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kilgore_trout 05-26-2007 02:34 AM

Hi!

007 05-26-2007 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief
luv and who else?

direckshun

Mr. Plow 05-26-2007 02:51 AM

Drunk guy joins you for a few minutes.

007 05-26-2007 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow
Drunk guy joins you for a few minutes.

Don't bother. The thread is dead.

PinkFloyd 05-26-2007 08:46 PM

Well here it is late... Late for me that is... Been bowling in a tournament since 8am and I've made it from the round of 64 to the round of 16... Hopefully by 12 noon tomorrow I'll be in the round of eight and on the way to some dough...

I hope everyone has had a good day...

Joie 05-26-2007 08:51 PM

I hate to say goodnight so soon. But it's bedtime.

Night Planet

SLAG 05-26-2007 08:57 PM

hi

KurtCobain 05-26-2007 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG
I'm high.

Stop doing drugs

SLAG 05-26-2007 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
Stop doing drugs

Just a lil of the green and some New Castle Brown Ale


nothing more than that

KurtCobain 05-26-2007 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLAG
Just a lil of the green and some New Castle Brown Ale


nothing more than that

Good lord, Olathe and it's drug-addicted citizens.

SLAG 05-26-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
Good lord, Olathe and it's drug-addicted citizens.

what can we say

we are american

Direckshun 05-26-2007 11:28 PM

So you're never going to believe it. I'm here in my pajamas, sitting by my computer, getting ready for bed. When I see a commercial on TV, claiming that I could "talk to the most beautiful women imaginable" if I called this particular 900 number. And they had beautiful models, looked like they were stripped right out of a porn, posing and teasing the camera -- those gotta be some of the women that answer the phone, right?

Now, I'm not entirely sure if they'll let me meet them. But I can at least get some conversation in. I want you to grade some of the conversation starters I have planned:

1.) Hey there. What's it like being amongst the most beautiful women imaginable?
2.) What drove you to ignore the throngs of men at your feet, of which you could literally hand-select any one you want, and turn to find love through the telephone?
3.) Hi, what's your SSN?
4.) How do ticks spread lyme disease?

Give it some thought, let me know which one would be the most likely to win the heart of a girl I'd talk to over a 900 number.

KurtCobain 05-26-2007 11:30 PM

You should ask her if she want to ****.

milkman 05-26-2007 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
So you're never going to believe it. I'm here in my pajamas, sitting by my computer, getting ready for bed. When I see a commercial on TV, claiming that I could "talk to the most beautiful women imaginable" if I called this particular 900 number. And they had beautiful models, looked like they were stripped right out of a porn, posing and teasing the camera -- those gotta be some of the women that answer the phone, right?

Now, I'm not entirely sure if they'll let me meet them. But I can at least get some conversation in. I want you to grade some of the conversation starters I have planned:

1.) Hey there. What's it like being amongst the most beautiful women imaginable?
2.) What drove you to ignore the throngs of men at your feet, of which you could literally hand-select any one you want, and turn to find love through the telephone?
3.) Hi, what's your SSN?
4.) How do ticks spread lyme disease?

Give it some thought, let me know which one would be the most likely to win the heart of a girl I'd talk to over a 900 number.

LMAO

You'll be talking to Hootie, no doubt.

TinyEvel 05-26-2007 11:37 PM

I usually start with "What are you wearing right now?"

milkman 05-26-2007 11:38 PM

On another note, I'm I the only one that thinks that Debra Messing looks like a man in drag?

Direckshun 05-26-2007 11:39 PM

I don't think so, but Messing somehow became a fashion icon and a runway model or some shit.

She's decent, at best.

Fantastic hair, though. Love the hair.

TinyEvel 05-26-2007 11:41 PM

I'm watching Kill Bill Vol 2. SUHWEET flick!

Direckshun 05-26-2007 11:41 PM

On that note, let me declare "Will & Grace," which already was a pretty lame show, as having the worst series conclusion of all time.

They both move on, but they somehow have children at exactly the same time, who end up going to the same college, end up rooming across the hall from one another, end up attracted to one another, and end up dating one another.

That is the stupidest ending to a series, ever. Heads and shoulders above Seinfeld going to jail.

TinyEvel 05-26-2007 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
On that note, let me declare "Will & Grace," which already was a pretty lame show, as having the worst series conclusion of all time.

They both move on, but they somehow have children at exactly the same time, who end up going to the same college, end up rooming across the hall from one another, end up attracted to one another, and end up dating one another.

That is the stupidest ending to a series, ever. Heads and shoulders above Seinfeld going to jail.

ANd one of the best ever? ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT!

You could tell they were all pissed about getting cancelled, the writers wrote all that angry chit into the script ROFL.

Direckshun 05-26-2007 11:44 PM

I thought one of the best ever was Roseanne winning the lottery.

That was a clever way to conclude the show. Not very funny, but pretty clever.

milkman 05-26-2007 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
On that note, let me declare "Will & Grace," which already was a pretty lame show, as having the worst series conclusion of all time.

They both move on, but they somehow have children at exactly the same time, who end up going to the same college, end up rooming across the hall from one another, end up attracted to one another, and end up dating one another.

That is the stupidest ending to a series, ever. Heads and shoulders above Seinfeld going to jail.

I never watched that show after the first episode.

Direckshun 05-26-2007 11:48 PM

Ha! Just found one of the best series conclusions ever, Futurama's, on YouTube.

Fry writes an opera to express his feelings for Leela, having made a deal with the Devil giving him the Devil's hands, hands that enable him to write and perform the opera.

And things go awry, as Leela herself was deafened earlier in the episode, unbeknownst to Fry, and was thus unable to hear anything.... until!

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RCnBMssJg9I"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RCnBMssJg9I" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

luv 05-27-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
So you're never going to believe it. I'm here in my pajamas, sitting by my computer, getting ready for bed. When I see a commercial on TV, claiming that I could "talk to the most beautiful women imaginable" if I called this particular 900 number. And they had beautiful models, looked like they were stripped right out of a porn, posing and teasing the camera -- those gotta be some of the women that answer the phone, right?

Now, I'm not entirely sure if they'll let me meet them. But I can at least get some conversation in. I want you to grade some of the conversation starters I have planned:

1.) Hey there. What's it like being amongst the most beautiful women imaginable?
2.) What drove you to ignore the throngs of men at your feet, of which you could literally hand-select any one you want, and turn to find love through the telephone?
3.) Hi, what's your SSN?
4.) How do ticks spread lyme disease?

Give it some thought, let me know which one would be the most likely to win the heart of a girl I'd talk to over a 900 number.

For you, I'm going with option 4. ;)

Simply Red 05-27-2007 09:32 PM

emm hmm.

KurtCobain 05-27-2007 11:50 PM

two faced son of a bitch yeah my ****ing mom died so i can constantly be sad and wish that i die without ****ing thinking about my son who busts his ass taking care of me because im ****ing depressed. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT ASSHOLE?!?!?! YOU WERE ****ING FIFTY WHEN YOU LOST YOUR ****ING MOM I WAS ****ING 23. YOU WERE MY BEST ****ING FRIEND YOU ****ING ASS****. EVERYTHINGS ****ING COOL FOR LIKE LESS than a ****ING MONTH AND THEN YOU ****ING PULL THIS SHIT!?! youll remember this day when im gone, yeah you ****ing dickwad I ****ing remember it. I remember a pussy asshole who begged for death everyday and beat on his wife just because he couldnt ****ing walk. ITS NOT MY ****ING FAULT!!!!!! YOU ****ING GOT HURT! NOT MY FAULT YOU HAD ME AFTER!!!!!!!AGAIN NOT MY FAULT so you ****ing punish me!?!? AND YOUR ****ING GRANDDAUGHTER? WHOS HER ****ING GRANDPA? NOONE ASSHOLE! NO ****ING ONE! WHY?? CUZ OF A ****ING LOSER

luv 05-27-2007 11:57 PM

Yeah. Uhhh. Well.....

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:00 AM

and you know why things happen for a reason? because someone or something causes it to ****ing happen. like how a little girl doesn't have a ****ing grandpa because someone didnt care enough about the people who helped him to help his ****ing self

luv 05-28-2007 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
and you know why things happen for a reason? because someone or something causes it to ****ing happen. like how a little girl doesn't have a ****ing grandpa because someone didnt care enough about the people who helped him to help his ****ing self

You might not want to drink and post if there's something substantial on your mind.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv
You might not want to drink and post if there's something substantial on your mind.

you're a very intelligent individual.

luv 05-28-2007 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
you're a very intelligent individual.

Actually, I am. Don't go spreading that around though. I have a reputation to uphold.

greg63 05-28-2007 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv
Actually, I am. Don't go spreading that around though. I have a reputation to uphold.

Eh, I'm an "ignorant bast**d" and couldn't hide it if I wanted to. :D

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg63
Eh, I'm an "ignorant bast**d" and couldn't hide it if I wanted to. :D

But I thought you were an MVP who is a chiefsplanet icon...

luv 05-28-2007 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg63
Eh, I'm an "ignorant bast**d" and couldn't hide it if I wanted to. :D

Did you just use a curse word? :eek:

greg63 05-28-2007 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv
Did you just use a curse word? :eek:

No I edited, and note the quotations indicating that it is actually someone else’s words. :D

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg63
No I edited, and note the quotations indicating that it is actually someone else’s words. :D

Thank the lord.

greg63 05-28-2007 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
But I thought you were an MVP who is a chiefsplanet icon...

LOL!!

The two are not mutually exclusive.

greg63 05-28-2007 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
Thank the lord.

LMAO

Dunit35 05-28-2007 12:46 AM

"are you on steroids?"

"Alittle bit, bout a half a cup"

Dunit35 05-28-2007 12:47 AM

I really think Crazy should include me in the thread starter...I've been slowly working on building my post count on this thread, but it is tough to get to 200.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:49 AM

then spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam

or something

Dunit35 05-28-2007 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
then spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam

or something


I've never had spam before.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunit35
I've never had spam before.

It's damn vile.

Dunit35 05-28-2007 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
It's damn vile.


I'm afraid to try it. I don't want it to ruin my taste for real ham.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunit35
I'm afraid to try it. I don't want it to ruin my taste for real ham.

Spam is fake ham? I guess that explains the rhyming pattern.

HAM! IN A CAN! THAT'S FAKE!

snappy advertising ideas.

Dunit35 05-28-2007 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
Spam is fake ham? I guess that explains the rhyming pattern.

HAM! IN A CAN! THAT'S FAKE!

snappy advertising ideas.


Hoping for sarcasim on your post? What the F does spam taste like anyways?

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunit35
Hoping for sarcasim on your post? What the F does spam taste like anyways?

I really didn't know it was fake ham. It tastes like rotten pussy.

Dunit35 05-28-2007 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
I really didn't know it was fake ham. It tastes like rotten pussy.


Never had rotten pussy before, so guess I don't know that spam tastes like.

Direckshun 05-28-2007 01:14 AM

I've had rotten pussy and it tastes like stale ham.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunit35
Never had rotten pussy before, so guess I don't know that spam tastes like.

If you had a dead cat under your bed smelling harsh for thirty days, you'd take a taste too.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
I've had rotten pussy and it tastes like stale ham.

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Dunit35 05-28-2007 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey
If you had a dead cat under your bed smelling harsh for thirty days, you'd take a taste too.


Shit, nice man. ROFL

luv 05-28-2007 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
I've had rotten pussy and it tastes like stale ham.

No words come to mind as to how to reply to that.

Direckshun 05-28-2007 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv
No words come to mind as to how to reply to that.

Ever had spam? ROFL

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
Ever had spam? ROFL

I swear I found it under my bed.

luv 05-28-2007 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
Ever had spam? ROFL

I'm not sure I should answer that without an attorney, or at least a therapist, present.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv
I'm not sure I should answer that without an attorney, or at least a therapist, present.

I have a degree in psychology. Well, I have a piece of paper that says I do.

Dunit35 05-28-2007 01:42 AM

I have added 8 posts to my count on this thread. I got to be around 15 or so now...hellz yeah.

KurtCobain 05-28-2007 01:45 AM

You shoulda just stayed at 1 post. That's a pretty list.

Discuss Thrower 05-28-2007 02:20 AM

Your Key to Good Sleep
 
I'm going to dedicate this to all those who can't sleep. And to the moderators, please don't punish me!

Quote:

Coughing loudly, Leroy sat up. He'd been sick for the better part of the last week. One, innocent, harmless, drag off a Cuban Cigar led to a sore throat, which progressed to a headache and green gooze in his sinuses. Leroy got medicine for the occasional explosion of mucous through his nasal cavity, which gave way to ass-whooping coughs that only appeared when he laid his head upon a rather flat pillow.

Leroy flipped over the alarm clock on his nightstand to check the time. He flipped the alarm clock to prevent its green glow from keeping him awake. Duct taped covered any other omnipresent light source in his room, on his TV for example, and he aluminum foiled his window. He did a nice job of it, but the uptight neighbors in their mono-gated community didn't feel the same way.

The alarm clock read -12:00- and Leroy was relieved. He might be able to salvage a few hours of precious sleep from the wreck his respiratory system. He cursed himself when the clock flashed -12:00- because it meant that the power went off and Leroy coughed his way through hearing it. He'd have to check the shower radio in his bathroom.

Leroy slouched his way to the bathroom and flipped on the light switch. No light. He flipped it off, then back on again. The three faux-Venetian style fixtures overbearingly shined brightly and Leroy winced as his pupils shrank rapidly. He noticed a soft crackling noise from the switch, and watched as a tiny tinsel of smoke wafted away. He was living in a death trap.

Leroy scanned over his reflection in the mirror. He slapped his beer-gut, which was a misnomer because he never drank beer in any sizable quantity. He flexed his pectorals, which was an outright lie because he didn't have pectorals to flex.

His audacious yet naive goatee had a bald spot in it, or at least that's what Leroy thought. Leroy wished he had a jawline and decided to shave off his six-hour stubble that covered the places where his goatee was not. He seized the opportunity to multi task as shaved whilst taking a piss. After flushing the toilet, slapping down the lid, and replacing the shaver did Leroy leave the bathroom.

Leroy crept down the open stairway out of habit and not out of consideration. He was the only human occupant of the house at the time. His stealth flawed regardless, as every step he would take a joint would pop or crack loudly. Leroy's unathletic ankles being the most villainous culprit in betraying his silence.

He noticed that his dog was gnawing away at her leg. She was afflicted by an allergy to something. Leroy fed her Benadryl tablets by sticking them in a slock of peanut-butter on a butter knife. He scoffed at her to get her to stop, then lovingly patted her golden coat as he walked on.

In the kitchen, Leroy looked through he refrigerator. He decided to pass on the 48oz can of energy drink that one had described as “moose piss”. Looking at the microwave he noticed that it too was flashing -12:00-. Leroy dumbfoundedly remembered that he forgot to check the time when he was in the bathroom. He darted back up the stairs, turning off lights as he went. He began to think about how pleasant a dream would be, as he'd gone the previous nights of tossing and turning without a remarkable dream. Leroy then remembered that he forgot to shut the refrigerator door.

Leroy was back again in front of the 'fridge. He decided to not leave empty handed this time. He singlehandedly grabbed a hold of a gallon of chocolate milk and began to chug away. Had it not been for his much maligned left hand, the milk would've sloshed all over the kitchen floor and his cat would've poisoned herself by lapping up the sugary-brown nectar of goodness.

Finishing his drink and taking care to shut the door, Leroy went back upstairs. Leroy turned on his TV as the mind melting blue glow of modern technology dimly flooded his room. Hoping for some chuckle worthy entertainment at the very least he was disappointed when he was greeted with the cliched nuances of an infomercial.

-- “Okay, we have Jim here who is a certified bed-jumper, well at least for the day Ha-Ha-Ha,” --

“Oh Dear Lord,” Leroy thought.

-- “And we have our card house set up on the bed here... Okay, now Jim, give us a good jump here ...” -- Leroy thought he could see the glint of glue connecting the joints on the house of cards.

Leroy paid attention to the images on the screen. Jim was an ignorantly stereotyped American: blue-jeans and a tattered looking unbuttoned plaid shirt, stocky build, and in middle age. This guy jumping up and down on a mattress that had what Leroy thought to be the consistency and color of a packing crate.

Of course, the house of cards didn't fall on the demonstration of the mattress being advertised, but did so faster than the panties of a high school cheerleader on prom night as demonstrated on the regular mattress in the infomercial.

-- “Our mattress was designed using the technology pioneered by the Apollo Moon missions, and battle tested on the streets of Baghdad!” --

Leroy became incensed that a damned mattress company was war profiteering. The nerve of them! Leroy's brain began to verbalize a letter to what ever member of Congress was the least corrupt. Leroy paused and considered that a letter to the FCC might be a better option, as they actually listened to groundless and illogical complaints. He grew angrier when he realized that the mattress company was using an insomniac's poor plight as an inroad to higher sales. Leroy isn't an insomniac, but still knew when people are being taken advantage of! It was cruel to advertise a product that promises a good night's sleep to someone who can't achieve it. Imagine! Imagine the outrage if a contractor gave a homeless man pages of housing ads for the man to use as a blanket as he slept on the cold city streets! Or if McDonald's plopped a billboard of a huge Big Mac in the middle of a throng of starving, famine stricken Africans? Leroy clinched his fists and squinted in anger.

The sun light made his room glow an intense yellow and Leroy caught the noise of the builders thumping away at the new house next door. Leroy cursed in anger as he realized the he slept another unsatisfying and dreamless night.


sedated 05-28-2007 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun
stale ham.

attic pig?

Simplex3 05-28-2007 05:44 AM

Wow. I'm crushed that I missed last night's dead animal / unclean woman discussion.

:Lin:

Joie 05-29-2007 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simplex3
Wow. I'm crushed that I missed last night's dead animal / unclean woman discussion.

:Lin:

Is that what these dipshits talk about when we're not here? :rolleyes:

Joie 05-29-2007 09:40 PM

Where is everyone tonight?

Bugeater 05-29-2007 09:44 PM

Near Red Cloud, NE.

http://www.dalejtravis.com/barn/nebr...pg/ne09101.jpg

Joie 05-29-2007 09:46 PM

Picking up where we left off, Mr. Gawd Damned Nebraskan?

Bugeater 05-29-2007 10:00 PM

Just wanted you to know I was thinking about you.

Joie 05-29-2007 10:05 PM

How sweet :)

Bugeater 05-29-2007 10:11 PM

Aww crap...there goes my man card again. Hopefully no one else sees that.

Joie 05-29-2007 10:13 PM

Don't worry. It's just us. I won't tell. Noone else looks at this thread anyway........

007 05-29-2007 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
Just wanted you to know I was thinking about you.

REVOKED!!!

Bugeater 05-29-2007 10:19 PM

Maybe I should bury it by posting more pictures of barns.

Bugeater 05-29-2007 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru
REVOKED!!!

DAMMIT!

Joie 05-29-2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru
REVOKED!!!

If you're going to lurk, at least participate.

007 05-29-2007 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
Maybe I should bury it by posting more pictures of barns.

That will just get ya banned.

007 05-29-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joie
If you're going to lurk, at least participate.

:rolleyes:
It's not lurking when you have work to do.

Joie 05-29-2007 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru
:rolleyes:
It's not lurking when you have work to do.

Excuses, excuses :p

Joie 05-29-2007 10:31 PM

It's bedtime.


Goodnight Planet

Direckshun 05-29-2007 10:53 PM

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I don't know how the hell you make a hysterical commercial out of Tide, but there you have it.

Holy hell that's hilarious.

KurtCobain 05-29-2007 10:57 PM

Anybody else want to eat out a spider's insides?


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