Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17980511)

When the point being made for months now has "he makes everyone around him a little worse" when he plays lazy ball, it's just an awful leap in logic to take a game without him and say "hey, they didn't have HIS 15 points/10 rebounds!".

Uh, we aren't talking about HIS stats and how they apply to the final score, we're talking about him dragging down everyone else.

If you have a slug on defense, of course it's going to make everyone look bad when you're 4 on 5... if the one guy you're feeding the ball is not getting position or not going hard to the basket, of course that's going to take away from assists and so forth.

You' basically have to take performance with and without him, then subtract his points/rebounds/etc from it, because nobody is arguing the NET product is worse. The entire damn offense runs through him, of course it'll be worse when he's not even there.

And then when he busts his ass, guys are picking up more assists or easy buckets, playing better overall defense, etc.... pretty obvious stuff.

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 17980644)

He can get lazy at times, but even that's blown way out of proportion. Part of what's perceived as laziness is just being a big, unathletic oaf. It shouldn't shock anyone when a speedy 6'0 guard beats him to a loose ball.

Obviously everyone would love to see him giving 110% every second of every game, but it's weird to harp on this constantly when a) we're not seeing 110% effort from the rest of the team at all times, and b) it's the least of the team's worries.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17980663)

If only he clapped more like KJ. That would show how much he cares about KU basketball.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17980663)

If only he clapped more like KJ. That would show how much he cares about KU basketball.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17980660)

I don't think it matters a ton in the grand scheme or anything... he obviously needs elite players around him, unlike a truly elite player who wills themselves to results (as has been discussed a few times). It’s not like anyone is saying this is a FF team if only Dickinson gave a shit.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17980660)

It's just an uninspired, boring team not even worth watching over the past couple seasons. All his fault? Of course not. Some just expected more from all the hype and NIL$$$, the very least of which was being a better leader and giving a shit about Kansas basketball.

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17980739)

JFC this KU thread has turned into the NBA thread - endless arguing about 1 player

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17980739)

JFC this KU thread has turned into the NBA thread - endless arguing about 1 player

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17980750)

Wonder how many KU fans would come back to this thread regularly if it wasn't for 2 or 3 in here... maybe we can discuss net positive impacts of endless opinion spamming with a complete lack of understanding for nuance.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17980758)

If only some would stop trashing the team's best player by far on the regular in here. Alas...

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17980767)

It's actually a pretty hot topic in CBB, so obviously it's going to be a hot topic here.

I opened reddit for all of 30 seconds without scouring for CBB stuff (or maybe Chrome is feeding reddit information :shrug: ) and some guy is asking about him.

That's a fairly common thread on CBB, whether from KU fans or other team fans.

Everyone in the country has such bizarre takes, I guess.

https://i.imgur.com/Gf8HbKP.jpeg

https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/s/Wl7JWWAAjl

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17980786)

For some reason Dickinson's team had success when he played with good players with spacing on Michigan (instead of players who opponents don't guard at KU). I don't make a habit of going on there, but I wonder if Reddit has pondered why that could be yet.