Yeah, so not DJ Humphries

Correct.

But… Cam Robinson.

Best feasible option now, yes.

Becton excelled this past season at guard.

Cam Robinson received a 70 PFF grade in pass blocking. Not terrible. It's adequate to give Mahomes enough time. In contrast, Wanya got a 55 PFF in pass blocking. Cam would be an upgrade - maybe not the greatest upgrade, but an upgrade nonetheless.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cam-...9#gradesWidget

Cam Robinson left a bad taste in people’s mouth because he got whooped by Verse but then Mailata also did a week later so.

If he’s another Eric Fisher who doesn’t handle power well, then I guess that just is what it is.

I'm far more concerned with him getting absolutely shit on by the smouldering remains of the Detroit DL.

Could be wishful thinking but I recall thinking that night that Darnold went full pumpkin. Held the ball forever.

Yes, but Cam Robinson also looked like shit on the few reps I bothered to watch. Then turns around and does it again against the Eagles. That's why in an ideal world I'd just rather not but at this point it's him, wasting resources and reps on a completely useless brokedick once again and hoping THIS time it's different, or running it back again with Suamataia or Morris, which they've already shown they aren't willing to give them the support on the job needed for them to not tank the offense while they learn.

I know it’s a highlight tape of sorts, but this is easily the best hand usage we’d see from a Chiefs LT since Fish: https://youtu.be/tXHtL_1qdFs?si=HYDRBbDox2hD8zQ3

Feet are more than adequate too. It’s a fit no doubt. Also LOVING the spurts of shit talk he does in there after beating his opponent. That he was able to plug and play into the Vikings offense without their production dropping off for 10 games says a lot given he replaced a Pro Bowler.

Goodness those 35.5 inch arms pop. He gets paws on guys with ease.

Better than Donovan Smith. Scheme fit. He’s not gonna ruin games all of the time and need help from scheme/chipping at all times bc he can’t hold up.

He’s “fine”. Not great. Not bad. “Fine”. And that’s a hell of an upgrade from what we had last year.

A playable LT boosts this offense immensely. We saw that with Orlando and Donovan.

I watched this week 18 Lions/Vikings recap and found 1 “bad”play from Cam, the sack at 9:10, which could be attributed to the interior caving in and how Darnold reacted to it as much as anything. Had a hell of run block that sprung a huge explosive around 5:10. https://youtu.be/F4kJDW4aLLQ?si=WyucuaPCjckemXSt

This guy is such a Chief.

I got “Cam Robinson” tattooed on my lower back already

Cam stamp

Cam Robinson gave up an 8.23% pressure percentage last year. For reference, Wanya gave up 7.71%.

The only LTs in the league to give up a higher percentage all had under 250 pass block snaps. Larry Borom, James Hudson III, and Joe Noteboom are the next 3, all at over 9%, all backups.

Vederian Lowe, who gets chastised by New England fans, was better at 6.57% and had over 500 PB snaps.

You guys want this turd to be our LT. Talk about diving head first into the shallow end of the pool.

I know, but is that because he finally has his head screwed on straight, or because he's more suited to guard at this point? Because if it's the former, as dismal as the other options are, I think it's worth some consideration.

Where is that stat coming from?

I gotta be honest, IDK that there’s many OL stats you can trust. Lot of context gets missed.

The NFL Next Gen stats for example are completely stupid.

Well, to be fair to Cam Robinson-based on the only Vikings game I saw this season, Darnold holds the ball FOREVER.

So I've not seen enough of Robinson to be a fair judge.

How much of that is a product of Sam Darnold holding onto the ball too long?

PFF. Not too many places track and publish OL pressure statistics. While I generally don't approve of most things PFF, such as their grading, they do at least look and see if an OL gave up a sack, hit, etc. I do believe they take QB time to throw into account when assigning these, which somewhat answers FloridaMan's question.

What's bad about Cam is that he was just as bad with Lawrence at QB in Jax. Plus, Darnold might have locked up in the playoffs but he didn't hold the ball forever all season long. He's ****ing horrendous. He's the one player I pray we absolutely do not sign.

I don’t know man, I’m not saying you’re totally wrong because I’d have to watch the film to be fair.

But the little I have seen shows traits better than we’ve had. So the lows would have to be LOW as can be for him to be a bad option.

I agree. I don’t think Robinson is a top 10 tackle. But he is better than what we had last year. And he’s as good at what Alaric Jackson is. So I don’t get the pounding of the table for Jackson and crapping on Robinson

9ers looking to shed even more salary? Does Silverback have a couple more years left in him? Could that be a stopgap for us?

Yes. We need a real Left Tackle. Another year of this abysmal getting by play of the front line is not okay.

Oh, and get read of Veach's college friend calling plays.

No indication that’s even a possibility at this point

I think the 49ers could take Burden and plug him into the Deebo role and get every bit the production, if not more.

They can re-load. No need to burn it down.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GjjEVe7X...jpg&name=small

Josh Simmons' Instagram accounts he follows

I was wondering the same thing

seems like a cut candidate

I don't know if he's still good or not tbh, didn't pay much attention to the 49ers except for when they played the Chiefs

Trent Williams isn't getting cut or traded. The 49ers just redid his contract last year, even if the they wanted to move on (which there are no indications of) the cap implications make it somewhere between highly unlikely and impossible.

The Chiefs are going to have to trade up into the top 20 for him...

He may be walking with a cane these days.

Yes and Yes...Or at the very least, bring someone else in to be another voice in the headset on offense.

I don’t get this. Another raw prospect that runs a heavy spread/RPO system like Kingsley.

Do not want

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Kansas City Chiefs will host BYU OT Caleb Etienne (<a href="https://twitter.com/BIG_CALEB76?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BIG_CALEB76</a>) on a 30 in-person visit.<br><br>Former JUCO product eventually joined BYU from Oklahoma State, playing his best ball for the Cougs en route to First-Team All-Big 12 honors.<a href="https://twitter.com/TheDraftNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheDraftNetwork</a><a href="https://t.co/0jgIvx8ktl">https://t.co/0jgIvx8ktl</a></p>&mdash; Justin M (@JustinM_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1896236912320651382?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Reid has at least two guarantees in life - his buddies (coaches) have lifelong job security regardless of performance and his love for BYU/Utah players.

Josh Simmons barely had 33 inch arms. Barely.

Ugh

Racist!

How long are Donovan Jackson's arms? :P

If they want an elite lt these are probably the types of guys they’ll have to develop

Similar to Kingsley

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs drafted tackle arm length since 2013:<br>Fisher-34.5<br>Niang- 34.5<br>Kinnard- 35<br>Morris- 35 1/8<br>Suamatia- 34 1/8<br><br>2025 Notable tackle arm lengths<br>Josh Simmons-33<br>Kelvin Banks-33 1/2<br>Anthony Belton 33 7/8<br>Josh Connerly 33 1/2<br>Aireonte Ersey 33 1/8<br>Donovan Jackson 33 1/2<br><br>��������</p>&mdash; Price Carter (@priceacarter) <a href="https://twitter.com/priceacarter/status/1896222351555166266?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Membou gonna go top 5 now?

He’s a complete freak.

We always knew he was really good at Mizzou, but his ascent the last few months has been incredible.

We kind of assumed he was coming back until the end of the season and now he’s going top 10 in the draft.

Incredible.

Josh Simmons tore his patella tendon instead of a standard ACL? Oh **** man he might fall out of the first rd.

That’s a pretty damn serious injury. For reference, SF DL Drake Jackson had this same injury and missed half of 2023 and didn’t even play in 2024. Lynch was asked about him at the combine and he doesn’t even know if he will be back.

Lot of history of guys not being what whey were after that injury.

Sucks for the kid

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From our Combine coverage: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ohio?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ohio</a> State OT Josh Simmons had very positive medical evaluations in Indianapolis and is healing well, sources say. He is a first-round pick, despite the injury. <a href="https://t.co/laWi7I86yQ">pic.twitter.com/laWi7I86yQ</a></p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1896286467397169505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I put this in the draft forum, but may as well throw it here too:

Current NFL LTs under 34" Arms (from top 40 in snaps played)

Alaric Jackson 32.500 or 33.875 (depending on source)
Bernhard Raimann 32.875
Rashawn Slater 33.000
James Hudson III 33.000
Taliese Fuaga 33.125
Larry Borom 33.125
Jake Matthews 33.325
Jaylon Moore 33.375
Rasheed Walker 33.625
Walker LIttle 33.750
Taylor Decker 33.750


So not all is lost. Some good tackles in that list like Raimann, Slater, Matthews, and Decker.

If we got the threepeat, I doubt we'd spend so much time talking about arm lengths the last few weeks.

Having long arms obviously didn't help the recent Chiefs projects at tackle.

Okay, what if they are willing to settle for competent, usually loses slowly?

Pat just needs adequate. He doesn't need Jonathan Ogden

Arm Length: 34.88 inches

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/wp-c...1662.jpg?w=640

Arm Length: 3.48 miles

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MT...9006089jpg.jpg

This is why they never called him. But apparently he’s healthy now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Via <a href="https://twitter.com/Forbes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Forbes</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/ForbesSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ForbesSports</a>: Former <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> LT Donovan Smith is now healthy and wants to play again in 2025: <a href="https://t.co/yT0r9LKcPt">https://t.co/yT0r9LKcPt</a></p>&mdash; Jeff Fedotin (@JFedotin) <a href="https://twitter.com/JFedotin/status/1896348469352448429?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since 2010, just 36 Offensive Linemen recorded a 4.47 short shuttle or better at the NFL Combine<br><br>31 were drafted ✅<br><br>Those 31 went on to start 80.1% of their NFL games<br><br>The List is a cheat code ✍️�� <a href="https://t.co/YNothSTnaC">pic.twitter.com/YNothSTnaC</a></p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1896206173147398237?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am afraid I have some bad news<br><br>Of the 19 NFL Combine OL who completed the 20-yard shuttle... none hit 4.47 seconds<br><br>The List ✍️�� will not be adding new members this NFL Draft season <a href="https://t.co/9ZBO5lvrRB">https://t.co/9ZBO5lvrRB</a></p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1896315643571687570?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This offseason I&#39;ll dig a bit deeper<br><br>and will look into adding OL who were invited to the NFL Combine but did not complete the 4.47 shuttle until their respective Pro Day - like Spencer Brown<br><br>Here is the 2025 Combine class. A few near misses. <a href="https://t.co/rsFitWjY9B">pic.twitter.com/rsFitWjY9B</a></p>&mdash; Josh Norris (@JoshNorris) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/1896317437869699192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mean he and Rosenhaus can say what they want but the history is there. It’s a horrible injury with a bad track record.

JC Jackson, Jerod Mayo, Victor Cruz and Drake Jackson all had this injury and none of them were the same again.

Lucas Niang also had this injury

Things are looking tough at the moment

Looking at a Smith, Humphries, Suamataia camp battle

Zero percent chance that happens. They’re signing a left tackle, and it won’t be either of those scabs. It might not be anyone to get excited about, but it’ll be better than what we had.

Looks like Ronnie Stanley is off the table. Expected to re-sign with Baltimore in the coming days...Veach had several years to get the LT situation taken care of and we may be down to signing Donovan Smith

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...he-coming-days

Donovan Smith is dead, guys.

Stop bringing him up as an option. There are a handful of veteran options available to us that are better than Donovan freakin Smith.

Jake Paul wants to fight Donovan Smith, thats how cooked his is

Sure, as soon as we don't have to hear anymore about an even more worthless option in DJ Humphries.

Hey I’m with you there.

I’m on the Jaylon Moore train now.

Any option available will have flaws, but he’d arguably have the most upside and be the best value.

if every poster were like you we’d have 3 starting LTs already

I hate to tell you, but it might well be Humphreys or Smith. If either is actually healthy, they're decent players. Big IF. And if the goal is to bridge to Kingsley being ready, I get it.

Kignsley will not be battling for the LT spot in camp.

Even if he ever plays LT as a starter it won't be the 2025 season.

Having a 2nd round pick be a backup for 2 years isn't ideal.

It's going to come down to overpaying for either Cam Robinson or Dan Moore. They don't even have a choice in the matter, not signing a proven, non-broke dick starting left tackle isn't even an option. Doesn't honestly matter how much it costs, they are going to have to swallow their pride and overpay to ensure they land one of the two. Really that simple.

If they can't manage to talk one of these two average joes to come block for Patrick Mahomes and play for Andy Reid for $15-20 million a year, there are bigger problems to tend to.

We overpaid for Taylor and are likely to overpay Trey Smith. Overpaying isn't the issue if the cap space allows for it. They still need to make room though for either Bolton/Reid and another WR or two.

At this point if Donovan Smith’s medicals check out I’d sign him and DJ Humphries if both come in for cheap deals. Have them battle for the starting spot.

Just please God Veach…do not reach for another project tackle in the first rd

Dude, I see Donovan Smith every week at my local Golden Corral and he's looking fit.

Better than a 1st rd pick like FAU sucking ass

If we get anything out of him it’s gravy at this point, also probably to be expected with their obsession with young players in the draft.

Actually for me.....both of those picks are ok. Atleast to me.

My rational being, they took swings at young players at premium high cost valuable positions. It didn't hit (thus far) but that's how you should draft early.

I think we can remove Kingsley from this discussion. The Chiefs have given every indication that he’s been moved to guard.

Sometimes these guys don’t work out. Sometimes they need more time.

Felix was extremely productive in college. 26 TFL and 19.5 sacks in 2 years as a starter to go with size and agility. His 3 cone would have tied for best among DE’s at the combine this year while his 20 shuttle would have been 3rd best.

The pick made sense. Maybe it’s because he’s young. I think he can end up being a late bloomer bc the kid just turned 23 in January.

We’ve seen it before. AJ Espenesa had 2.5 sacks, 5 TFL and 13 QB hits his first 2 years. 3 years since he has 18.5 sacks, 22 TFL and 31 QB hits.

It’s not over for Felix.

Nothing is decided. You're reading way too much into it.

Yeah, if Skyy's timeline is any indicator, they'll keep trying to develop Kingsley for at least the next two seasons before they even consider giving up on him.

Just accept what this year is, it's a shitty LT year in the draft and in FA. Even William Campbell has a questionable arm length.

This is probably why Trey Smith got tagged, this is gonna be another patchwork LT year.

Like it or not, a full off season and conditioning program for D.J. Humphries is likely the solution the Chiefs are leaning towards for LT this year.

That would be absolutely pathetic if that's the plan.

I think you need to have a realization moment that this is not a good OT year in any way shape or form.

If that's what Veach has to end up pivoting to after multiple failed attempts to address it, it's ****ing gross but whatever. To actually have that as the plan of attack is bordering on malfeasance. DJ Humphries is a ****ing brokedick, and an off-season conditioning program won't change that.