Franklin may end up being around for our 2nd.

McConkey won't be I doubt. Pearsall probably won't either.

Odunze is gonna be the best of the big 3 I think.

I would have liked to have seen Malachi Corley at the combine. He is a beast after the catch and would seem to be a good fit in this offense depending on where he ends up going.

Pearsalls combine performance surprised me. I thought he played like a 4.55 guy. Which is why I'm reticent to give much credence to his combine performance.

People can look at Pearsall and Mcconkey and project them to be a Kupp or even Thielan. But for every Kupp and Thielan there's a Renfrow and Alec Pierce. Pearsall turning 24 at the start of next season is tough as Veach doesn't seem to like drafting older players. If Mcconkey is viable on the outside aswell as inside then of course it would be an interesting pick. But right now I think Franklin and Leggett are the guys.

I like Tez Walker a bit, I think he's gone a fair bit before our 2md round pick, and I think he's probably a bit rich at 32. I think he might have the highest ceiling out of anyone left if we stay put at 32, him or Legette, but also a pretty low floor. I'd probably rather going up to get Mitchell. I don't think Franklin is there at 32 either.

Finding a true x and z should be a goal imo, especially if we have 4-5 picks in the top 100. Having an effective, cost controlled receiving corps would really enable the team to extend some talent up for second contracts.

I want BTJ or Mitchell. Franklin's terrible 10 split and disappointing 40 time, may have pushed him out of the late 1st /early 2nd.

I understand wanting a starting tackle, but in today's NFL receivers are more important than linemen. I am not saying linemen aren't important, because they obviously are, but not as important as receivers.

No matter how good a LT is, they work within confines of the play call and protection call. Yeah, top tier LTs are crazy athletic, and usually protect the QBs blindside, but they are rarely directly responsible for scoring, and don't affect the outcome of games the way an elite WR does.

Elite WRs, like Hill or Jefferson, not only work within the play call, but they create when the play doesn't work. What does a LT do when the play doesn't work? Not much.

When Tyreek had 200 yards in a single quarter, no one talked about the stellar LT play that made it possible. LT play usually only gets talked about when it is bad.

A good, decent LT is currently enough for this team. The offensive line room is much better right now than the wide receiver room. Unless we are moving up for Alt, a WR like BTJ or Mitchell will help in the pursuit of the 3-peat more than any offensive tackle we could draft. Honestly, they would do more than Alt too, but Alt is talented enough to justify the move up. (plus, obviously the connection with his father)

Earlier, somewhere, I said Tez Walker was MVS with better hands, and when you watch him, he looks like MVS.

But, he catches the ball and is actually pretty physical when he needs to be. It appears that his route tree is limited to mostly downfield routes, but he is really good at them, so in college, there was no need to learn much else.

This is also how Georgia treated Hardman. They didn't care about developing him, because he did the thing they wanted, so why change anything.

I feel like I was harsh calling him MVS, and I kinda shit on him. I am sorry. The things I said were true, but I was being dismissive of his ability to learn and grow into a more balanced receiver. I felt like a dick, so I watched everything I could get my eyes on, listened to interviews, his, coaches, teammates, etc. and now I think if we don't pick a receiver in the first, and he is available, and BTJ, Mitchell, Worthy, Coleman, Legette, and Franklin aren't there, and any other player who should have already been picked, I wouldn't be upset at all to draft him in the 2nd round.

I saw more plays where he used both his speed and then his physicality to make contested catches, and I think I heard a stat that he only had a single drop all season, with an overall drop percentage of 1% rounded up. But, that may have been a different receiver. He would often be at the edge of Maye's accurate distance, and he would have to adjust or come back a little, and he easily bodied DBs out of the way, and he played some big time programs this year.

I thought about posting some links, and I thought I saved them, but I didn't.

If you really think Rice is a WR1, then Walker would be a great compliment to the offense.

I love Rice, but right now I see a very good #2. Mahomes is working on changing that right now. I think Mahomes could help Walker develop into a great receiver.

But, Reid and Mahomes would have to really coach him up, but as I said a few days ago, Tyreek Hill was a running back when we drafted him. Recently Reid said he intended to use Hill as a return man, but after seeing how fast he was in camp, and also after seeing how Hill has a high football IQ, he said he asked Hill what else he could do.

In the interview Reid said that Hill said give me some time and I will be your best receiver, so Andy started practicing Hill at WR, and said after 2 weeks Hill was right.

I have to remember that draft picks aren't supposed to show up finished products, even though some do.

The league would flip out if we traded up for BTJ.

Crow, I’d love to see your version of what potato has done below. Here are a few thoughts on this order. Thanks potato.

- I think Burton falls some here. He didn’t validate himself as deep threat with that 40 and this is a big class for WRs and he’s 6’. Plus Burton may have some emotional intelligence issues? I still like Burton if he’s available in the late third. The 2nd might be too high for him?

- Coleman might fall with that 4.61 40. I like Coleman. He seems like an easy WR to project what he can do. He’s a football player with great hands and his talent shows better on tape than at the combine but I’m not sure where he goes. Is he the next anquan bolden?

- Franklin might have benefited from the scheme in college and his 40 didn’t validate him. I’m not sure where he goes. Probably mid to late 2nd?

- I don’t see pearsall making it past us in the 2nd. He’s probably mid 2nd also?

- you don’t have the 5th round here but I could see Anthony Gould be a valuable punt returner and slot prospect for us. He’s tiny in the Josh downs size mold but slightly smaller. He’s 5’8” and 176 but he can fly. Combine number of 4.39 40, 1.49 10 yard split, 39.5” vert and a 10’9” broad.

Everyone shooting their load at Worthy and he wasn’t even the most impressive WR to me.

Bryan Thomas Jr ran a 4.36 at 209 lbs and his 10 yard split was 1.50 compared to Worthy’s 1.49

That guy is incredibly impressive. Probably WR4 for most teams

I couldn’t disagree more. KC just won a Super Bowl with a well below average receiving group, that at times flat out sucked. They got their asses best badly by Tampa when they had OL problems. You need protection first and foremost.

Bryan Thomas Jr. and Leggette i think were real winners of the combine for WR's.

My man crush is really building up for those two.

Thomas Jr will be the more impactful vertical 2.

If I can’t a 1, I need an elite 2 with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Thomas Jr is my last elite 2.

I don’t see Franklin or Worthy as elite 2s.

Maybe decoy 2s. Unless you think Gabe Davis is an elite player.

I think the top 3 are gone in the top 10. Have a really hard time seeing Bryan Thomas Jr and Adonai Mitchell last to pick 25.

Bills were all over the WR’s in Indy. They looked at WR more than any other group. They’re 100% taking one of those dudes. Miami and Jacksonville might take one of them too.

In the end I think the Chiefs are gonna have McConkey and Worthy in their range for a trade up or staying.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Veach go after Worthy even with some concerns about body type. Veach was all over Ruggs a few years ago and Worthy is just like him.

They want that Tyreek element back in the offense

Or they simply wont go WR in round 1, which i think is more likely.

Let’s assume the chiefs take a wr at 64. Who do yall think is available and who would you pick?

In his 6 years as GM, Brett Veach has not emphasized the position as important.

An illustration is he was picking up and spending money on defensive depth players with no known number 1 or 2 WRs on the roster.

I think these guys are all locks for the first round.

1. Marvin Harrison Jr.
2. Malik Nabers
3. Rome Odunze
4. Brian Thomas Jr.
5. Adonai Mitchell
6. Xavier Worthy

These guys have a shot at going in round 1, but all three won't make it in.

1. Keon Coleman
2. Ladd McConkey
3. Troy Franklin

Agreed. And im not sure its so much a Veach thing but rather a Reid thing. This pattern goes back to Philly.

First off, he invested 3 day 2 picks in the position since trading Tyreek, so let's stop pretending that they haven't invested in the position the last couple of years. The bigger issue is that only 1/3 panned out. Not to mention that his first big move as GM was signing Watkins when they already had Tyreek and Kelce.

As for the second part of this post, those "defensive depth players" are a big reason we just won our 3rd SB in 5 years you cry baby bitch. I know SBs don't count for you unless they're scoring 30+ throughout the playoffs, but you still sound like a dumbass crying about it.

I think you're right that Reid has been doing this for a while but it might be that Veach is even more hardcore about not investing in WR.

Brett said the trade Tyreek Hill idea was his and he had to sell Andy on the concept.

Imagine how great of a defense we can build seems to be a Veach preoccupation.

He did a good job of doing it but if you're going to do a defensive build you still need more than what he provided the offense.

We haven't done well with the skill draft picks.

We haven't used enough picks or taken chances on WR's later like Mooney, Duvernay, Nacua, Shakir, etc

We haven't invested enough in FA.

And JuJu was our big "hit" and it was just a solid choice.

MVS was an obviously bad contract the moment it signed.

We haven't added good value players at WR either.

It's going to take a lot of change and I fear you could be right.

I don't think we should do another year of treading water because this offense is THIN.

We are depending on an older Kelce who already looked old most of last year and Pacheco who takes a lot of physical abuse.

I would prefer a plan that not only adds this year but gives us hope for the future on offense.

Probably bc history shows WR’s aren’t what’s moving the needle in the playoffs.

Ask Miami how that went with Waddle/Tyreek or Cincy in 2022 with Chase/Higgins?

Tom Brady won 6 super bowls in NE and none of them were with Randy Moss. Mahomes has won more Super bowls without Tyreek than with him.

Andy famously said in Philly “ Andy Reid told Philadelphia, I want two offensive tackles, a quarterback, two pass rushers, two corners, and I'll figure the rest out.”

That seems to be his priority. And who could blame him after what they just did in 2023?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a swing at WR on day 2 every year. Packers and Steelers are probably 2 of the best organizations when it comes to drafting and developing WRs, and that's exactly how they've done it.

We are constantly picking at 29-32. The difference between the WRs that are available outside of the top 20 and those that go in the 2nd round is minimal. The hit rate is about the same.

The Chiefs have never won a SB without an elite weapon on offense.

The first SB they had two HOF weapons in Tyreek and Kelce and the last two years it was Kelce.

The only other team to go the the SB recently from the AFC was Cincinnati.

They don't go without Chase and Higgins.

The other two SB winners include the LA Rams who had Cooper Kupp and OBJ playing at an elite level at WR and Tampa Bay who had Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, and Gronk.


Sorry, but your 1970's mentality isn't how it works anymore.

And even with Kelce playing at en elite level in last year's playoffs and the emergence of Rice later in the year the KC offense went 16 straight drives in the AFC Championship and SB without scoring a TD.

I honestly don't know how much value I put in Veach's past moves as an indication of what he'll do. He seems to throw curveballs each year. If he doesn't go WR this year maybe that really is a habit, but let's see. CB wasn't a R1 priority until it was.

Yup. Rashee Rice is well positioned to be an elite weapon after Kelce retires. There’s no way anybody with a brain could not think this after what we saw from him as a rookie.

He’s only going to get better.

Hoping to see Crow's version as well!

With Burton, I think he's confident not a head case. 0 drops last season, precise route runner, I think he know's he a legit WR with advanced skill set and get's a little chippy bc he's a smaller guy, will play slot in future. Would love a legit #1 WR for the outside + Burton as our new slot. He's what Moore was supposed to be I think.

Which one of these guys can run WASP and go get the ball?

I agree. Burton shows moxie. Not worried about his 40 time at all. His official time was 4.43 with a 1.53 10 yd split, which are great times. He was 3rd fastest overall in top speed in the combine at nearly reaching 24mph, beating out BTJ, Franklin, Means, Coleman, Pearsall.

His routes were crisp in and out, his gauntlet showed speed and great body control and the ability to adjust to passes high, low and behind. He had a fantastic combine. I'm glad he is still the sleeper.

Chiefs spending some time with this lil guy

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Crow's version sucks because my brain is constantly in flux haha. I'm not in the group that thinks 27 WRs are going in the first 2 rounds, though I think about 12 is entirely reasonable this year. I dinged small guys hardest for speed or agility and continued to knock some guys down for drops/tape I didn't like despite good workouts. Some guys are knocked for age too, such as Vele (26), Flournoy (24), and Jeshuan Jones (24)

My last version


Round 1
01. Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State
02. Rome Odunze, Washington
03. Malik Nabers, LSU
04. Xavier Worthy, Texas
05. Brian Thomas Jr., LSU
06. Troy Franklin, Oregon

Round 2
07. Adonai Mitchell, Texas
08. Ladd McConkey, Georgia
09. Keon Coleman, Florida State
10. Malachi Corley, Western Kentucky
11. JaLynn Polk, Washington
12. Jermaine Burton, Alabama

Round 3
13. Ricky Pearsall, Florida
14. Roman Wilson, Michigan
15. Jalen McMillan, Washington
16. Xavier Legette, South Carolina
17. Devontez Walker, North Carolina

Round 4
18. Malik Washington, Virginia
19. Jamari Thrash, Louisville
20. Jacob Cowing, Arizona
21. Brenden Rice, USC

Round 5
22. Ainias Smith, Texas A&M
23. Luke McCaffrey, Rice
24. Javon Baker, UCF
25. Cornelius Johnson, Michigan
26. Tayvion Robinson, Kentucky

Round 6
27. Tahj Washington, USC
28. Johnny Wilson, Florida State (probably a TE conversion)
29. Isaiah Williams, Illinois
30. Anthony Gould, Oregon State
31. Xavier Weaver, Colorado
32. Ryan Flournoy, Southeast Missouri State

Round 7
33. Devaughn Vele, Utah
34. Jeshaun Jones, Maryland
35. Hayden Hatten, Idaho
36. Jordan Whittington, Texas
37. Bub Means, Pittsburgh
38. Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint, Georgia

What would it take to move from 32 to 27 with the Cardinals to grab Brian Thomas Jr. Wanted Troy Franklin but, now hoping we might get a shot (slim) @ Brian Thomas Jr. or trade back and see what is left in the second round. Ladd McConkey? Xavier Legette? What if we get a team to grab Sneed for 2 draft picks? What then? Thoughts?

Couple quick post-combine addendums to earlier posts I made:

It's always been my opinion the gauntlet drill translates pretty well to what you can expect these guys to turn out to be. The gauntlet doesn't show you much in terms of quickness/route running, but in my opinion it gives you a good idea who can catch, and who can catch at game speed. It's one of the reasons I wasn't as high as others on Jalin Hyatt last year.

My opinion of Keon Coleman has changed. I thought he killed the gauntlet drill, so his stock has gone up for me. I wasn't sure he had quickness and speed to separate and I questioned why FSU used him on punt returns. There's a difference between game speed and track speed. You're not catching a football running track. The way Coleman didn't slow down to catch those passes and how confidently he caught them with his hands really impressed me. He's a natural hands-catcher with great size and good game speed. He also showed better quickness than I expected in some of the other drills. We could do worse at pick 32 than this guy and since watching him at the combine, I wouldn't be at all disappointed if we picked him.

My reservations regarding Troy Franklin were exacerbated after watching his gauntlet and a few other drills. His 40 went as I expected, maybe even better. But he just doesn't seem like a natural hands-catcher to me. He weaved and he slowed down quite a bit in the gauntlet. Some of the other drills had me questioning his ability to fight through press coverage, run quick routes, and catch the football. He lost his balance in a lot of drills, seems like he'd be easy to jam. He has great speed, but I didn't see the quickness that you need to run crisp routes. And he just doesn't seem like a natural, confident catcher of the football to me. He's the kind of guy who could have a few drops early in his career that mess with his mind. Just my opinion and I could be wrong, I know a lot of you guys who I respect like him.

I always liked Coleman. But his stock is the same for me. The problem with Coleman is though his upside is higher than a Franklin, it might take 2-3 years to get there.

Too risky to spend a 1st on that so for me he's a value in the 2nd if you can afford to be patient.

KC does not fit "can be patient" on that timeline.

Let a rebuilding team try that.

Give me Adonai, Thomas Jr, or McConkey.

Is Worthy capable of putting 15+ pounds of muscle on his frame?

Jameson Williams and (to a much lesser degree) Devontae Smith have soured me on the string-bean-body field stretchers; I thought those dudes would be all-world.

The guys who end up being studs seem to be in the 5'11+, 195+ range. There are some outliers like Tyreek, but his speed and cuts are 1 of 1, and he's built thick as hell.

Jefferson, Chase, Diggs, Evans, Brown, Kupp, Lamb, McLaurin, Metcalf, Adams, St. Brown, Samuel, Olave, Rice, Nacua.... Those are the studs of the league.

Zay Flowers is legit, but, got the ball punched out in the AFCCG like a little bitch.

Give me another big boy. If you aren't at least 5'10 and 185+, I'm looking elsewhere.

Man, I agree with you on everything, except for Legette.

I understand he had no production prior to this year, but the dude is huge, fast, and explosive.

The only potential issue i see is if he can or cannot pick up this offense.


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I love Thomas, but no way he's still on the board at 32. Mitchell had a strong combine and might not be there either. Even though he's not a "sexy" pick, I'd have absolutely no problem with McConkey. He impressed me at both the Senior Bowl and the combine.

The Chiefs have an absolute HUGE NEED for a #1 WR in a draft with multiple guys that could be difference makers.

Maybe it's time to get quality over quantity and to move up instead of letting other AFC contenders take a guy that we could destroy worlds with.


To make up for the loss of draft capital just get a few nice value signings like Pennel to make up for the roster depth of the draft picks used to move up.

The question is can Mcconkey play outside?

It's not a question. He can.


It's not going to be a vertical, take the top off role but he can line up and get open anywhere.

I think we have a #1 in the making in Rashee Rice and want a guy that can play the move Z who opens up the field and can catch it when he does. You can preach all the Alpha bullshit in the world, but none of these guys are sure things when you start looking at them either. I've seen Rashee Rice on an NFL field and am pretty ****ing confident that a rookie that went for nearly 950 for Andy Reid in year 1 with an "Alpha" build is going to be pretty ****ing good. We need a dangerous slot and a move Z. And for those guys, you need guys that can run all day long because that's how Andy Reid uses them.

Are there things I don't like about Franklin, Worthy, McConkey, and Wilson? Abso****inglutely. But I like their type for what we need and the offense we run alot more than some of these other fringe guys like Coleman, Mitchell, and Corley. Give me the guys that can run the yard at 100% the entire game.

So, I feel like Coleman could be a Brett Veach special, because one thing we know about Veach is a player's age really matters to him, and Coleman is 20 years old. He turns 21 in May.

I love his potential, and his skill set. And I feel like Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes can maximize his talent, and help him improve.

I wonder if he plans to run again at the Florida State pro day.

I like Coleman.

Would rather go in a different direction though.

That would be nice.

But I don't take the lesser prospect because of hope.

What I don't like about McConkey (and I do like him) is that I feel like he has already maximized his potential.

Like, I feel like we have seen the final version of what he can do. Sure, almost all players improve when football becomes their job, and they are coached by NFL coaches, but I don't know exactly how he would improve.

And there are other receivers that seem to be in their final form, like Harrison Jr. and Nabers. The difference is, their final form is already enough to make an immediate difference for their teams in the NFL.

McConkey was a very, very good college receiver. He has speed. He runs good routes. But, there is a reason he is projected to be a second round pick. If he didn't go to Georgia, and have the Nattys, he might be a 3rd round pick.

Me too. I hate wanting players that I know we probably don't have a chance in hell to draft.

That doesn't bother me. You get a good player at WR. That's not nothing.

My issue with McConk is his value completely depends on situation.

Lots of NFL scouts love this type of player but not every NFL team actually uses them.

So he could go somewhere and just be good and not get volume and no one will know who he is.

Or he could be a better Amon Ra in a Ben Johnson offense.

I would personally take him and use him but that's my explanation.

Look at Jeudy in Denver. Great route runner but never got to be focal and he was a better prospect than McConk.

Bring the Troy Franklin to this team.

Maybe Adonai Mitchell, but definitely the Troy Franklin. Just what we need post MVS -

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We agree to disagree on who the lesser prospects are.

Frail Frankin and tiny Worthy don’t project as NFL 1 WRs.

Skipping out on guys who do because you hope Rice becomes that is poor value in round 1.

Some additional thoughts...

Crow, thanks for sharing!

I'm not willing to put Worthy ahead of BTJ based on their down field production but speed is at a premium in the league. If Worthy does go first and BTJ comes within reach, I'm curious if we'd considering trying to move up for him.

I believe Mitchell's jumped Franklin on most team's boards but hard to ignore Franklin's on field production. Franklin just has some weird outliers that will get flagged by some teams I think, mainly drop %, 10 yard split, his size, and that ugly gauntlet drill. Still want him on our Chiefs tho!

I agree with whoever said the gauntlet is more important than the 40 for showcasing game speed, and I was thoroughly impressed with Coleman's performance. I think he looked like a young footballer who wasn't comfortable running track, but he was a duck in water during that live football drill. I've referenced his football instincts and natural athletic talent previously. Xavier Worthy's climb makes Coleman more likely to be available when we pick, but I also agree that he might not be the biggest impact player year 1 considering his age. I wonder if a more precise WR like Burton or Walker would perform better in year 1. The upside is very intriguing though, and for those looking for an alpha I think Coleman's the #1 alpha in the draft despite being the one of the youngest to declare.

I don't know why, but I have a feeling about Malachi Corley and the Chiefs. Had the same feeling about Mazi Smith last year.

Does anyone know where we can watch the full coverage of the WR drills online? Really want to see J Wilson and X Legette run that gauntlet!

Also, I'm not willing to give Rashee Rice the #1 WR spot yet.

We aren't getting the most likely Alpha's in this draft. Those 3 are going top 10.

You're HOPING that Mitchell becomes one but he doesn't look like one already.

I would hope Franklin becomes DeVonta Smith but his college production and physical profile more closely align to Smith than Mitchell does any Alpha WR in the league right now.

If you want to be serious about projection, then college production DOES matter and DOES translate. Only 24% of the top 50 WRs in the NFL last season in receptions never had a 1k season in college. Of those 12, only 2 were drafted in the 1st round.

The entirety of that list is:

Tyreek Hill (5-165)
Stefon Diggs (5-146)
Puka Nacua (5-177)
Chris Olave (1-11)
Nico Collins (3-89)
Terry McLaurin (3-76)
Jaylen Waddle (1-6)
D.K. Metcalf (2-64)
George Pickens (2-52)
Curtis Samuel (2-40)
Deebo Samuel (2-36)
Darius Slatyon (5-172)

So you're hoping that Mitchell breaks into rare air as a non-1k receiver that gets drafted in round 1 AND he becomes a top-50 wideout? I mean, only 4% of those in last year's group.

And yet you sit here and discount two 1k WRs in Worthy and Franklin who are more likely from that stat alone to be top-50 WRs in the league?

Nope.

I don’t care about your analytics.

I prefer NFL traits and how they project at the next level.

Give me the bigger, stronger better route runner that weighs 40 lbs more over your tiny little tot.

College production does not predict as well as you think because if it did, why watch them play?!

Just fire the scouts and run your Twitter spread sheets.

If it was purely about watching them play and not about projecting traits and using analytics, Mitchell wouldn't crack my top 20. But here I have him currently at 7th in what may be a historic group of WRs. Your blinders are strong man.

Look, we’re talking past each other.

I’m not going to argue about analytics anymore that I will argue astrology.

And even if Adonai is better you will then just say it was luck.

Ok, I'm gonna drive a stake in the ground with you and call this argument a day...

If my top 6 WRs were off the board and it was between Kamari Lassiter at CB and Mitchell at WR I'd take Lassiter 10/10 times. I Franklin was there too, I'd probably flip a coin between Lassiter and Franklin and I'm kinda starting to lean Lassiter there too. Maybe because I think that much of Lassiter and maybe Lassiter will rise, he certainly could.

And you know who I think could very well end up better than both of Franklin and Mitchell if his head is actually on straight? Jermaine Burton.

He can get off press, he's got good hands, he can track the deep ball. Crispen those routes and you have a really good player with enough there to think he could become a Stefon Diggs, Reggie Wayne, Laveranues Coles, Jeremy Maclin, Torry Holt etc. My only question about Burton is between his ears and it just might be he's a bit of a show-off.

Kelce has always been a bit of a show-off. Tyreek was too. If he's great, I can deal with a bit of that.

It’s weird that you scream about production but now advocate for Burton.

LMAO

Both Lance Zierlein and Dane Brugler have the Chiefs taking Xavier Worthy in their latest post-combine mock drafts.

Makes sense.

People trying to stop our 3peat.

I’m sure the rest of the NFL prefers equity and fairness.

You don't think I'm being fair now?

You can't point to anything that separates Mitchell from anyone in this class. He wasn't overly productive. He doesn't run great routes. He plays slow but runs fast in shorts. He didn't show strength in coverage. He never had to face a #1 CB. He never had to deal with much press. He didn't see much over-the-top coverage. He didn't get much zone LB attention because of Sanders. I mean the list goes on and ****ing on with things against him and very little except size, good hands, and the Olympics going for him. That's great.

So you have my gut feeling guy now too. Impressive analysis? You betchya. My boy runs a 4.45 at 6'0" 195 and has great hands. You're welcome.

Now if you want, you can point me to something of substance that indicates why, precisely, your boy is worthy of a 1st round pick. Hell, make a good point he should be a top 48 pick. That means he has to go higher than George Pickens did. "This dude's an Alpha" just doesn't quite do it for me.

I'd actually forgot about Burton. I really liked him when he was playing. I still see him talked about as a top 64 guy but I'm not sure.

Your views on Mitchell are way stranger than mine.

You won’t listen to reason here. Your mind was made up and there’s nothing I can do if you think little Worthy is a better football player when Cosell of NFL films and a guy who ran an NFL team and talks to current scouts are not seeing what you are seeing.

Find a starter at LT in 1st

DT in 2nd

Brenden Rice in 3rd

Luke McCaffrey in 4th

CB, LB, RB, or TE for remaining

I don’t disagree with the need you’ve described but I could see us going in a variety of ways to make this work. We need a field stretcher but I don’t know that we need to spend a high pick on that position if they have holes in their game. I agree with some of the concerns with Franklin. And he’s the field stretcher, MVS replacement, that we all covet that can stretch the field. We all want that but Franklin has had the benefit of that college scheme. His build up speed problems and his problems with hands were limited in the system. I’m not sure how well his game translates to the pro game. There are other ways to meet those needs as you’ve described. We need a deep threat but that doesn’t mean that we couldn’t employ a big slot. I loved watching Larry Fitzgerald playing in the slot and I could see Coleman being a player like that. We could go later in the draft for our field stretcher or via free agency. I’m not forcing myself to pick for that need. Let’s just pick players that we can project their success in our system. Use free agency for a deep threat if we don’t project their success. That’s what we did with MVS. We just missed on the signing.

This 100%. Great analysis here.

If the Chiefs elect not to take a WR at 32 then I would love for them to get Roman Wilson in the 50’s like they did Rice.

Wilson seems like a great fit here.

I like Roman Wilson alot. He'd be my 2nd round choice.

Depends what they do with FA. If you add someone nice in FA, it lets you maybe explore some other positions

Yeah I think they’re gonna get Mooney and have the MVS role already filled.

Every mock I’ve seen has the top 5 (big 3 + Mitchell/Thomas Jr) gone well before we could even get a trade up for either.

Jags, Colts and Bills will be in on those guys

After Mitchell's combine, I would be surprised if he makes it to 32. No chance Thomas JR does, and I don't know that Worthy will now either.

I'm fine with Mitchell going ahead of us, I'm not a fan and hope he moves one of the others down for us.

I'm still really shocked that Worthy only caught 6 deep balls all season. That doesn't compute given his speed IMO and concerns me.

Starting to believe we stick with Veach's traditional draft plan and take a WR in the 2nd.

Franklin, Coleman, McConkey, Polk, Legette, Corley, Walker, Burton etc... So many options to choose from it seems most practical.

A small move up in the 2nd, just like we made for Rice, or a Sneed trade for a 2nd would get it done.

Which player is usually the better player on any team, the one that gets more targets and produces more or the one that gets less?

Who normally gets drafted higher?

Even in your fabled stroke of genius, Campbell was drafted 2 rounds higher than McLaurin.

Circumstances aligning perfectly is a rarity, not a regularity.

I’m starting to fall in love with Coleman at 50ish if we can get that pick for sneed. Let’s find our deep threat later in the draft or via free agency, maybe both? I feel like Coleman’s actual game speed is better than his combine numbers. And he can catch and his radius is great plus the one handed catches get me real excited with Mahomes.

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2024/...raft-prospects

Keon Coleman, Florida State (6-foot-3 1⁄4, 213 pounds)
The former Michigan State product may have turned some fans away with his 4.61 40-yard dash—the second slowest time of the wide receiver group—but for a team like the Lions that value GPS timing over the 40, Coleman is still likely high atop their wide receiver rankings.

As the NFL Network broadcast brought up several times, NFL Rookie of the Year candidate Puka Nacua (4.57 40-yard dash) ran the fastest time in the “gauntlet drill” last year (20.06 MPH), illustrating how his GPS speed translates more than straight-line speed.

This year, Coleman took home the honor of the fastest gauntlet time (20.36 MPH), the second fastest “go route” time (21.71 MPH)—behind only Thomas—as well as landing in the top four of several other categories Next Gen Stats GPS tracks.

Coleman’s game film points to his route precision needing to be cleaned up, but in on-field drills, you could tell he is working on that part of his game. While going full speed through the routes, Coleman stayed on course and covered ground very quickly. He got low into his breaks and showed explosion getting out of them. His length showed up in his stride and catching radius, and his hands looked very solid on the day as a whole.

I'd probably take Legette in round 2 over some of these guys in round 1 if I could get a CB/DE/T in the first.

In a way I hope other teams over react to the WR's and we get another position that slides a little.

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WR runs fast? Give him to the Chiefs.

I mean Worthy does have Chiefs written all over him. I've been saying it for weeks.

It use to be, give him to the Raiders.

I would not be surprised.


It does look like the kind of player we have gone for, unfortunately.