Why?

Yes, I want the best OL possible too with our QB. But only if the pick makes sense.

What's even more important is getting the best TEAM around Mahomes, and that means always taking the best available player. If the OL prospects in a draft class suck, then for ****'s sake don't take one. The LAST thing we need is some Mike McGlynn mother****er gumming up the works just because we took him in the 2nd round.

Also... and this is going to sound awful, but bear with me... I mean, other than potentially finding an eventual replacement for Schwartz or even a guy who's just better than Eric Fisher in all ways, I don't really care about drafting offensive line. We could REALLY use an actual honest-to-god backup OT instead of some short-armed doofus who's actually a G.

At every other position we already have pretty damn good depth.

MAYBE take a C and tell the other OC guys to go **** themselves.

But that's it. I really don't want to draft another G. I don't want to draft another OT prospect and try to switch him to G like we usually do. I don't want us to waste a draft pick on some interior OL dude who's only going to be depth.

I can see Veach investing in another WR, TE, OL and RB but I’m not sure if that comes in the draft or FA.

I looked up Spags complete history, bio, stats, etc etc. LETS JUST SAY THAT "IAM NOT IMPRESSED WHATSOEVER". Yes, he's a friend of Andy Reid but so is Bob Sutton. I rest my case your honor.

it's too bad the Chiefs don't have your guidance. Obviously the defense will tank from 31 to 32 and PMII will have to carry this team again next year. And it is so avoidable.

Thanks for the hot take.

Sutton was just a guy Andy had heard of when he got hired in 2013. I don't think they came into contact with each other at all for the most part before then.

They need to do something at the center and LG spot one way or another

They have Reiter at C. He only started a couple of games and looked just okay at best. I agree with drafting a new C. That's priority #1 if we're going to draft OL.

But honestly... priority #2 for me is REALLY ensuring that Mahomes is safe at the bookends. I've hated the idea going back to midway through Alex's time here that one of our short-armed bowling ball OGs is Mahomes' blindside protection should Fisher go down. Or maybe they move Schwartz over and put in somebody at RT. Either way, as good as Schwartz is, I'd rather get a line of development going at the OT position and secure those backup spots with real OTs.

The whole, "this guy has OL versatility" is crucially important and all, and occasionally it can uncover some gems, such as finding out that Fulton and even Devey are actually pretty damn good OCs. But I absolutely hate chancing it like that on the OT position. One ACL tear is all it takes for our deadly passing attack to get severely neutered all because Cameron freakin Erving looks like an elephant in clown makeup on roller skates when he's filling in at LT.

As for the LG position, I'm still gonna say no. We redshirted McKenzie all season. He was on the 53 man roster all year. 1 of 53 spots was taken up by his fat ass on the bench all year. All because we were afraid he would be scooped up by some team if we tried to send him to the practice squad. That's the same approach we took with LDT if you recall. If he weren't making progress and moving towards something respectable in team practices, one would imagine Reid and Veach would be more interested in freeing up that extra roster spot, especially with so many OL guys already on the team (didn't we wind up with like 10 OL by the end of the season or something like that?)

And to be honest, the same goes for Jimmy Murray. Dude had a looooot of inactive weeks that we carried him on. If he were just a guy that the team didn't think could make a difference next year, we would have either left him on the practice squad or hoped we could have brought him back next offseason to compete in training camp... or just flushed him down the toilet.

No, you don't pass on worthy OL prospects if they fall to you in the draft just because you have those two, but I don't think the Chiefs see LG as that big of a deal to fix. And to be quite honest, I'm not going to be surprised if they also let the draft go by without drafting a replacement for Morse, either.

All Defense. Pick a 6th round Guard if they must. No brainer

Moving forward with someone last year might cost us the super bowl next year. Nobody knows anything

Going the developmental route would be fine with me but you’re gonna have a big year riding on some late round rookies

That’s iffy

I love all the great highlights of Mahomes making shit happen but what does that say about our OL? They suck is what it says. He can't run around as much as he did and expect to keep winning
OL is soft and need some upgrades.

The smartest thing Veach could do for the next 15 years is build a solid OL over and over. It's what Belichick has done to let Brady make his short ass throws.

yeah but the team seems to like him. He'll stay.

Would you be satisfied with this year's level of LG play?

Because that would be the floor of the position on our team next year. As in, the WORST it could get. Where we just go back to Erving.

I'm saying unless the OG prospect is out of this world amazing and we can get him with one of the 2nd rounders or later, just pass on that position. We don't really need it.

Reiter was set to be the starting C for the Browns until he injured his leg or something else. He can be a quality starting center for the Chiefs.

I could see McKenzie taking the LG position. He's going to be a monster. They kept him on the roster for a reason. That could slide Irving to the backup G/C or move him to starting C over Reiter.

Irving sucks ass at center. Guard is his best position. Fisher and Schwartz are set at tackles. Wylie needs to be starting. Get him to LG. Start Reiter at Center or Devey. They both did really good. Morse can go. He’s really good. Hasn’t given up a sack since 2015 but he will cost money. LDT slides back in at RG. Set. WR you have Hill, Watkins and Robinson as for sure locks. Dieter will probably get a spot because he plays really good special teams. Pringle will be here. Dat and Conley are gone. Maybe draft a WR somewhere in the draft.

Irving is good depth. He played better at LG than most thought he would. I don't think he should be the starter.

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I'm completely fine with Reiter at Center. I don't want Morse back due to his concussion history. You can't count on him being here. I do think they need a quality backup at T though. I'm not sure if they have one on the team.

I agree. Right now, Fuller isn't going to command top dollar. I think he has very good potential and in a competent defense, he will perform better. This would be a fantastic time to extend him.

If anybody wants to give Morse more than a year, have at. He is a hit away from retirement. I think you welcome him back on a one year deal, Reiter wasn't signed to start. I wouldn't be shocked to see us draft a couple OL this year, including a center.

Then just draft the center and say goodbye to Morse. Intend for him to start. If he’s absolute AIDS, re-sign Devey to that stop gap contract.

Morse likely won’t go cheap one year, and if he did, he wouldn’t be happy about us saying, “you’re only around here just in case the new guy can’t get the job done.”

Khalil McKenzie has the perfect body to be a C. His huge ass and tree trunk legs will make it hard for big NT’s to bull rush him. He’s also got really good athleticism for a guy that big.

I think he will replace Morse next year.

I would think that O-line might be one of the spots they would look to FA for. Not a big contract signing, but maybe pay a little more out for a guy whose time on another team has run out, and who might not be high on the priority list of re-signs for said team?

I say this because with Mahomes playing at such a high level, it seems to me you'd want to plug & play those spots instead of trying to develop a project or two, especially when your defense needs future home-grown talent as badly as KC does.

McKenzie is not starting at center in 2019. :shake:

So you want to start a rookie that's never played center at center in 2019?

Idk if McKenzie will start at center, LG, or anywhere in 2019, but I wouldn’t write it off. Reid isn’t afraid to throw his linemen into different spots, we know this.

I know you guys hate it, and I know we don’t have money.

But i want to make a huge push for CJ Mosley and if not him KJ Wright.... I need a aggressive big fast MLB

He might start at guard. You don't just insert a guy that's never played offense before at the most important position on the line.

I don't hate it. I'd rather pay for a FA LB and devote the draft to the defensive backfield. If you look at the money, drafting CBs is the only way to go.

Pretty much, but I'd also look for safeties in free agency. It's a lot cheaper than corners.

I have a sneaking suspicion they'll end up with Earl Thomas.

I'm on the Devin Bush in round 1 bandwagon now too.

I don't really want Mosley, I think he's more product of the guys around him.

Wright maybe. Or flip like a 5th to Dallas for Sean Lee and cross your fingers.

I really wish the Seahawks would tire of Bobby Wagner and trade him to us for a 2nd.

Probably not but who knows? He’s got a year within the offense. I’m guessing he’s viewed as a guard because they extended Reiter, but I don’t want to rule out anything. Reid likes his linemen to play wherever.

Sean Lee will get cut, he’s a brokedick at this point

Reiter is getting peanuts though.

It would be nice for him to start at C and save some money, but we shall see.

I agree he's a brokedick. I wouldn't want to count on him being the guy in the middle, but that's the kind of move they'll need to make and hope.

You'd have to have a backup plan too but if you could get him cheaper and squeeze a year or two out of him, it would work.

I think Veach signed him and Erving both as insurance policies. He’s really good about that.

So he enters the offseason saying, well, if a stud guard or center falls into our lap, awesome. But if not, I’ve got these two guys still under contract who he knows can start at a serviceable level.

Sean Lee is Eric Berry at line backer when it comes to injuries

The veteran defensive player to watch is Weddle. If he is released and doesn’t retire, it’s for one reason. He wants to win and win in 2019.

Not sure what we do, but LB is a huge need. I would definitely pay for KJ Wright.

ILB’s don’t cost that much. Hitchens broke the bank and he will only make a double digit salary in 2020 before we can cut him.

That’s like half of the money Eric Berry, Justin Houston and Sammy Watkins are getting paid.

I need Mahomes to take a home town discount please

Forget it. It’d be cool, but he deserves his money and he will take it.

Maybe on his 2nd extension depending on other circumstances.

Exactly.

Eh I didn’t realize KJ Wright is turning 30. That kinda changes things.

I have no problem spending big on Kwon Alexander or Anthony Barr. That’s gonna average around $12.5 million.

That’s not bad at all. That’s a damn discount compared to Watkins $16 million, Berry’s $15 million and Houston’s $20 million averages.

Problem with paying a ILB $12.5M is Hitchens is already getting $9M. That’s a lot of money tied into that position that probably should be used in the secondary.

Yeah I’m not into paying 20 or 22 million for a pair of offball linebackers

They’re gonna have to make some young guys play and develop them somewhere

On who?

A guy like Nelson is going to get $12-13M per. Maybe we could get a safety on the cheap (although I'm not a fan of that either) but getting a CB anywhere but the draft looks to be impossible.

It would have to be trade or draft for a corner I think if you want a top notch one.

I’d look at bringing in a mid tier guy too like Breeland just to stock it up

Breeland's injury history is going to play into his salary. Even the mid-tier CBs are going to get big money this offseason.

And the safety position as well. Unless people are ok with giving another a safety another huge contract.

Sign him cheaper

They need a lot more bodies back there and they’ve gotta come from somewhere

I think we should prepare for a big earl Thomas contract

$12.5 million for Alexander/Barr or $14 million on an old, broken Earl Thomas (I think Landon Collins gets the tag), at least $13 million on Ronald Darby or a lesser corner in a below average market?

Yeah if I’m spending on 1 FA, I’m getting something for my money. I wouldn’t mind Thomas, but his age and injuries worry me for his price tag.

It looks like we are going to be getting rid of Houston and Ford in the next 2 years, as well as Berry when possible, so money will open up easily for a lower investment like an ILB to fit in fine.

Draft is gonna have to be used on DE, corner and Safety.

I'd rather sign a DE than I would another LB in the 43.

Mizzou fans correct me on this, but I’m pretty sure Morse had only played tackle and guard in college, right?

Not the same thing as having only ever played defensive line, but still...

I think Thomas is either going to the Cowboys or the 49ers.

Tag and trade Ford. If any player other than Mahomes can be traded for two #1 picks, take it. Build in the draft, no mega-contracts other than Mahomes. Keep the cap under control for mid-season deals.

Then sign Amos. He’s much younger anyways.

If the Chiefs want him, they'll overspend and get him. We know that much.

I would love Amos. I think he'd be a cheaper option that would be damn good.

We wont be able to match close to what the Cowboys are going to offer.

They did with Watkins last year. If they want him, they can make it work.

It's not ideal, but I don't know that the Cowboys are going to really want him that badly either.

Lets here about some defense from our new DC.

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Cowboys tried to trade for him last year before he was injured. Just need to move off getting Thomas because he is going to Dallas.

Gut feeling, they rolled over 11 Million from last year. So Dallas as it stand right now has 54 Million in cap space, that is before they cut anyone, restructure, and extend anyone.

I'd prefer that option.

Quit trying to stay on topic.

We've been hearing about the Cowboys trying to trade for him for what, like 2 years. I dunno about it.

Dallas just doesnt' really have anyone to cut though from what I can tell that will save them that much, plus they're gonna have to start signing some guys.

It's already been posted at least 5 times in this thread.

$46 million in cap space and they really only HAVE to sign one guy......Lawrence.

Yeah....they could work on a new deal for Amari Cooper or Byron Jones.

They didn't trade a first for Cooper to NOT sign him long term.

They've got a lot of big names coming up soon. Dak and Zeek, Jones, Cooper etc.

We shall see.

I didn't say they weren't. I said they DON'T HAVE TO right now. They could let him play out his current deal and then sign him.

There's no way you sign a big $$$ FA agent at the ILB position two years in a row.

You can draft one with one of the 2nd round picks though, maybe even the 1st round pick.

FA money should absolutely go to a top safety and possibly DL (think one-year deal to Sheldon Richardson, Suh or another player).

Probably wishful thinking but I would also like to trade a 2020 pick for a veteran CB who still has about two years left in him.


All in all, you sign a top safety, you draft a CB with the 1st round pick, another CB/safety later in the draft, you trade for a veteran CB and you can have a real good secondary starting next year.

Fair enough but he is not a Free Agent.

They also rolled over 11 Million to 2019 in cap space.

It's true they do, but they also have 119 Million in cap space next offseason.

I think Veach would be smart to try to sign players like a Eric Weddle who might be released by his team. Then, it won’t count against the comp formula while guys like Nelson get overpaid.

Could be a good chance to collect those comp picks.

These are things that he needs to think about as they prepare to build a roster around a very expensive set of stars in the future.

I’d pick Weddle over Thomas. Thomas is literally Berry 2.0. Same age and both coming off season ending injuries

They also have the following guys to re-sign in the next two offseasons:

Demarcus Lawrence
Ezekiel Elliot
Dak Prescott
Amari Cooper
Jaylon Smith
La'el Collins
Byron Jones
Xavier Sua-Filo
Randy Gregory
David Irving
Jeff Heath
Allen Hurns
Tayvon Austin
Sean Lee

Regardless of whether you think they'll re-sign these guys, that's still a TON of snaps to replace. Cowboys are about to be up against it.

This is not to say that Earl Thomas isn't absolutely doable for them, but it's not like they are free and clear with limitless cap space. They have a TON of decisions to make, starting with Dak.

With their Oline they should go after Foles and send Dak packing. Zeke with an above average QB would be really dangerous.

I doubt they resign Sean Lee with the performance that Vander Esch had this season. I figured they might cut Lee this off season as it would save them $7M on the cap.

Big difference; Thomas has already had several months of healing while Berry hasn't even had the surgery needed to start recovery.