If Mahomes wasn't in the league, Allen and maybe even Jackson would have SB rings already.

Real shit.

So when we bag on these guys, it's kinda unfair. It's kinda bullshit.

These are great talents. They just happened to exist in the Mahomes era. Kinda ****ed for them, but oh well.

If Brady didn’t exist, Manning is likely the GOAT.

Some fanbases are lucky, and some are really really lucky

Allen and Jackson are to Mahomes what Karl Malone and Charles Barkley were to Michael Jordan. They couldn't win a single ring, and Jordan would likely have pulled off an actual eight-peat had he not taken 2 years off.

Completely agreed. Allen is really an amazing QB and Lamar is a crazy athletic talent, but Mahomes is the closest thing we've seen to simply an inevitability in professional football in these last 6 years. No Defense? No Problem. No Wide Receivers? Get the Special Teams Guys on the field to catch the ball. Severe ankle injury and pain? He'll run through it into eternal glory.

The biggest problem that Josh Allen has regarding his career is that he's playing in the same timeframe as Mahomes. Unfair, but true.

The funny part is we could make an argument they would not, without going into all the different variables....
2020 Bills... they got their asses handed to them by the Chiefs, not confident they would beat the Bucs (if they got that far).

2021 Bills... obviously their best chance, but the Chiefs team that beat them didn't even make the Super Bowl, so who knows.

2023 Bills vs Ravens... Allen against that defense, could he reel it in and not **** it up with some 4th quarter hero ball? Does Jackson try winning with his legs? I'd probably go Ravens here, not knowing how much healthier the Bills defense would have been a week later.

2023-24 SB... damn, this leaves Jackson vs Purdy. Purdy probably doesn't have 5 turnovers again, but wouldn't have been surprised if Lamar got his.
I'd give him a better chance with that defense than I'd give the Bills in this game, TBH.

2020 Bills….They would have gotten crushed by Tampa.

2021 Bills…. They win the SB. Honestly the biggest reason KC lost to Cincinnati was because Mahomes had the worst half of his playoff career. Buffalo looked really good and had they beat KC I really think they knock off the Bengals and the Rams.

2023 Bills vs Ravens…. I see Baltimore winning that one. Buffalo is not KC and as such I highly doubt Baltimore abandons what got them the #1 seed. Baltimore bullies teams (except for KC) and they would have done the same to Buffalo that they did to every non KC team.

Todd Collins was between Kelly and Flutie. I fear the odd pink squirrel suffocation

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Personally I’m never actually criticizing Allen much. I’m the one who’s been saying for two years he is far better than Burrow and is the second best QB in the league. It’s the Bills fans though who think because he’s second best that it automatically means he’s is on the same tier as Mahomes and they twist themselves into knots trying to show it that I find a tad ridiculous.

Would love to see Bills/Ravens/Bengals fans go at it over who is the 2nd best QB.

ya I agree that he's the 2nd best QB in the league. He's actually performed pretty well against the Chiefs and actually put his team in position to have a strong chance of winning. But you know how that ended since we have the best QB in history. I can recognize good players even if they don't play for my favorite team, many people can't.

I would make an NFL QB tier list like this

S++ Mahomes
S+ nobody
S Allen, Burrow, Jackson
A Hurts, Stroud, Goff
B Prescott, Lawrence

something along those lines

Give me a break. Mahomes is "close to" Brady? Brady isn't fit to wash Mahomes' jock strap. Brady was nothing but hype and fraud and cheating. He wasn't even good. He was okay.

Ask yourself this - if Adam Vinateiri misses a few kicks, if that garbage tuck rule call isn't made, and if the Patriots didn't cheat so rampantly, would Brady have ever won a Super Bowl? You saw the absolutely unbelievably rigged reffing in the Chiefs vs. Bucs Super Bowl. Intercepting Brady and having flags come out afterwards to cancel out the interception. Refs with kids named after Brady. Passes 114 rows up out the back of the end zone for PI first downs. The only way Brady could even move the ball was from flags. That was an abomination. The day the music died.

I'm tired of people acting like Brady is anywhere NEAR Mahomes level. He wasn't. Never was.