Carr playing for Reid would be considered an elite QB. Not Mahomes or anything like that, but he'd be the a hell of a lot better off, and have playoff wins if not a superbowl on his resume.

He would be another Alex Smith. Tons of regular season wins, but would fold in the playoffs.

The football team is also the only reason anyone wants to hang out with him. It's like that really dorky kid in elementary school who has an amazing slot car track. You'll put up with the kid to get access to the slot cars.

Random side story: when I was a kid I had the best football in the neighborhood by far. This football was perfect - nice leather, easy to grip, a perfect heft to carry or throw. 100 percent of the time when we were playing sandlot, my football was the one that was selected as the game ball.

I moved into a new neighborhood at one point, and played a couple of games in the vacant lot. One day there was a knock on my door and one of the kids said, "Hey, we're about to play football over in the lot. Can we use your ball?"

I said, "I'm in! Let me get my ball."

The kid got a surprised look on his face and froze up. Then he said, "Oh. Uhhh, yeah, I guess you can play too if you want."

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Damn. That story hurts to read.

Yeah. That is why I laugh when Raiders fans say if he sells the team he can be rich. Mark doesn't care about the money. He wants to own the team. He is one of 31 owners. It is a select club. People want to hang with him because of that.

He sells the club and Charles Woodson isn't around any more. He is just a rich man with a bowlcut. All those invitations dry up.

That team has lost the will to live. They may run the table and lose out

Right with you.

I mean sure, **** the Faid, but it’s hard to hate Carr. He doesn’t run smack like some of these other ****s do, and that dude has actually produced.

He has the caliber of skills to make some elite plays but he doesn’t have the capacity to do it under pressure. And you know what? That’s like almost everybody else ever to play the game.


No love lost or Stanning for Carr. But if all but the most elite guys would have had a similar or worse outcome. And maybe it’s because I’m getting older but I can’t help but think how much it would suck to be in that position.

I've not rooted for losing out before, but I'm there today.

Of course, it is the Raiders so they'll find a way to win one or two down the stretch and screw up the draft picks.

I just realized that I will be in Vegas (for the CES show) coming back on 1/8. Day of the Chiefs-Raiders game. Changed my flight so I can go to the game. There is a good chance that Mahomes and crew don't play the last game if our seed is locked up, but I'll be there hopefully not getting shanked. Although Vegas is a wine and cheese town these days, so I doubt it's like the old days in Oakland. Looking forward to it. Will be my 3rd game in a year, not bad for someone living in DC.

imagine you spend your entire life working to get to the NFL. pop warner, jr high, high school, college. you work your ass off to learn and practice and be the best you possibly can. you get scouted because someone sees you're more talented than your peers. you work your ass off every day to turn that talent into an opportunity to play in the NFL. you manage to avoid a career ending injury. finally, it's draft day. all that hard work is finally going to pay off, you're going to be a star doing the only thing you've ever cared about.

and you get drafted by the raiders lol

The best thing is the Raiders full on saying there will not be moving on from McDaniels, they just had an entire regime change so they need stability to let him do what needs to be done...hilarious.

I don't hate Carr anymore than I'd hate any battered woman.

But I am somewhat exasperated by them and struggle to find sympathy. This guy's standing up there defending a piece of trash like Josh McDaniels.

He did the same stuff with Gruden.

He's something of a mindless automaton; just another cliche spewing robot who takes orders well.

Except this one gets all weepy when things are tough. And wears eyeliner.

****'m...

I haven't watched much of them over the last few weeks, but they were a playoff team a year ago. They returned much of the same squad and added Davante Adams. I feel like they should not be this bad.

Truthfully, they're a little worse than I prefer. I'd rather they get around the 8-9 mark.

Colts had the good fortune of running into the one team more dysfunctional than they are.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ainful-process

Rome was not built in a day!

I kind of want to say that Pioli said that in kansas city but I can't remember 100%. Seems like a 'patriot way' thing to say.

The Stepford Quarterback

Yea, and it took four hundred years, give or take, for the Roman empire to fall apart.

Not sure what that has to do with the Faid.

The only thing that I hate about the Raiders is they are so bad and have been for so long I’ve lost the energy to continue to hate them.

Nah who am I kidding. I still hate them.

I see a few of you saying it’s hard to hate Carr because he “seems like a nice guy”. That’s not why it’s hard to hate him. I’d argue it’s easy to like him because he ensures the Raiders will go nowhere due to his mediocre abilities. If he was good it wouldn’t be hard to hate him, even if he seemed like a nice guy.

This thread will NEVER leave the front page of CP.

I feel you on this. Not a ****ing team I hate worse than Dungver. But Chargers/Faders just seem like secondary characters in this episode. Probably because Dungver fans were going apeshit when they were gifted Manning. But that was only a few years. They’re gonna have to deal with Mahomes (who even Wolfe was ready to get away from) for well over a decade and a half. They’ll hate us worse than we EVER hated them by the end of this run. It’s gonna be a Patriots :eek: type stranglehold on the division until the goat retires.

It’s amazing how that franchise with its history has devolved into utter irrelevance. Once the newness wears off in LV they will become another home game for opposing teams.

I have a couple friends who live there. They say that the tickets to their games go to gamblers instead of fans. So there is not a real HFA there. As a fan of a rival team, couldn’t have asked for a better outcome.

That is when you make it clear if the Raiders draft you, you aren't signing and will be in next years draft.

So the Chiefs do not face a hometeam crowd in Los Angeles for the Chargers or Las Vegas for the Raiders, and they only face a hometown crowd for the first 2.5 quarters in Denver.

that's what the owner of the faid is saying hence the linked article

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Josh McDaniels as a head coach<br><br>First 6 games 6-0<br>Next 31 games 7-24 <a href="https://t.co/c5AZd7neNe">pic.twitter.com/c5AZd7neNe</a></p>&mdash; NFL on CBS �� (@NFLonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1592171998851072003?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Carr doesn't make players better due to his play. That and I actually think Carr was calling out his coach while he was crying if I were to read between the lines?

:D

Watch Derek Carr get cut and we pick him up as Hennes replacement and flip him for a mid rounder a couple years later.

Valid points. Can’t argue other than to say what is he supposed to do? And to date, Gruden WAS far and away the best coach he had, as criminal as that may be.

But yeah, I have no problem amending my statement to “**** ‘em”

Tell that to Nelson Agholor and Zay Jones who both got PAID after Carr made them look good for a year.

His brother sucked and lucked himself into a super bowl ring. If Derek wants a ring, he's going to have to get it as a backup too.

Right. I love Carr. Good enough for the Raiders to keep him, not good enough to ever be a threat to the Chiefs. I hope he plays another 9 years for them.

Bigger disaster: Broncos or Raiders?

I’ll say Broncos, because they’re married to Russ for a long time and gave up their future for him.

The Raiders have more ability to abandon ship and move on.

Plus, no established coach is going to want to go to denver to try and turn chicken shit into chicken salad

There's probably more reason to think that the current roster could get things turned around too, plus they have their draft picks. (Not that the Raiders can do anything with a 1st round pick, but hey, anything could happen.)

Both. They are both train wrecks. It's glorious. Even if the Raiders do abandon ship and move on, they'll **** it up. It's what they do. We may go the entirety of the Mahomes era with one kind of challenger in the division.

I love it when teams hire former Belechick assistants to be their HC. It always ends in disaster and yet they continue down that road.

I don’t understand either POV; he’s a raider, I hate him, with ease.

Raiders claimed Tillery off waivers. All our problems are solved.

SB or bust now!!!!

Broncos. Raiders can move on from Carr pretty easy this year if they so choose.

Gotta be Dungver. They’re anchored to an albatross of a contract and a quarterback they’ll never get good production out of. It’s gonna make it extremely difficult to do much until they can cut bait on EmbaRuss. If you could combine the 2 teams they’d probably be closer to a .500 squad!

Okay so take your best 11 on each side of the ball from both teams combined. What would this roster look like? Would they be the 3rd best team still in the division?

I’d just put Faders offense with Broncos defense. Might get them to second in the division. But I guess the part we need to consider is…. Who’s coaching the team? Nothing they do combining the teams will make them have a better coach than. Andy, a better quarterback than Mahomes, or a better TE than Kelce. So at the very best it might propel them into the second best team since there only 3 teams when we combine those to turds.

Correct.

There's a couple of pretty obvious paths forward for the Raiders. They'd sting in the short term, but they're manageable.

The Broncos, OTOH, are rat-****ed.

They can probably get some compensation in a trade as well.

Who will replace Carr next year? If the Raiders have a top 5 pick it has to be a QB if available.

Way to high for the Raiders.

This is probably better.

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David Carr still probably thinks this team is super bowl bound

LMAO

He's becoming more realistic. He now thinks that the MVP vote will be neck and neck between Patrick Mahomes and Derek Carr.

Offense:

14th ppg
1st in turnovers
1st in drive time
3rd in drive plays
9th in points per drive

Defense:
28th ppg
32nd in turnovers
32nd in drive time
31st in plays
31st in points per drive

When Mahomes had a defense like that he still finished 12-4 and was an offsides from taking that defense to the SB. Oh and he wasn’t shut out once.

They suck.

I know they suck.

And I keep betting on them.


;)

You’re my boy C4MVP, and I thought we were already supposed to have had drinks at this point. But this is the Alex Smith excuse. Carr just isn’t that guy. It’s time to move on. Draft a stud quarterback, finish 2nd in the division instead of 4th. A wild card is always better than no playoffs.

CBS chose this picture lol?

If you look closely, you can see the extra chromosome

The league owns a 107.0 passer rating vs the Raiders this season.

For context, Patrick Mahomes is the NFL’s all-time leader, at 105.8.

Man, I am trying to get down to Florida. This past two years have not been going to plan. Life has been a harsh mistress.

I actually think the team moves on. Just wish I could see a top 20 defense someday. I ask for so little.

7 losses is done, right?

Even if the Faid win out, I don't think you make the playoffs with 7 losses this year.

Dolphins, Jets, Bills, Chiefs, Ravens, Titans are all 6-3 or better. That's 6 teams right off the jump that I think manage 11-6 or better. I think a 7 loss team might get in with that last playoff spot, but you'd need a fair amount of tiebreakers. With 5 losses already to AFC teams, I think they're shot even if they win out.

And you bet your ass I'll be rooting for them in every game that isn't against the Chiefs at this point. Seeing their season circle the drain by week 10 only to STILL get a shitty draft pick would just be glorious.

Report: The reason the #Raiders won't fire Josh McDaniels is financial - "They don't have the money to fire him."

The team is "cash poor" and can't afford to fire McDaniels and then pay another coach, according to
@BillPlaschke


"He'll be the coach this year and next year."

They just paid for Gruden. Josh is not getting fired.

They've been cash poor for years.

I'm betting it impacts how they have to structure contracts since the escrow rules require large cash payments for future guarantees. It may well be why trading for an older elite WR in Adams was more appealing to them - they weren't going to have to make escrow payments on 4-5 years with of commitments.

The cap is a LOT easier to deal with if you can write large checks here and there.

This is the most Raider thing I have ever seen. In a way, it's worse than the Russell Wilson contract because coach salaries don't count against the salary cap and we're talking about a few million here. Yes, a few million would tremendously impact my life. But look how much money the Hunts have. Or Jerry Jones or Stan Kroenke or Whats-His-Face Walton, the Broncos new owner. They all have enough green that they could fire McDaniels if they thought it best. But not the Raiders. Bad enough they fire a coach that was actually doing something and that the players wanted so they could hire someone with a proven record of losing. No, they have to put themselves in a financial bind so they can't fix their own mistake.

Classic.

Here's where the report is coming from.

https://scontent.fdsm1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...6w&oe=637A6CA6

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Having 2 of my most hated teams implode at the same time does my old heart good

This is very good news. Not on par with Marcus Allen playing for the Chiefs type of news but it’s still very good news.

That’s exactly the reason they couldn’t/wouldn’t sign Mack. Didn’t have enough cash for the escrow.

Reminds me of the media saying Chip Kelly was gonna take over the NFL after like 3 or 4 games

This might have been posted earlier. If it is, feel free to skip this. Send me a PM and I’ll refund the money I charged you to read this.

Mike Sando of the Athletic posted an incredible statistic:

The Raiders are one of 5 teams to have led by 17 points in four or more games this year. The rest of the league is 49-3-1 in that situation. The Raiders are 1-3. A .250 winning percentage when the rest of the league has a .9245 winning percentage.

Tashan Reed analyzes the various reasons why the Raiders really suck this year, and ironically, not having enough cash to buy out a shitty coach is not in the list:

https://theathletic.com/3898492/2022...h-mcdaniels-2/

Dude looks like he smells like rotting lunch meat.

Lol

Remember when our division was supposed to be the best in the nfl? Possibly having a chance to send all 4 teams in the playoffs?

Lolololol.

And this was supposed to be KCs step back year for huge future gains.

Oops

That’s good news. At the beginning of the season I was happy the AFC west was settled on coaches and that it would be a strong division. Now since the other three teams have underperformed I’m worried about Sean Payton being a coach in this division. There might be three open coaching positions.

My question is how much did Haircut Bowl Davis have to pay Jon Gruden out of the 100 mill 10 year contract? Is that why they're in the pore house? What a dumpsterfire of an organization.

Of all the dumb things media/twatter types post, this is one of the stupidest.

The Raiders worth is set around $6,000,000,000, and have guaranteed revenue streams. Banks would line up around the world to loan the Raiders org money if they needed it.

ROFL

Net worth and liquid assets are two different things.

And don't you think it says something when you have to BORROW money to pay off a failed coach?

Just admit it. The Raiders are a bad organization from the top all the way to the bottom.