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Kobe Bryant and daughter killed in helicopter crash (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328561)

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 14752561)

If you have trouble, it's notably more risky to go from one engine to zero than it is to go from two engines to one.

Plus, I figure pilot experience is probably a big differentiator.

You're right on the hours. It takes far more hours to get licensed for a twin engine than a single.

However, engine failure isn't necessarily easier than single. Especially takeoff and landing. That engine is contributing a hell of a lot of thrust and when that goes away, especially suddenly, it can cause a spin, which is a bitch to get out of with one engine. What the pilot has to do is feather the prop, which is to disengage the prop from the motor so it can spin, then you have to rudder the **** out of the thing to get it straight.

If you're close to the ground it can get hairy in a hurry. If you lose it in a single engine and there is no place to land you're ****ed in epic proportions. But managing the aircraft is far easier.

apparently this is from 2017, weird and a little spooky.

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 14753083)

Again. It's really a thing you do to get your lic.

And I don’t doubt that. But and the auto rotation clearly didn’t help today. Granted, we don’t know all of the circumstances from today’s accident... But still...

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14753076)

The main issues with private aircraft isn't the aircraft itself; it's the pilots. The vast majority of private pilots don't train for emergency situations often enough, if at all. Professional pilots train for all manner of emergencies regularly.

So when something goes wrong for a private pilot there's usually the "oh shit!" moment, which can last several minutes in the worst cases. Which is usually how those pilots crash. But even if they only freak out for ten seconds, that often can be the difference between surviving and not. Professional pilots train for emergencies, so when something goes awry, it takes just a few seconds to assess and evaluate the issue, and then decide on a course of action and run through our memory items. We call this process an OODA loop (google it). Most private pilots don't have this system instilled in their muscle memory, as it were.

There's also the issue of maintenance, and private pilots tend to have a lower expectation of what is proper maintenance than what a commercial operation would. But at this point we don't know exactly what the real issue was, so I can't comment on that in this case.

I also don't know anything about the pilot, but I would think that Kobe Bryant would have a highly experienced pilot for his helo. The results of the NTSB's investigation will be interesting.

Yeah, almost all plane accidents result from pilot error. Which is why I noted most pilots don't have near enough competency to do it, but neither do terrestrial vehicle operators.

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Originally Posted by Raiderhader (Post 14753077)

I guess there is some kind of logic behind it but, not enough for me to prefer a falling chopper to a parachute. It might give you some control but, how much does it really slow you down?

Give me the ‘chute every time.

Me too man. But let's be clear, if I'm in a helo, it's unlikely I can chute safely anyway.

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 14753084)

I'm asking this question out of sheer curiosity, as I have no idea how situations like this work.

Is it possible to do a toxicology test in a crash like this?

Assuming it is mandatory

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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers (Post 14753041)

Pretty cool
memories my friend
memories

Here's the RG: https://i.imgur.com/sSNZ3Rp.png

6600 total hours. 150 with new prop. 150 since last annual.

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 14753084)

I'm asking this question out of sheer curiosity, as I have no idea how situations like this work.

Is it possible to do a toxicology test in a crash like this?

Honestly, I'm not sure.

You have to understand that when I go to emergency procedures training every six months we get a handout listing the incidents that we're going to cover, which has details such as a toxicology report within, but they don't tell us how they gathered that info usually. It's just a line item basically.

The focus is on what actually happened and how the accident could've been prevented/mitigated using the training that we've received. Not on whether a pilot was intoxicated somehow, since we're obviously not supposed to be intoxicated while working.

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 14753100)

Reminds me of the Johnny Bravo episode that seemed to predict 9/11. So freaking strange.

I'm not a pilot but wanted to poll the CP audience

If a helicopter has engine issues, that's pretty much that and it is going to hit the ground right? There isn't really a way to coast to the ground in a helicopter right? If a small plane has engine issues they have somewhat of a shot if they can coast to a safe landing right?

I'll be interested in hearing more about the fire onboard or whatever mechanical issue caused the helicopter to go down.

RIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...1708Z/tracklog

Here’s a couple post of the flight data and comms.
If it”s accurate and you know what to listen for around that airspace it paints a picture of a single pilot flying a Sikorsky S76 under SVFR helo rules when IMC conditions likely existed.

Having flown around there for years with multiple types of aircraft, and using a “special” Naval Instrument rating (0-0 takeoff and landing mins beyond FAA published mins.The joke was always that anybody with a “special” card was smart enough not to use it) and having run or reviewed for endorsement multiple mishap boards, I have my initial opinions but the mishap board will determine the most likely cause.

He’s ‘scum runnin” around the airspace in bad weather and not flying IFR. He’s in a superb executive commercial helo.

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Originally Posted by Coyote (Post 14753132)

Again, in English, please.

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 14753152)

Again, in English, please.

Told ya you had to know what to listen for.

He crashed. Likely pilotage, bad judgement, bad weather, hills, crowded busy airspace.

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Originally Posted by D2112 (Post 14752948)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/msnbc...b6d6767fd6a2ff

She’s already denying she said it lol

Knickers. It was clearly a CK

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Originally Posted by eDave (Post 14753158)

New FAA rules, as of Jan. 1

https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft...n_BObbBRbHa7hA

Yeah our ground based radar FAA system and rules is way obsolete in busy urban airports near each other. The political issue is our private pilots, industry, aviation open history, and rural or dispersed airfields. 2 very different uses of airspace.