You understand if Chris Jones sits out 8 weeks he will literally tank any negotiating leverage he has with any team right?

Why would we give you a big guarantee Chris? You have shown all you care about is money, once we pay you are you going to try? Your history says your best years are contract years and then when a team didn't pay you, you sat out and pouted...

You are entering the decline years of your career after showing you don't love the game...

Jones would literally be lighting 10's of millions of dollars on fire by sitting out half the season.

He has to report by then to get a year of service accrued, so if he didn't he would still be a Chief next year.

I wonder if he slips up and says something sassy on Twitter (like yesterday, when he shared the "Suck it" gif responding to that old lady), if the Chiefs play hardball and suspend him for "Conduct Detrimental" to avoid paying him altogether.

I'm talking about if shit gets absolutely beyond out of hand, of course, where we know he's going to be gone.

O.City apparently had a rough couple weeks at the office and started huffing his own supply.

Nah.

I'm not looking at this from his standpoint or what he can or cant' make in the future.

I'm looking at it from the Chiefs perspective. I don't think we're as good of a football team without Chris Jones as we are with him.

It's weird that none of the big NFL insiders have really said shit about this. We haven't really heard "they're far apart" from my recollection.

Obviously. But it's gotten to the point you can't really blame Veach for throwing his hands up and walking away. It's become quite apparent Jones and his agent are operating in pretty bad faith now.

Their perspective is probably, uh he's about to be 30 we can't pay him that without losing a ton of other guys...he realistically has to play out this year to get to FA so lets just use that last year and walk away and replace him.

The Chiefs in no way shape or form think Chris Jones is going to sit out games.

Don’t see why you assume he is suddenly going to start acting logically - that ship has probably sailed.

Realistically given the fact he will hit FA after the season he has shot both himself and the Chiefs in the head.


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Then they should have got the best value and traded him when he's 29 coming off his best year of his career and moved on.

Well of course not, but I don't see it as a deal breaker, pertaining to the season. It's not like it's Mahomes.

Probably so.

And you can't really fault them for not knowing that, but ****, it's why always waiting to deadlines can kill you.

They likely wouldn't have gotten what you guys seem to think they could have gotten...

A player that's almost 30 wanting Donald money isn't gonna get you a 1...you may have gotten a 2 and a 4.

In hindsight yeah. But since Veach has already shown the inclination to walk away when a player and agent operate in bad faith (Brown Jr) I'm going to go ahead and assume he's been a bit blindsided by how Jones and his agent have decided to approach this.

The trade deadline is scheduled for after Week 8 of the regular season.

Sure. Mahomes is the obvious answer here.

But.....at some point you can't win in the league if you can't get to the QB. And with what we've got on the DL minus Chris, I'm not sure we can do that enough in the current AFC landscape.

If he reports on time and has the same year he had last year he'll still get paid by someone..which is why the odds he reports for real games is high.

This is an OBJ re-run, where he signs elsewhere for less than he wanted and we sign a lesser player for big money


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That doesn't really matter here. He can still be traded. He's under contract. If it was a tag unsigned that might be relevant.

I'm not sure when Chris pissed in your corn flakes, but DPOY' type guys are probably gonna be worth a fair amount. It's not like he's 33 or 34

I can make a pretty solid argument Taylor is a better play for our system than Brown is.

There are GM's that literally think you should never trade for the right to pay someone...I get all it takes is one but it is what it is.

Plus....**** I would like the Chiefs to just steamroll thru the season. I'm talking like scorched earth mother ****ers to the tune of 15-2 or something. We've had to sweat out the SB seasons and playoffs.

I wanted to see a walk thru. And I think with all hands on deck they could do it.

it's relevant if they want to offload him this season

No. It's not. They can trade him right now.

The almost assured way this plays out is...

Chris Jones shows up after the last preseason game, plays out the season and the Chiefs let him go to FA after the season.

up until the trade deadline yes

If he holds out until midseason like he's threatening to wouldn't surprise me if the owners included a provision that those lost wages are factored into the tag number. That would drop it significantly.

How much has his cunning plan cost him so far in fines?

Yeah good luck with picking up ‘a better play’ than Jones in FA


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That probably won't happen but you know what, you get younger and cheaper and hopefully that keeps the overall team better.

Actually you know how you know this is all bullshit?

If he can "afford" to sit out till week 8...he would lose 1.15 million per game that adds up to what over 9 million? And he'd also lose out on his 1.25 million incentive for getting 10 sacks..

So out of curiosity if he can just flush 10 million dollars why is he haggling with the Chiefs over a number that is probably similar to that?

Oh yea because it's a bullshit threat.

That's all well and good but we're what, 2 weeks from opening weekend? He's gonna have to show up sooner than later to be able to play the first couple weeks.

In your opinion


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If it's a replay of the Orlando Brown Jr. scenario, the Chiefs end up with a BETTER player for less than what they offered him.

That's how that scenario played out.

Probably more likely a troll than a threat.

Omenihu's suspension games money rolls over to 2024 cap.

I would assume a player who never reported and missed games those game checks would rollover.

Not sure about fines. CBA requires team to deduct fines from pay to play so maybe fines rollover to 2024 cap.

Probably...

I don't think some people have come to the realization, Chris Jones has 2 rings, he gives no shits about winning or the SB, he cares about money period.

I'm not sure what the fine situation is on regular season games, but if he sits out 8 games and drops his base salary for the year down to $14 million, he's going to lose the benefit of his massive cap number next year.

AND he's going to simply be out $10+ million for the games he's missed and probably $2-3 million more on fines.

With less leverage to boot.

How does ANY of this help him in a cash drive? He starts probably $20 million underwater by taking this approach.

I've gotta believe it's a bluff, still. This just doesn't make any sense.

I don't believe he'll miss games.

I mean surely not.

Great...I jump on and see that Chris Jones is trending on twitter. I assume we have signed him. Nope, he says he has the money to hold out until week 8. In the words of Charlie Brown...*sigh.

And after looking it up, if Jones misses games the Chiefs will receive salary cap relief for each of the games because he is not paid for them.

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive by any means, especially for a DT.. it's not like he needs to be out there right now getting reps with new receivers or learning defensive schemes or anything. He just needs to eventually be in game shape and knows their floor the past several seasons has been the AFCCG.

He might be putting money first and health second right now, but I really wouldn't view him going through the motions at camp and playing a series in a preseason game as "this guy wants to win another SB!!!!" ...so, I also don’t see sitting out of doing those minimal things as giving no shits.

Of course, his motivation for the upcoming season really makes no difference, because the end result of another ring or a huge contract will require the same effort either way.

I realise it's not remotely comparable but OBJ proved to me that bad advice and an over-estimation of value based on proximity to greatness (Reid and Mahomes) does silly things to some people.

It's seeming increasingly clear to me that Chris Jones has lost his ****ing mind.

17-3 last year and the 3 losses were from a combined 10 points. That not good enough for ya?

He damn sure has lost his shit but camp is over and he is still not there so this report could be for real. I had a feeling his contract demands would be too much last March.

The only thing I could think of would be injury probability between now and week 8 that he would be taking off the table.

While I'm sure its a very low chance, if he came back now and tore his ACL or whatever between now and week 8 at age 30+ I'm not sure he even gets that $25M contract that should be what he is signing for now.

I'm also thinking that players before draft get insurance to cover injury and such so I'd think Jones could get something that could cover him for cheaper than a $10M premium? But maybe not haha

Not quite that far but he is telling you he'd rather get paid than make sure the team stays competitive.

to take a 10 million dollar hit in fines to show up and put up a half seasons numbers

Chris is dumber than **** if this is the plan

I almost feel bad for the guy, his agents have totally ****ed this up. I don't see how he will ever make up that lost money.

Trade him to a sucker that will pay him his nutball contract. Get a 1 and move on. There are many teams in the NFC that have enough space. He won't care what team it is.

Jones is saying week 8.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/posts/ch...uite-some-time

does the game fine, 1.1 million per game go back to the chiefs?

Yes..if he misses all preseason they get a 1/18th credit and for each regular season game he misses you add a number so if he missed 8 games they would get a 9/18th credit toward their cap.

Ok who do we trade him too?

A whole heap of 1 score games though.

We know how those can flip year to year.

No, I'd like to see us just decimate some people.

Wow Chris is going full reerun, even after watching his pal Le'Veon Bell do it.

If he truly holds out until week 8, I'd think that's the nail in his coffin and you agree to let him play the rest of the season before trading him.

He's setting himself up badly by doing this. He's far more likely to get hurt or have a bad season numbers wise.

They aren't gonna trade him. No one is giving up picks and cap space a week before the season.

He can afford it.

Veach isn’t budging and Chris Jones just tweeting through it.

Welcome to the “this holdout makes no GD sense” train.

Some of us figured it out a few days ago.

And Andy LOVES it when players tweet

Since we might not have Jones, I’ve decided that he was never all that good anyway. Probably just benefitted from playing next to Derrick Nnadi.

I will, obviously, pretend I never said that if he comes back to the Chiefs.

I guess what concerns me is that if they make a deal and give him a bunch of cash then we have cap money to add another dl vet (Carlos Dunlap) but if he hold out we don't have that money. Am I wrong about that?

Not that it matters here or there, but that's different than his own motivation to win rings... I mean, I've quit jobs where I loved everyone I worked with and tried my best even when I knew I was leaving, and didn't want things to go to shit afterwards. But, still had reasons to leave.

Yeah, players don't have the same loyalty as fans, but that also doesn't mean they don't love playing in the stadium they play in and the fans and so forth... I just find the absolute "it's JUST business" to be a bit extreme.

It is for Jones this very minute, but doesn't mean he won't put on the pads in a couple weeks and love every minute of competing for another ring.

It's why people shouldn't get overly attached to players, the Chiefs can't field a SB team having Mahomes and one of the highest paid defenders in the entire league, it isn't doable.

He shows up he gets paid while he isnt playing and getting into shape.

Well I guess we can just jump on the Chris Jones ain't very ****ing smart train. Sure he can afford to miss the first 7 games or whatever since he is already wealthy but he will NEVER make up the difference in $ so its just sunk cost to be a stubborn asshole if he does it.

And if he does that well, **** that guy he is truly stupid.

We got the best out of Jones when he was motivated to win and get big money. Now he's got the rings so I seriously doubt he will go all out for any team that gives him more big money.

Sure they can.

The Chiefs PRESENTLY have Mahomes and one of the highest paid defenders in the league.

Jones has a $28 million cap hit and gets a $20 million base this season. He has the 7th largest cap hit in the league this season; 3rd highest by a defensive player. He has the 7th highest base salary in the league; 2nd highest by a defensive player.

Chris Jones is getting paid HANDSOMELY this year. And he's hitting the cap in a substantial way.

And if he'd get his ass in here and PLAY on that deal, we'd absolutely have a SB team.

I guess what I should say is it isn't doable to continue to pay Jones that way at his age when we have multiple other players coming up for contracts.

That's probably the most ridiculous part of this. Its not like he is on a rookie deal playing for $4-5MM this season. He is going to lose out on substantial money he will never recoup just to be a baby about it.

Between Hill and OBJ you think these guys would know better by now not to play chicken with Veach and Reid.

When he said him and Leveon Bell are best friends, I figured he would have learned how bad that ended for Leveon.

That’s what I don’t get about all of this. Dude…you’re getting paid a ton of money. Don’t show up for camp? Ok. Get your ass here for week 1 and then shoot for that contract next year. It’s not like you haven’t already had a big contract.

He apparently thinks he needs 2 big contracts not 1...

Right?

Dude is pissing me off at this point.

****er's getting PAID this year. Really really well.

Get your ass in here and play football. Nobody's ****ed you over at any point in this process. You're being quite a dickchugger right now, Chris.

(and no, I would not say that to his face. He is a MASSIVE human being and could swallow me whole without buttering my ears)

Veach has learned not to budge on risky contract opportunities. The Frank Clark contract really showed him how hard things can be and that was with a rookie contract Mahomes for most of it.

I know people love Chris, but it's smart to do what we did to Tyreek. Putting a ton of eggs in one basket after having the majority of them in the Mahomes basket isn't smart.

Chris is an amazing player but I'm taking the draft picks and money to buy 2 Omenihu level players over paying him insane money.

That’s exactly the issue.

Smart for Jones to make this push for his last big $$$ deal now, before he turns 30. The tag number for DT’s was only $18.9M this year, KC would love to have him play at that number next year.

It's not smart to not pay elite players. Eventually, it will catch up to you.

Plus, I don't really understand the thought of "trade him and get draft picks so we can have cheap players and they'll be good cause we draft so well".

Why not just keep said player and keep drafting well?

We tried.

He's not being reasonable.

There's only so much you can do.