traditional rivalries that built up over all those years, with all the alums, are just kind of tossed out the window? For one reason: the buck."
I love how Sherrer (ostensibly a BOR member) doesn't seem to grasp the academic implications of the move.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6806451)
It's starting to look like KU is going to be left out in the cold. What do you guys think the future looks like in CUSA or the Mountain West?

Do you think KU will be able to maintain basketball prominence as a mid-major team? Minus all the revenue, notoriety, and TV exposure that being in a BCS conference brings?

I wonder how this will change the landscape in both sports, say 5-6 years and beyond
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I think KU BB will be fine. Its football that worries me.

ChiTown 06-08-2010 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6806451)
It's starting to look like KU is going to be left out in the cold. What do you guys think the future looks like in CUSA or the Mountain West?

Do you think KU will be able to maintain basketball prominence as a mid-major team? Minus all the revenue, notoriety, and TV exposure that being in a BCS conference brings?

I wonder how this will change the landscape in both sports, say 5-6 years and beyond
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What team do you follow? Thanks

chiefsnorth 06-08-2010 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806480)
I think KU BB will be fine. Its football that worries me.
With respect, how can basketball be fine?

Will they draw as well playing Air Force and Colorado State and Wyoming?

Will they be televised nationally playing Utah or New Mexico?

Will recruits conside the school as attractive as it was in a major conference?

Will the dramatically reduced football revenue spill over to the rest of the athletic department?

I actually wish them well, but it's hard to see it.
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kepp 06-08-2010 10:11 AM
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?

chiefsnorth 06-08-2010 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 6806488)
What team do you follow? Thanks
Well I'm a native of KC and grew up following MU. However I went off to a non-Big 12 school and now reside in Big 10 (16?) country.

So I still support Missouri as much as one can when they are rarely on tv here (hoops I don't follow so much anyway, more MU football is on here than you'd think).

For me this Big 10 thing could be a boon because all the football games would be televised and they'd play in my neighborhood every other year.

ChiTown 06-08-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6806501)
Well I'm a native of KC and grew up following MU in the Big 8 days. However I went off to a non-Big 12 school and now reside in Big 10 (16?) country.

So I still support Missouri as much as one can when they are rarely on tv here (hoops, more MU football is on here than you'd think).

For me this Big 10 thing could be a boon because all the football games would be televised and they'd play in my neighborhood every other year.
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Gotcha. Thanks

Bambi 06-08-2010 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?
Yes but ending up in the ACC, Big East, or SEC or "some" type of superconference is more likely.

Problem is it may take a year or two to get to that point after things shake out, if indeed they do.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6806489)
With respect, how can basketball be fine?

Will they draw as well playing Air Force and Colorado State and Wyoming?

Will they be televised nationally playing Utah or New Mexico?

Will recruits conside the school as attractive as it was in a major conference?

Will the dramatically reduced football revenue spill over to the rest of the athletic department?

I actually wish them well, but it's hard to see it.
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I think New Mexico has actually been playing good ball lately but it will be more about out of conference scheduling than anything. KU won't lose prestige overnight. They should still be able to schedule well.

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?
It would be risky. Scheduling 12 games is a whole lot different than sheduling 30. But it just might work.

chiefsnorth 06-08-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?
I think they have the power just in absketball to do it, but then you deprive your team of any media deal income from a conference. No conf. tourney etc.

Maybe it works if it's football and you are ND, with the capital to get a lucrative media deal on your own. I don't know if it would work in a lower revenue sport....?
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DJ's left nut 06-08-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?
No chance.

I honestly don't believe any basketball program could thrive as an independant. If one did, it would have to be one of the East Coast schools that exists in stronger basketball territory.

KU is in flyover country. For all the yap about national recognition, they're still in the midwest. They'll never get the media backing and television deal they'd need to make it as an independant.

There's no way KU would continue to thrive as an independant in basketball.

Reerun_KC 06-08-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806505)
Yes but ending up in the ACC, Big East, or SEC or "some" type of superconference is more likely.

Problem is it may take a year or two to get to that point after things shake out, if indeed they do.
I really dont think it would be fun getting our asses Kicked in the SEC each year... (football)


But the basketball sure would be fun... Kentucky each year! Wahoo!

Mr. Plow 06-08-2010 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?

I don't see the TV contract being there for KU to be independent in bball. Could be wrong, but this realignment could change each and every major conference - which, if it does, could mean a spot in the ACC/Big East. I don't know really know....I'm talking out of my ass now.

Pitt Gorilla 06-08-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6806499)
Could ku basketball do something similar to Notre Dame football...ku football could go to a mid-major and basketball be "independent"? The bball program is very good...does it have that kind of pull? Is that even possible?
Which conference is going to want KU if they don't get KU basketball? What would that conference gain?

Reerun_KC 06-08-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 6806520)
I don't see the TV contract being there for KU to be independent in bball. Could be wrong, but this realignment could change each and every major conference - which, if it does, could mean a spot in the ACC/Big East. I don't know really know....I'm talking out of my ass now.
So is everyone else.... Its standard operations for CP...

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:18 AM
I think with the revenue that KU generates something will fall in place and one of the major conferences will pick them up.

Bambi 06-08-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6806518)
No chance.

I honestly don't believe any basketball program could thrive as an independant. If one did, it would have to be one of the East Coast schools that exists in stronger basketball territory.

KU is in flyover country. For all the yap about national recognition, they're still in the midwest. They'll never get the media backing and television deal they'd need to make it as an independant.

There's no way KU would continue to thrive as an independant in basketball.
When there's money to be made someone will find a way to do it.

You underestimate KU's national appeal.

This is why only a few schools can have ticket scandals. KU is one of them.

Reerun_KC 06-08-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806526)
Which conference is going to want KU if they don't get KU basketball? What would that conference gain?
I agree with this. Outside of KU basketball there isnt much else...

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806526)
Which conference is going to want KU if they don't get KU basketball? What would that conference gain?
A team good enough to beat Mizzou half the time.

Bambi 06-08-2010 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806526)
Which conference is going to want KU if they don't get KU basketball? What would that conference gain?
A BCS bowl victory to add to commercials.

Pitt Gorilla 06-08-2010 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806533)
A team good enough to beat Mizzou half the time.
Is that really the selling point? Serious question.

Edit: Neither of you have suggested a conference that would take that deal. Does such a conference exist? If so, which one is it?

ChiTown 06-08-2010 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806535)
A BCS bowl victory to add to commercials.
ROFL

Reerun_KC 06-08-2010 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806535)
A BCS bowl victory to add to commercials.
eh that was a couple of years ago.... Old news now...

KU's only draw is the Basketball program.... We all know it, its really no big secret....

Reerun_KC 06-08-2010 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 6806541)
ROFL
I have to agree with this.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:22 AM
Wow...that's twisted logic, Wickedson. So it's really a "good" thing that KU has a ticket scandal. Right...got it!???

Bottom line here: KU has a $40 million capital debt going right now. It is leveraged to the hilt and then some. If they fall out of a BCS conference, it's OVER. They won't be able to generate the money they need for the debt service, let alone paying off that obligation.

The other thing is look at how freaking bloated KU's athletic department is? Their staff is way over paid and there are how many assistant and associate ADs there? Many of them are making in excess of $200K. What does KU think it is...TEXAS?

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806540)
Is that really the selling point? Serious question.
Well not exactly. KU is not that great compared to the top teams in the big 12 but I think they are good enough that they could compete in other conferences.

vailpass 06-08-2010 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6806361)
Basketball is more important because it's a larger revenue generator.
:D

kepp 06-08-2010 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806526)
Which conference is going to want KU if they don't get KU basketball? What would that conference gain?
Yeah, that's a good point. Plus, basketball isn't the revenue sport that football is and an independent program probably couldn't support itself.

Pitt Gorilla 06-08-2010 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806549)
Well not exactly. KU is not that great compared to the top teams in the big 12 but I think they are good enough that they could compete in other conferences.
Maybe they could compete. My question was about value added. Without basketball, what does a conference gain by taking KU?

Bambi 06-08-2010 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806546)
Wow...that's twisted logic, Wickedson. So it's really a "good" thing that KU has a ticket scandal. Right...got it!???

Bottom line here: KU has a $40 million capital debt going right now. It is leveraged to the hilt and then some. If they fall out of a BCS conference, it's OVER. They won't be able to generate the money they need for the debt service, let alone paying off that obligation.

The other thing is look at how freaking bloated KU's athletic department is? Their staff is way over paid and there are how many assistant and associate ADs there? Many of them are making in excess of $200K. What does KU think it is...TEXAS?
Of course it's not "a good thing".

My point is that only a few schools have this problem.

Missouri doesn't because it's tickets are never in demand, except maybe when they're playing KU.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:26 AM
None of them has anything to do with being competitive. It has to do with TVs, and academics.

Bambi 06-08-2010 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806540)
Is that really the selling point? Serious question.

Edit: Neither of you have suggested a conference that would take that deal. Does such a conference exist? If so, which one is it?
A conference that would take KU without BBAll?

Probably not. But there aren't many schools who would be accepted without their number one sport.

Maybe Texas, Florida, OSU.... then who?

buddha 06-08-2010 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806564)
Of course it's not "a good thing".

My point is that only a few schools have this problem.

Missouri doesn't because it's tickets are never in demand, except maybe when they're playing KU.
Yeah...the fact that we sold out the Cotton Bowl in record time really supports your point... :rolleyes: Even the douchebags in Texas were amazed by how strongly Missouri fans took over the event.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 6806558)
Maybe they could compete. My question was about value added. Without basketball, what does a conference gain by taking KU?
As a KU football season ticket holder I think it adds a lot of value but then again I'm a homer. But KU football has been on the rise and had the team not given up on Mangino last year they would have won a few more of those close games. I may be alone in this but I think Turner Gill is going to take this football team to new levels.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806571)
As a KU football season ticket holder I think it adds a lot of value but then again I'm a homer. But KU football has been on the rise and had the team not given up on Mangino last year they would have won a few more of those close games. I may be alone in this but I think Turner Gill is going to take this football team to new levels.
AH...I do too. I think Gill was a great hire and I'm not a KU fan. However, KU fans have to realize that every time you switch coaches, it's going to take time for the new staff to install their systems and get the players they need. KU will have growing pains this year.

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:30 AM
Turner Gil is a ****ing joke theres a reason Nebraska didn't hire him and the guy can't even keep talent in the state.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806566)
None of them has anything to do with being competitive. It has to do with TVs, and academics.
Do Kansas City and Wichita markets not count for anything? Also KU is just fine in academics.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806576)
Turner Gil is a ****ing joke theres a reason Nebraska didn't hire him and the guy can't even keep talent in the state.
What kind of Nebraska fan would write that about one of their former great players? Really...that is lame beyond lame. Billay...are you 14 years old or something?

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806576)
Turner Gil is a ****ing joke theres a reason Nebraska didn't hire him and the guy can't even keep talent in the state.
ROFL You're an idiot.

chiefsnorth 06-08-2010 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806571)
As a KU football season ticket holder I think it adds a lot of value but then again I'm a homer. But KU football has been on the rise and had the team not given up on Mangino last year they would have won a few more of those close games. I may be alone in this but I think Turner Gill is going to take this football team to new levels.
They did go from 7-1 to 4-4 to 1-7... not really normative of a program on the rise in football

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806582)
ROFL You're an idiot.
Notice you can't answer the question.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:33 AM
AH...yes, KC counts as Missouri demographics. Sorry, that's just how it is. The great part of the Big 10 equation is that every cable system in Lawrence that carries the Big 10 Network will count as part of Missouri's contribution to the conference. The Tigers say, "Thanks!"

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806579)
What kind of Nebraska fan would write that about one of their former great players? Really...that is lame beyond lame. Billay...are you 14 years old or something?
What? He was a great player shitty coach. So was Tommie Frazier.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6806583)
They did go from 7-1 to 4-4 to 1-7... not really normative of a program on the rise in football
You do realize that the 4-4 and 1-7 were with the hardest schedule in the big 12 don't you? And they lost several close games with the north teams. But yeah if you just look at the record then it doesn't look good.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806585)
Notice you can't answer the question.
What question?

ChiTown 06-08-2010 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806590)
You do realize that the 4-4 and 1-7 were with the hardest schedule in the big 12 don't you? And they lost several close games with the north teams. But yeah if you just look at the record then it doesn't look good.
:spock:

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806591)
What question?
If Turner Gil is such a great coach why didn't Nebraska hire him? Why has all the good talent left the state of Kansas?

buddha 06-08-2010 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806588)
What? He was a great player shitty coach. So was Tommie Frazier.
You say that because he made Buffalo into a credible football program and he did it from scratch? Like I said before, are you 14 years old...? Bring a few facts into your posts to support your positions.

Mr. Plow 06-08-2010 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806591)
What question?

Don't ask....you had it right the first time. He's an idiot.

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806595)
You say that because he made Buffalo into a credible football program and he did it from scratch? Like I said before, are you 14 years old...? Bring a few facts into your posts to support your positions.
Buffalo isn't a credible football program wtf are you talking about?

buddha 06-08-2010 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806594)
If Turner Gil is such a great coach why didn't Nebraska hire him? Why has all the good talent left the state of Kansas?
You'd have to ask Dr. Tom. There were many great coaches that Nebraska didn't hire. I guess Osborn was looking for the slobbering, cromagnon type of head coach this time around.

ChiTown 06-08-2010 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806594)
If Turner Gil is such a great coach why didn't Nebraska hire him? Why has all the good talent left the state of Kansas?
That's not a Turner Gill problem. KSU, even during their 10+ year run, wasn't getting all the in-state talent. That's just the way it is.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806597)
Buffalo isn't a credible football program wtf are you talking about?
It is compared to what TG inherited when he got there. Have you even bothered to look yet? No? That's what we thought.

Bugeater 06-08-2010 10:38 AM
I would never go as far as saying Gill is a joke, but he's right in the fact that there's a reason NU didn't hire him, and that's because Tom Osborne is racist.


Just kidding, I have no idea what that reason may be. Although it will be a lot easier to root for him when he's not a conference rival.

(assuming the shift really happens)

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806599)
You'd have to ask Dr. Tom. There were many great coaches that Nebraska didn't hire. I guess Osborn was looking for the slobbering, cromagnon type of head coach this time around.
The slobbering cromagnon thats been to more Big Tweleve title games in two years then KU has ever been to?

DJ's left nut 06-08-2010 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806531)
When there's money to be made someone will find a way to do it.

You underestimate KU's national appeal.

This is why only a few schools can have ticket scandals. KU is one of them.
And you continue to overestimate the leverage of any mens college basketball team.

There are dozens of attractive games on every single day. Do you honestly think a television network is going to offer an exclusive rights contract and pay tens of millions for the right to televise KU v. Iowa State?

Hell no it won't. There are way too many good basketball games every night. There's no mens college basketball program in the entire country that has the juice to get a major network to pay any appreciable amount of money for an exclusive rights deal.

You absolutely have to stop ignoring market realities here. There are too many options out there for the networks for them to put any appreciable money into a television contract with KU.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6806603)

Just kidding, I have no idea what that reason may be. It will be a lot easier to root for him when he's not a conference rival though.

(assuming the shift really happens)
Don't worry, Bugeater...the whole conference rival thing is about to take care of itself. Now worries.

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806602)
It is compared to what TG inherited when he got there. Have you even bothered to look yet? No? That's what we thought.
One winning season in the Mac. Yup he's a great coach ROFL

buddha 06-08-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806606)
The slobbering cromagnon thats been to more Big Tweleve title games in two years then KU has ever been to?
You're right, KU hasn't been to any Big "Tweleve" title games. Is that going to be the new name of the conference when everybody leaves? ROFL

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806614)
You're right, KU hasn't been to any Big "Tweleve" title games. Is that going to be the new name of the conference when everybody leaves? ROFL
Grasping for straws I see. Weren't you the one asking me to post facts?

buddha 06-08-2010 10:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806612)
One winning season in the Mac. Yup he's a great coach ROFL
And how many winning seasons as a head coach did Big Bo have prior to going to Nebraska?

vailpass 06-08-2010 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6806407)
Yep.

And then UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, St. Johns.... oh wait. We don't have financials on sports from those schools for some reason
ROFL Just can't admit it can you? Do you see the conferences being realigned around the basketball programs?
Why do you think that is?
And yet there is something in you that wants to continue to make an ass out of yourself by insisting that bball generates more revenue than fball.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806617)
Grasping for straws I see. Weren't you the one asking me to post facts?
Yes...now tell us about what programs Pelini has built on his way to Nebraska?

Bugeater 06-08-2010 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806618)
And how many winning seasons as a head coach did Big Bo have prior to going to Nebraska?
He was undefeated as a head coach in 2003. :D

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806618)
And how many winning seasons as a head coach did Big Bo have prior to going to Nebraska?
What's your point? He was the d-cordinator on two different teams that went to a title game and turned around Nebraskas defense when he was the DC. Also won a super bowl with the Niners as a defensive backs coach. He was qualified to be a head coach, Turner Gil isn't.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806612)
One winning season in the Mac. Yup he's a great coach ROFL
Well he must suck then that's why he was on the list of several other BCS schools also when they were looking for coaches. Even your AD thinks he is a great coach. At the time Nebraska needed a defensive minded coach, or did you forget the 76 pts that KU hung on them.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6806620)
ROFL Just can't admit it can you? Do you see the conferences being realigned around the basketball programs?
Why do you think that is?
And yet there is something in you that wants to continue to make an ass out of yourself by insisting that bball generates more revenue than fball.
Vailpass at KU is DOES...! That's not even in doubt here. That's why the KU guys can't get any of this realignment stuff straight. They think basketball is more important than football, because it is to them. To the REST of the freaking world, and that includes the guys who write the checks for advertising and every other good or service, football is king. We can continue to tell them that until we're all red in the face...it will never sink in.

I have a better question for you. Are you a CU fan, and if so, are you buying the theory that the MWC would be better for CU than the PAC 10?

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806626)
Well he must suck then that's why he was on the list of several other BCS schools also when they were looking for coaches. Even your AD thinks he is a great coach. At the time Nebraska needed a defensive minded coach, or did you forget the 76 pts that KU hung on them.
This is hilarious. What was Osborne suppose to say about his former player?

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806624)
What's your point? He was the d-cordinator on two different teams that went to a title game and turned around Nebraskas defense when he was the DC. Also won a super bowl with the Niners as a defensive backs coach. He was qualified to be a head coach, Turner Gil isn't.
Ok so Gill's time as an OC in Nebraska don't count?

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806632)
Ok so Gill's time as an OC in Nebraska don't count?
Gil didn't build the Nebraska offense.

buddha 06-08-2010 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806632)
Ok so Gill's time as an OC in Nebraska don't count?
AH...of course it does. billay is a child, so it's time to stop humoring him with replies.

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806635)
AH...of course it does. billay is a child, so it's time to stop humoring him with replies.
Are you really going to compare Gils time as the Nebraska OC which was successful years before he got there to Bo's job of coaching the defense after the Bohl years?

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806638)
Are you really going to compare Gils time as the Nebraska OC which was successful years before he got there to Bo's job of coaching the defense after the Bohl years?
Nobody is trying to say he wasn't more qualified, he may well be but Gill is not a joke.

Titty Meat 06-08-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6806645)
Nobody is trying to say he wasn't more qualified, he may well be but Gill is not a joke.
What was his record last year in the Mac confrence?

vailpass 06-08-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806628)
Vailpass at KU is DOES...! That's not even in doubt here. That's why the KU guys can't get any of this realignment stuff straight. They think basketball is more important than football, because it is to them. To the REST of the freaking world, and that includes the guys who write the checks for advertising and every other good or service, football is king. We can continue to tell them that until we're all red in the face...it will never sink in.

I have a better question for you. Are you a CU fan, and if so, are you buying the theory that the MWC would be better for CU than the PAC 10?
Interesting. DeezNutz posted to the contrary last night, showing that KU football made approx. $3 million more than KU hoops last year.
Which only furhter proves your point.

I'm an Iowa Hawkeye and don't give a shit what the WAC10 does or doesn't do. Don't care about the Texas12 either. I can't say I know anything about the MWC ( not even sure who is in it).

I like things just the way they are but if NEB and/or MU join the conference I think both will be solid additions who bring something to the table while at the same time benefitting greatly from Big10 membership.

ArrowheadHawk 06-08-2010 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6806646)
What was his record last year in the Mac confrence?
There is more to a team than just the record.
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2009 got off to a bad start for the Bulls as star running back James Starks injured the labrum in his left shoulder in a pre-season scrimmage. It was determined that he would need surgery and miss the whole year.

Buffalo's offense struggled to overcome the loss of Starks and the up-and-down play of new starting quarterback Zach Maynard while the defense continued to have a hard time stopping opposing teams and could not generate as many turnovers as they did in 2008. Buffalo was out of

MAC championship contention midway through the season, but did finish with two straight wins on the road.

DeezNutz 06-08-2010 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 6806628)
Vailpass at KU is DOES...! That's not even in doubt here. That's why the KU guys can't get any of this realignment stuff straight. They think basketball is more important than football, because it is to them. To the REST of the freaking world, and that includes the guys who write the checks for advertising and every other good or service, football is king. We can continue to tell them that until we're all red in the face...it will never sink in.

I have a better question for you. Are you a CU fan, and if so, are you buying the theory that the MWC would be better for CU than the PAC 10?
Mr. Plow posted the numbers earlier in the thread. And Kansas basketball does NOT make more money than Kansas football.

DeezNutz 06-08-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6805516)
Stop right there; you're wrong.

$17,676,175 = KU football.
$15M and some change = KU basketball.

Even the mighty KU basketball bows to the football program. Look back a few posts, as Plow posted this info. You can't just subtract football from the total budget and assume the rest is basketball.
Post 1880. Mr. Plow provided the evidence < 50 or so posts earlier.

Bambi 06-08-2010 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6806620)
ROFL Just can't admit it can you? Do you see the conferences being realigned around the basketball programs?
Why do you think that is?
And yet there is something in you that wants to continue to make an ass out of yourself by insisting that bball generates more revenue than fball.
Just because your team sucks at basketball doesn't mean it's not the meal ticket for many schools. Why can you not understand this?


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