Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17579454)

Oh, I'm not bashing Brady. Maybe I should clarify my take. I think that Brady is currently the GOAT, however, I think that Mahomes has achieved more with less, and data and eyetest quantify such in my opinion.

Because Mahomes has done more with less (for the time period in which he's had the opportunity to do such) I don't think he has to match Brady in terms of rings to be considered the GOAT. I think if he gets a 4th ring while maintaining his statistical output consistently, the real convo begins.

This was more compiled because too many people are ring counters and that's all (which none of those people say Bill Russell is the best NBA player ever). It's also why I gave Manning and Brees credit for winning with worse Defenses. Because it does mean something. It doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something.

Originally I wrote it out to focus on Allen and Lamar's defenses in contrast to Mahomes, I added Brady when it became apparent that Mahomes is no longer competing against his contemporaries, he's competing against legends of the game.

EDIT: I should clarify. I think Brady is the GOAT QB, I personally am more inclined to see Jerry Rice as the GOAT of football in general when you compare him to the other legends and top players ever of his position.

I think Mahomes will end his career as the GOAT Though, so this post will be outdated soon enough.

I also think there is a difference between the "Greatest of All Time" and "The Best of All Time". Greatness implies accomplishment. Best implies talent and ability (In my opinion)

Originally Posted by RedinTexas (Post 17579486)

I think Mahomes is clearly the At-This-Point-In-His-Career (ATPIHC) GOAT.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17579431)

It is mildly amusing how we seamlessly transition from laughing at Bills fans for saying Mahomes isn't as athletic and how he's had a lot of help from coaching, Kelce, Tyreek, a top defense last season; while ignoring his huge football brain and leadership and so forth..., to bashing Brady because he benefited from defense, coaching, etc; and didn't do things Mahomes could but was very smart, dedicated, etc.

Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 17579820)

With the convos happening, I thought this would be a nice addition to this convo. Another one from Barry's collection. ROFLROFL

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17580377)

Josh Allen has a bulimia problem. Mahomes embraces body positivity and loves his Coors Light. One guy has three Super Bowls, the other guy has a participation ribbon from a conference championship.

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17590089)

Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17590266)

LMAO

Mahomes and Allen aren't remotely comparable when it comes to stupid costly turnovers (it's not just INTs).

Now that doesn't mean Allen isn't a great QB, but it's a legitimate knock.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17590089)

Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts.