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UChieffyBugger 04-19-2024 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 17486346)
It was sarcasm. Most of the hate CC gets is because of skin color

And what about most of the support and hype? Does her being white have nothing to do with that?

displacedinMN 04-19-2024 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 17486218)
nike gave her 20 million

hard to believe she was only going to make 70 something thousand as the first overall pick in the wnba draft

the WNBA does not have the cash flow to do more.
She deserves the 20 million. Truthfully, I hope her shoe starts as a womens shoe and then they make a mens version.

dlphg9 04-21-2024 10:13 PM

Lol look at this lie

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas-...ana-fever-iowa

Says she sold more jerseys in one day than the entire cowboys roster all year. Lmao, sure.

chiefzilla1501 04-22-2024 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17487030)
And what about most of the support and hype? Does her being white have nothing to do with that?

Kelsey plum
Diana taurasi
Breanna Stewart
Sabrina Ionescu

These are some of the best women's players who are white and haven't don't even remotely the same publicity.she is famous because of her style of play. The same way Steph was famous for his.

UChieffyBugger 04-22-2024 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17489022)
Kelsey plum
Diana taurasi
Breanna Stewart
Sabrina Ionescu

These are some of the best women's players who are white and haven't don't even remotely the same publicity.she is famous because of her style of play. The same way Steph was famous for his.

Two of them have big shoe deals like Clark. And they are the only three women in the sport to have them.

POND_OF_RED 04-22-2024 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17489031)
Two of them have big shoe deals like Clark. And they are the only three women in the sport to have them.

Are you not counting Adidas as a “big shoe deal” because Aliyah Boston and Candace Parker are both signed with Adidas.

BigCatDaddy 04-22-2024 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17489031)
Two of them have big shoe deals like Clark. And they are the only three women in the sport to have them.

Crazy how only white women players get the shoe contracts.

https://solesavy.com/a-history-of-wn...ture-sneakers/

Pasta Little Brioni 04-22-2024 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17488989)
Lol look at this lie

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/dallas-...ana-fever-iowa

Says she sold more jerseys in one day than the entire cowboys roster all year. Lmao, sure.

Why do they have to lie?

dlphg9 04-22-2024 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17489369)
Why do they have to lie?

It's just this one source, Dick Weiss, who seems to be a legit source. I think he might have been deceived.

She broke the record of draft day jersey sales in any sport. Fanatics said that, so you would think if she out sold the cowboys roster they'd tweet about it.

UChieffyBugger 04-22-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 17489304)
Crazy how only white women players get the shoe contracts.

https://solesavy.com/a-history-of-wn...ture-sneakers/

How black female players have one with Nike?

ChiefsFanatic 04-22-2024 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17489660)
It's just this one source, Dick Weiss, who seems to be a legit source. I think he might have been deceived.



She broke the record of draft day jersey sales in any sport. Fanatics said that, so you would think if she out sold the cowboys roster they'd tweet about it.

Why would a business openly insult one of their professional league clients like that?

staylor26 04-26-2024 12:21 PM

https://theathletic.com/5440119/2024...y-racial-bias/

https://i.imgur.com/6GPuSUv.jpeg


I'll give everybody one guess what the issue is!

Womble 05-03-2024 01:29 PM

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BWillie 05-03-2024 03:40 PM

Cooper DeJean in a little bit of hot water. DeJean, who was recruited to play D1 basketball as well, was asked if he could beat Caitlyn Clark 1v1. He said he thinks he would be she would get some buckets on him...and some people lost it. Saying he's an idiot and has no chance to beat Clark. Go take a look at his HS mix tape.

You asked him the question, he answered it.

ThrobProng 05-03-2024 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17508825)
Cooper DeJean in a little bit of hot water. DeJean, who was recruited to play D1 basketball as well, was asked if he could beat Caitlyn Clark 1v1. He said he thinks he would be she would get some buckets on him...and some people lost it. Saying he's an idiot and has no chance to beat Clark. Go take a look at his HS mix tape.

You asked him the question, he answered it.

He would dominate her. If he gave 100% effort, she wouldn't get a shot off.

DJ's left nut 05-03-2024 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17508825)
Cooper DeJean in a little bit of hot water. DeJean, who was recruited to play D1 basketball as well, was asked if he could beat Caitlyn Clark 1v1. He said he thinks he would be she would get some buckets on him...and some people lost it. Saying he's an idiot and has no chance to beat Clark. Go take a look at his HS mix tape.

You asked him the question, he answered it.

Oh wow -- the kid can PLAY.

Stop and pop 3s, step back 3s, dunking on dudes left and right, crossover into the lane for a mid-range pull up, finishes through contact, great passer, good first step; even saw a little hesi/euro-step in there a time or two.

Yeah - he'd friggen annihilate her.

DJ's left nut 05-03-2024 03:59 PM

I mean seriously - what are we bitching about here?

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Of course he'd wreck her. He's backing guys down here and hitting from literally anywhere on the court.

BigRichard 05-03-2024 04:11 PM

White men can jump???

Titty Meat 05-03-2024 04:14 PM

Gotta love all the "controversy" surrounding her. It's the only thing to get eyeballs on the WNBA because if it were about the play nobody would tune in

Kramerica 05-03-2024 04:39 PM

What is he supposed to say? He's a professional athlete, of course he's competitive. It's not like he said he'd beat Jordan. Maybe it's controversial if he said he'd beat her in a three point shooting contest but let's be real - he'd spend the whole game posterizing her.

chiefzilla1501 05-03-2024 04:54 PM

Is anybody actually talking about Cooper dejean other than woke outrage mongers and those who like to be outraged by outrage mongers? Why do we even pay attention to people like jemele hill who no longer even fits in with woke espn?

Womble 05-03-2024 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17508848)
Gotta love all the "controversy" surrounding her. It's the only thing to get eyeballs on the WNBA because if it were about the play nobody would tune in

If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

displacedinMN 05-03-2024 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17508840)
I mean seriously - what are we bitching about here?

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Of course he'd wreck her. He's backing guys down here and hitting from literally anywhere on the court.

He was a beast athlete in HS.
I have no idea why Ferentz didnt let him play QB.

displacedinMN 05-03-2024 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17508928)
If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

The girl from Stanford......stunning.

Bearcat 05-03-2024 08:04 PM

I have nothing against this kid at all, but might have to unfollow ESPN for a bit if "first preseason 3 pointer" is the level of coverage for a while...


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CoMoChief 05-03-2024 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17508928)
If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

Check out former Mizzou player Sophie Cunningham.

Big fan of her IG account.

But you're right. If the WNBA wants more viewership they're gonna have to seriously tap into the mens market. Until Clark, there's never been a guy out there who's asked his buddy "Hey you wanna go down to the bar, the PHX Mercury (or any womens matchup pro or college) are playing tonite".

But sex sells. Always has.

Men are turned off by lesbians. Thats just the rules of nature. A good portion of that league are miserable shitlib lesbians. WNBA needs to promote the hotties.

CoMoChief 05-03-2024 08:38 PM

Some of her game resembles of how a guy plays and you can tell its just waaay too much for any other woman in that league to handle. She shook a couple girls completely out of their shoes tonight like a 20yr old playing vs a toddler.

For instance...her shot form, delivery. She gets the ball off VERY quick, Steph like.

Her rotation is good and her form/follow through is good.

If youve ever watched any woman bball player, they have the "girl" shot form. Yall know what I mean, many times it looks they have to put some ooomph into it from deep behind 3 line and Clark doesn't have this problem at all.

chiefzilla1501 05-03-2024 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17509138)
Some of her game resembles of how a guy plays and you can tell its just waaay too much for any other woman in that league to handle. She shook a couple girls completely out of their shoes tonight like a 20yr old playing vs a toddler.

For instance...her shot form, delivery. She gets the ball off VERY quick, Steph like.

Her rotation is good and her form/follow through is good.

If youve ever watched any woman bball player, they have the "girl" shot form. Yall know what I mean, many times it looks they have to put some ooomph into it from deep behind 3 line and Clark doesn't have this problem at all.

Yeah it's something I commented on a while back. A few of the ncaaab guards play way smoother and shoot like men. Made it really cringe for me to watch.

New World Order 05-03-2024 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17509133)
Check out former Mizzou player Sophie Cunningham.

Big fan of her IG account.

But you're right. If the WNBA wants more viewership they're gonna have to seriously tap into the mens market. Until Clark, there's never been a guy out there who's asked his buddy "Hey you wanna go down to the bar, the PHX Mercury (or any womens matchup pro or college) are playing tonite".

But sex sells. Always has.

Men are turned off by lesbians. Thats just the rules of nature. A good portion of that league are miserable shitlib lesbians. WNBA needs to promote the hotties.

Guys will never watch women's sports (normally)

Girls are less interested in sports than guys.

It's just not a good mix.

BWillie 05-03-2024 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17508840)
I mean seriously - what are we bitching about here?

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Of course he'd wreck her. He's backing guys down here and hitting from literally anywhere on the court.

I don't know that I've ever seen a 6 ft guy dunk so effortless.

BigCatDaddy 05-11-2024 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17489031)
Two of them have big shoe deals like Clark. And they are the only three women in the sport to have them.

https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id...ture-shoe-nike

Aces star A'ja Wilson announces signature shoe with Nike.

chiefzilla1501 05-11-2024 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 17516676)
https://www.espn.com/wnba/story/_/id...ture-shoe-nike

Aces star A'ja Wilson announces signature shoe with Nike.

That's too funny. Caitlin Clark needs to get started already so people can stop forcing people's popularity. her and Reece havent even started and they're way more profitable that most of the best in the league. This chip on the shoulder shit is so cringe.

TwistedChief 05-11-2024 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17508825)
Cooper DeJean in a little bit of hot water. DeJean, who was recruited to play D1 basketball as well, was asked if he could beat Caitlyn Clark 1v1. He said he thinks he would be she would get some buckets on him...and some people lost it. Saying he's an idiot and has no chance to beat Clark. Go take a look at his HS mix tape.

You asked him the question, he answered it.

I love that this thread started with your saying this:

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16885611)
Almost any former male high school starter under 38 would mop the floor with her.

And now the best you can do is point out that one of the best athletes in college sports can beat her. Move those goalposts even further, tool.

UChieffyBugger 05-11-2024 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17508928)
If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

She doesn't look like that on the court. She's just tall and skinny with a pale face.

ThaVirus 05-12-2024 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17508825)
Cooper DeJean in a little bit of hot water. DeJean, who was recruited to play D1 basketball as well, was asked if he could beat Caitlyn Clark 1v1. He said he thinks he would be she would get some buckets on him...and some people lost it. Saying he's an idiot and has no chance to beat Clark. Go take a look at his HS mix tape.

You asked him the question, he answered it.

IMO, that’s a result of this absurd sexism witch-hunt but also simple racism.

Dude’s white as bread and looks like your typical Whitey McWhiteface who can barely dribble. If he was black and said this same thing, everyone would have taken him at his word and not given a shit.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17508840)
I mean seriously - what are we bitching about here?

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Of course he'd wreck her. He's backing guys down here and hitting from literally anywhere on the court.

Sometimes it’s hard to believe we’re all the same species.

I assume there’s a good chance he was 16, 17 in some of these highlights. When I graduated high school I was like 5’6” 130 lbs. Then there’s this ****er, prob like 6’, chiseled like a Greek god, dunking effortlessly from nearly a flat-footed position lol

displacedinMN 05-12-2024 12:02 PM

slightly political

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For much of the past two years, Caitlin Clark has been the centerpiece of the college basketball world.

Now Clark, like NBA Hall of Famer Larry Bird was 45 years ago, is involuntarily the focus of discussions about race and her transition to professional basketball. Though Clark hasn't said anything to fuel the Black-white narrative surrounding her meteoric rise, talks about a double standard are being had.

''I think it's a huge thing. I think a lot of people may say it's not about Black and white, but to me, it is,'' Las Vegas Aces star A'ja Wilson said when asked about the race element in Clark's popularity and before she recently signed two major endorsement deals. ''It really is because you can be top notch at what you are as a Black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see.

"They don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard I work. It doesn't matter what we all do as Black women, we're still going to be swept underneath the rug. That's why it boils my blood when people say it's not about race because it is.''

To be clear, Clark is a skilled hardcourt savant from Iowa. Bird was a skilled hardcourt savant from Indiana State. And like Bird, Clark has captivated audiences and brought unmatched attention to women's basketball with an ability to score from every corner of the court.

Neither Bird nor Clark were the first great white male or female pro basketball players. Jerry West is the actual NBA logo and before Clark, the long list of talented white WNBA players included Sue Bird and Breanna Stewart.

But sports can be elevated by a heated rivalry, particularly when race is involved.

Clark's rise has come with an on-court bravado that made her must-watch TV as she led the Hawkeyes to back-to-back NCAA championship game appearances. When Bird led the Sycamores to the title game in 1979, he squared off against Magic Johnson in one of the most-watched games in NCAA tourney history.

At Iowa, Clark's on-court rival in the NCAA Tournament was former LSU star Angel Reese. Then she took on women's juggernaut South Carolina and coach Dawn Staley. The matchups created the kind of made-for-social media moments that captivated audiences, regardless of gender.

The matchups also led to ongoing discussions about how race plays a factor in the treatment afforded to Clark, a white woman from ''America's Heartland,'' as compared to Black counterparts like Reese.

Clark has said she and Reese are just pieces of a larger movement.

''I would say me and Angel have always been great competitors,'' Clark said prior to Iowa's Elite Eight matchup with Reese and LSU in March. ''I think Angel would say the same, like it's not just us in women's basketball. That's not the only competitive thing about where our game is at, and that's what makes it so good. We need multiple people to be really good.''

Still, the race-based debate over perceived slights to Black players or favoritism toward Clark is not going away as the No. 1 pick in the WNBA draft prepares for her first regular-season game on Tuesday night when Indiana plays Connecticut.

"I think new fans, or maybe returning fans to women's college basketball, have been drawn in. In part because of Clark. But also, you know, because of the LSU-Iowa rivalry," said Victoria Jackson, a sports historian and clinical associate professor of history at Arizona State University.

''There are basketball reasons," Jackson said, "but also there are racial reasons for why Clark has been able to kind of break off into a completely different stratosphere from players that came before her.''

Because of the perceived double-standard, nearly everything involving Clark gets questioned:

— Clark's first preseason game was streamed, but Reese's was not.

— Clark gets an endorsement deal. Other established Black stars not so much.

— If Reese talks trash, it's viewed as unsportsmanlike. If Clark does it, she's being competitive.

— Reese received some backlash for going to the Met Gala before a game, raising questions would there have been same type of scrutiny if Clark had graced the red carpet.

Wilson, who signed with Gatorade last week and announced Saturday that she is getting a Nike signature shoe, and others have cited how companies are clamoring to be in business with Clark as an example of the disparity in how players are treated.

The deal Clark struck with Nike will reportedly pay her $28 million over eight years — making it the richest sponsorship contract for a women's basketball player, and it includes a signature shoe. Before Wilson's announcement Saturday, the only other active players in the WNBA with a signature shoe were Elena Delle Donne, Sabrina Ionescu and Stewart – who are all white.

The perception extends beyond endorsements.

While Clark's preseason debut was available on the WNBA League Pass streaming app, a post on the X platform from the WNBA incorrectly stated that all games, including the debut of Reese and fellow rookie former South Carolina standout Kamilla Cardoso for the Chicago Sky, would also be available.

So, a fan in attendance at the Sky's game livestreamed it. It received more than 620,000 views.

In an apology post explaining why the Sky's game wasn't also available, the WNBA said Clark's game was available as part of a limited free preview of its streaming app.

There also have been racial components to how Clark is treated on social media as compared to others, most notably Reese.

Reese, who has previously spoken about the vitriol she received online, was recently attacked again after she missed a preseason practice to attend the Met Gala. Clark also has been the target of online criticism, but apparently not to the extent that Reese has been.

Online hate-speech accounts for approximately 1 percent of all social media posts in the context of sports, according to Daniel Kilvington, course director in Media & Cultural Studies at Leeds Beckett University in Leeds, England.

''Although this might sound quite low, consider how much traffic is online and how many posts are made every single day,'' said Kilvington, whose work with the Tackling Online Hate in Football research group has looked at the issue through the sport of soccer. ''One percent is therefore 1% too high as athletes are primary targets of hate-speech, harassment and death threats simply for playing a game they love.''

But as Clark's popularity grows, so will the debate. Jackson believes it's a good time to openly have discussions about it.

''I don't know how many times I read and heard her described as generational talent," the ASU professor said. ''And whenever we're making those cases, I immediately think, well, who are the other generational talents we've had? And, I think too often the athletes could be placed in that category who have been Black women have not had that sort of gushing attention. And especially the kind of general public, crossover saturation that Caitlin Clark has had.

''There are overlapping, intersecting reasons for why that is. But, I think we can't not think about it if the goal here is to have equitable treatment of the athletes in the sport.''

IowaHawkeyeChief 05-12-2024 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17517115)
slightly political

drivel... show me a black, or an women, that can shoot 3's at 40% from the logo... while also dishing the ball like Clark does. If she was the 5th all-time leading scorer and her play was just chucking it up way to many times to score points they may have a point, but it's not. They should be smart enough to see the elevation of the game and future growth of the league that Clark and her talent will bring to all races playing in the WNBA... Instead they bitch.

chiefzilla1501 05-13-2024 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 17517473)
drivel... show me a black, or an women, that can shoot 3's at 40% from the logo... while also dishing the ball like Clark does. If she was the 5th all-time leading scorer and her play was just chucking it up way to many times to score points they may have a point, but it's not. They should be smart enough to see the elevation of the game and future growth of the league that Clark and her talent will bring to all races playing in the WNBA... Instead they bitch.

Yup. Tim Duncan was a hell of a player. But he will never be remotely as popular as steph. Not hard to figure out. Now imagine Tim Duncan with a Shawn Marion looking jumpshot.

Red Dawg 05-13-2024 05:15 AM

She's white so she's gotta be hated. America hates white people now. Anyone bashing her for what she gets or as a player is just doing so from a racist jealousy.

Red Dawg 05-13-2024 05:16 AM

Reese is a boss babe loud mouth bitch. It's a turn off to brands. It's a turn off to coaches.

BWillie 05-13-2024 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17516733)
I love that this thread started with your saying this:



And now the best you can do is point out that one of the best athletes in college sports can beat her. Move those goalposts even further, tool.

Very odd that thats what you got out of that. I think Clark will do great in the WNBA but I maintain my assertion especially in a 1 on 1 environment when you can't hide defensively. Men and women are different. Still doesn't mean she isn't the best college womens player ever.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17517115)
slightly political

Yeesh. I'd expect that narrative to be driven by the media, not by the other top players. I guess it's their prerogative to be jealous of the opportunities Clark is getting, and you'd have to be willfully obtuse to not acknowledge her race is a factor in why she's so popular, but these constant petty swipes seem pretty dumb and shortsighted.

ThrobProng 05-13-2024 11:25 AM

But do she keep it hairy?

staylor26 05-13-2024 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517857)
Yeesh. I'd expect that narrative to be driven by the media, not by the other top players. I guess it's their prerogative to be jealous of the opportunities Clark is getting, and you'd have to be willfully obtuse to not acknowledge her race is a factor in why she's so popular, but these constant petty swipes seem pretty dumb and shortsighted.

I don't agree with this at all. Was race a factor in why MJ and Lebron were so popular? No, they were just that good, same as Clark.

ThrobProng 05-13-2024 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17517863)
I don't agree with this at all. Was race a factor in why MJ and Lebron were so popular? No, they were just that good, same as Clark.

The difference is a black person being great at basketball is not unusual at all. When a white person is, it draws lots of attention. Even though Clark is the best female player ever, it's the fact that she's white that puts her over the top as far as popularity. Nobody gave a shit when Lisa Leslie was the best player.

staylor26 05-13-2024 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17517875)
The difference is a black person being great at basketball is not unusual at all. When a white person is, it draws lots of attention. Even though Clark is the best female player ever, it's the fact that she's white that puts her over the top as far as popularity. Nobody gave a shit when Lisa Leslie was the best player.

I think it has a lot more to do with her skill set and just being must see TV. Sometimes, somebody comes along and is an absolute star, and sometimes they're the first real star of their industry too :shrug:

Also, why don't Jokic and Luka have this level of fame by that logic? They're white and two of the top 3 players in the NBA, while one is a 3x MVP coming off a championship, yet they aren't getting that level of popularity.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 11:50 AM

LMAO Jokic is not who I'd point to to emphasize that race isn't a factor. Unfortunately for him he's getting more of the negative effects

staylor26 05-13-2024 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517888)
LMAO Jokic is not who I'd point to to emphasize that race isn't a factor. Unfortunately for him he's getting more of the negative effects

:rolleyes:

Ok, now do Luka.

It's pretty simple, Clark is the first female basketball player that is genuinely exciting to watch and must see TV.

Also, the reason Jokic isn't the star that his play on the court warrants is because he's not as exciting to watch for the casual fan. His play style is only enjoyable if you truly appreciate the game of basketball. He's not must see TV.

ThrobProng 05-13-2024 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17517877)
I think it has a lot more to do with her skill set and just being must see TV. Sometimes, somebody comes along and is an absolute star, and sometimes they're the first real star of their industry too :shrug:

Also, why don't Jokic and Luka have this level of fame by that logic? They're white and two of the top 3 players in the NBA, while one is a 3x MVP coming off a championship, yet they aren't getting that level of popularity.

I think in the case of Jokic and Luka, their skill sets are mostly boring to watch, considering the glut of athletic freaks in the NBA.

You are correct about her skill set being a factor. It will be interesting to see how long it is before the novelty of one three pointer after another wears off.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 11:55 AM

They're not mutually exclusive concepts.

staylor26 05-13-2024 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517897)
They're not mutually exclusive concepts.

Ironic that you're the one that's 100% being obtuse.

Your claim is baseless.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17517902)
Ironic that you're the one that's 100% being obtuse.

Your claim is baseless.

LMAO Come on now. Hell, in this case it's not even contained to the media running narratives, it's even being perpetuated by the other players.

BWillie 05-13-2024 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517888)
LMAO Jokic is not who I'd point to to emphasize that race isn't a factor. Unfortunately for him he's getting more of the negative effects

I don't understand the whole black vs white thing as marketability. Maybe its different on the womens side and I guess I can recognize that without understanding it but its the opposite on the mens side. Tons of great white Duke bball players who havent been easy to market. Last one anyone gravitated towards was Christian Laetnner and he was even super polarizing. Maybe Jimmer Fredette is the only one I can think of but the general public simply hates white college basketball players.

The biggest marketable stars on the mens side have been black. Difficult to hype up Zach Edey, Kyle Flilipowski, JJ Reddick, Aaron Craft, Tyler Hansbrough etc.

Think Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Zion Williamson, Blake Griffin, Trae Young, Greg Oden. Easy to hype up and market.

staylor26 05-13-2024 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517913)
LMAO Come on now. Hell, in this case it's not even contained to the media running narratives, it's even being perpetuated by the other players.

Umm yea, because they're a bunch of jealous bitches. What point do you think you are making here exactly?

staylor26 05-13-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17517922)
I don't understand the whole black vs white thing as marketability. Maybe its different on the womens side and I guess I can recognize that without understanding it but its the opposite on the mens side. Tons of great white Duke bball players who havent been easy to market. Last one anyone gravitated towards was Christian Laetnner and he was even super polarizing. Maybe Jimmer Fredette is the only one I can think of but the general public simply hates white college basketball players.

The biggest marketable stars on the mens side have been black. Difficult to hype up Zach Edey, Kyle Flilipowski, JJ Reddick, Aaron Craft, Tyler Hansbrough etc.

Think Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Zion Williamson, Blake Griffin, Trae Young, Greg Oden. Easy to hype up and market.

I hate to agree with BWillie on anything, but you're 100% right.

If there were any truth to this, it would be reflected in men's basketball as well, but it's not.

TwistedChief 05-13-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17517932)
I hate to agree with BWillie on anything, but you're 100% right.

If there were any truth to this, it would be reflected in men's basketball as well, but it's not.

I think there’s a definite difference between an ‘all-american’ white girl playing at her level in women’s basketball versus some European players dominating in the NBA. It’s a little naive to think that some of Clark’s popularity isn’t because of who she is and that’s fine. It’s not just being white of course - it’s being white, midwestern, having the type of game she does. She’s very relatable to a lot of these young girls who probably never even really considered playing or watching basketball. It’s just all come together for her to be at the pinnacle of fame in my opinion, which doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be crazy popular regardless of her race.

I don’t think the men’s sport is comparable. If Cooper Flagg stays in school for 4 years, sets all sorts of records at Duke, and then proceeds to get drafted 1st overall, maybe we can talk some type of comp. But he still wouldn’t be at Clark’s level just simply because there’s a newness to people’s watching women’s basketball whereas there’s no way Flagg’s success would drum up any sort of increased viewership on the same level.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 01:03 PM

Reese deserves a ton of credit as well. Knocked her out of the tournament last year and was a damn near perfect rival/foil. Running into an undefeated juggernaut in the Championship round immediately afterwards helped too.

staylor26 05-13-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17517965)
I think there’s a definite difference between an ‘all-american’ white girl playing at her level in women’s basketball versus some European players dominating in the NBA. It’s a little naive to think that some of Clark’s popularity isn’t because of who she is and that’s fine. It’s not just being white of course - it’s being white, midwestern, having the type of game she does. She’s very relatable to a lot of these young girls who probably never even really considered playing or watching basketball. It’s just all come together for her to be at the pinnacle of fame in my opinion, which doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be crazy popular regardless of her race.

I don’t think the men’s sport is comparable. If Cooper Flagg stays in school for 4 years, sets all sorts of records at Duke, and then proceeds to get drafted 1st overall, maybe we can talk some type of comp. But he still wouldn’t be at Clark’s level just simply because there’s a newness to people’s watching women’s basketball whereas there’s no way Flagg’s success would drum up any sort of increased viewership on the same level.

Mr. White Guilt himself thinks race is a factor? I'm shocked!

It's really pointless to have this discussion with people that don't know ball and don't understand the uniqueness of Clark's game and skill set.

If she were the female Steph Curry looks/race wise (to go along with her play style), she'd be just as popular.

It's 100% a baseless claim.

chiefzilla1501 05-13-2024 01:15 PM

Yeah I think Reese and Clark show two sides of the story.

I think it’d be crazy not to think clark unlocked a lot of that soccer mom / daughter audience that exploded with the USWNT a while ago. Mostly because she’s exciting and plays in a way we’re not used to seeing. But if we’re being real she’s probably a little more like that USWNT brand.

Angel Reese is doing this with a totally different audience and she’s crushing marketing on her own. She has a lot of endorsements and I don’t hear people griping about that.

Sponsors aren’t going to market someone who isn’t marketable. The interest here is bottom up where the market decides who is marketable vs traditional top down where the wnba true fans insist on who the public should like

TwistedChief 05-13-2024 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17517976)
Mr. White Guilt himself thinks race is a factor? I'm shocked!

It's really pointless to have this discussion with people that don't know ball and don't understand the uniqueness of Clark's game and skill set.

If she were the female Steph Curry looks/race wise (to go along with her play style), she'd be just as popular.

It's 100% a baseless claim.

I’m half hispanic but tell more!

You’re naive to think every little girl in the midwest who’s started following college basketball would be doing the same thing if she were black. That doesn’t speak to racism. There were tons of Asians who got more into basketball because of Jeremy Lin. If there were some 5’10 Jewish superstar basketball player, you think that wouldn’t attract more Jewish fans?

I don’t even know how this is controversial. There’s a uniqueness to her game - no one disputes that - but she’s also white and looks and acts like them.

T-post Tom 05-13-2024 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17508928)
If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

https://www.troublefreepool.com/medi...if.186565/full

Shields68 05-13-2024 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17517967)
Reese deserves a ton of credit as well. Knocked her out of the tournament last year and was a damn near perfect rival/foil. Running into an undefeated juggernaut in the Championship round immediately afterwards helped too.

Clark was putting people in the seats and tuning into TV's before the Reese thing ever went down. The media jusst like to try and make the Reese thing about race. Like a two second gesture before a timeout was the same as following someone around for minutes after the game is over.

Bottom line is a lot of people like watching Clark play. She brought an excitement and brand of basketball to the Womans' game that was not seen before.

Reese was smart enough to capitolize on the woke corporations despite her game being as boring as watching local YMCA game.

ThrobProng 05-13-2024 01:56 PM

Magic vs. Bird was partially about race, and they are both commonly considered top 10 all-time players. When they entered the NBA you heard next to nothing about their race in the media or from the players themselves, but everyone knew it was a thing. The white star vs. the black star. The mostly white Celtics vs. the mostly black Lakers.

The WNBA should be so lucky to have at least the perception of underlying racial tension. That's good for drama, and in turn good for ratings.

staylor26 05-13-2024 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17517986)
I’m half hispanic but tell more!

You’re naive to think every little girl in the midwest who’s started following college basketball would be doing the same thing if she were black. That doesn’t speak to racism. There were tons of Asians who got more into basketball because of Jeremy Lin. If there were some 5’10 Jewish superstar basketball player, you think that wouldn’t attract more Jewish fans?

I don’t even know how this is controversial. There’s a uniqueness to her game - no one disputes that - but she’s also white and looks and acts like them.

Maybe I'm just not so cynical to believe that many children need to see somebody that looks like them to be a fan. I'm a Cuban/white that grew up watching MJ, my childhood idol. Me and just about every white or non-black kid i grew up with wanted to "be like Mike". All I needed to feel like Mike was a jersey and some shoes. I didn't tell my parents that I needed blackface to be MJ.

Pure projection.

Also, being half Hispanic doesn't change anything, cuck.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 17518005)
Clark was putting people in the seats and tuning into TV's before the Reese thing ever went down. The media jusst like to try and make the Reese thing about race. Like a two second gesture before a timeout was the same as following someone around for minutes after the game is over.

Bottom line is a lot of people like watching Clark play. She brought an excitement and brand of basketball to the Womans' game that was not seen before.

Reese was smart enough to capitolize on the woke corporations despite her game being as boring as watching local YMCA game.

Iowa LSU rematch drew almost two and a half million more than the 2023 Championship game did.

TwistedChief 05-13-2024 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17518020)
Maybe I'm just not so cynical to believe that many children need to see somebody that looks like them to be a fan. I'm a Cuban/white that grew up watching MJ, my childhood idol. Me and just about every white or non-black kid i grew up with wanted to "be like Mike". All I needed to feel like Mike was a jersey and some shoes. I didn't tell my parents that I needed blackface to be MJ.

Pure projection.

Also, being half Hispanic doesn't change anything, cuck.

You're not cynical; you're naive. But keep on living in your little world, sweetheart.

staylor26 05-13-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17518046)
You're not cynical; you're naive. But keep on living in your little world, sweetheart.

You're right, I'm so naive not to believe that most kids are so obsessed with race that they literally need somebody that looks like them to become fans of a player/sport.

So was/is the popularity of all of these other GOAT level athletes capped because they're not white or 100% white?

Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Patrick Mahomes
Steph Curry
Floyd Mayweather

Gary Cooper 05-13-2024 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Womble (Post 17508928)
If they want eyeballs on their league then they need to promote the shit out of this lady. How can someone this hilariously tall be so ****ing hot!?

https://i.postimg.cc/25pzBnXm/Screen...504-005015.png

Tall girls usually have flat asses.

Kiimo 05-13-2024 03:46 PM

Lots of white girls play college basketball and WNBA.






None of them play it as well as Clark. This is a silly thing for clicks.

displacedinMN 05-13-2024 03:52 PM

Lisa Bluder retires. Wow.

T-post Tom 05-13-2024 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17518125)
Tall girls usually have flat asses.

Not always :):


https://i.redd.it/0wdft8tvnn2a1.jpg

chiefzilla1501 05-13-2024 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 17518005)
Clark was putting people in the seats and tuning into TV's before the Reese thing ever went down. The media jusst like to try and make the Reese thing about race. Like a two second gesture before a timeout was the same as following someone around for minutes after the game is over.

Bottom line is a lot of people like watching Clark play. She brought an excitement and brand of basketball to the Womans' game that was not seen before.

Reese was smart enough to capitolize on the woke corporations despite her game being as boring as watching local YMCA game.

I’m not at all a fan of Reese. But that’s ridiculous. There are thousands of great women’s bball athletes but clark broke through. At the same time there are thousands of great womens bball players, some certified hotties, who never broke through like Reese did since the woke are apparently forking out these deals left and right. You don’t think the wnba has been unsuccessfully trying this for decades?

It’s not an either or thing. They’re both breaking through where others haven’t. For very different reasons.

TwistedChief 05-13-2024 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17518051)
You're right, I'm so naive not to believe that most kids are so obsessed with race that they literally need somebody that looks like them to become fans of a player/sport.

So was/is the popularity of all of these other GOAT level athletes capped because they're not white or 100% white?

Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Patrick Mahomes
Steph Curry
Floyd Mayweather

First, Mayweather? The popularity of him was capped because he was a douche. Because he seemed so far removed from the way anyone who carry themselves. There’s not an ounce of endearing to him.

Second, you are dramatically missing the point in a way that speaks volumes about how you always approach these types of conversations. It has nothing to do with racism - I have no idea why you keep going back to that. It has to do with relatability and perceived shared experiences. There are plenty of studies that interviewers tend to accept interviewees who mirror themselves. That’s not a racial thing. I’m a ferocious hard worker, and I value people who work hard more than those who are just so insanely brilliant. It just is what it is.

Maybe we’re talking past each other. I’m not claiming an ounce of racism in her success. These little girls getting into the sport aren’t racists because if she were black they might not have gotten into it in just the same way. It’s just that I’m sure many of them and their parents see something that’s more relatable to them and that increases her popularity. It’s just human nature. She’s attractive, charismatic, not tall and gangly, etc. It’s the perfect storm to achieve maximum popularity.

She would be crazy successful if she were black or Asian or whatever. But she turns more heads because she’s a midwestern girl who loves the Chiefs and is the most prolific scorer in history. That’s all.

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17518222)
First, Mayweather? The popularity of him was capped because he was a douche. Because he seemed so far removed from the way anyone who carry themselves. There’s not an ounce of endearing to him.

Second, you are dramatically missing the point in a way that speaks volumes about how you always approach these types of conversations. It has nothing to do with racism - I have no idea why you keep going back to that. It has to do with relatability and perceived shared experiences. There are plenty of studies that interviewers tend to accept interviewees who mirror themselves. That’s not a racial thing. I’m a ferocious hard worker, and I value people who work hard more than those who are just so insanely brilliant. It just is what it is.

Maybe we’re talking past each other. I’m not claiming an ounce of racism in her success. These little girls getting into the sport aren’t racists because if she were black they might not have gotten into it in just the same way. It’s just that I’m sure many of them and their parents see something that’s more relatable to them and that increases her popularity. It’s just human nature. She’s attractive, charismatic, not tall and gangly, etc. It’s the perfect storm to achieve maximum popularity.

She would be crazy successful if she were black or Asian or whatever. But she turns more heads because she’s a midwestern girl who loves the Chiefs and is the most prolific scorer in history. That’s all.

I don't understand why saying it's a factor is treated like some attack on her. I don't think anybody is denying she's insanely talented, but as you said it takes an almost perfect storm to create an actual phenom like Caitlin Clark, and for better and worse her race is a factor in it.

staylor26 05-13-2024 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17518222)
First, Mayweather? The popularity of him was capped because he was a douche. Because he seemed so far removed from the way anyone who carry themselves. There’s not an ounce of endearing to him.

Second, you are dramatically missing the point in a way that speaks volumes about how you always approach these types of conversations. It has nothing to do with racism - I have no idea why you keep going back to that. It has to do with relatability and perceived shared experiences. There are plenty of studies that interviewers tend to accept interviewees who mirror themselves. That’s not a racial thing. I’m a ferocious hard worker, and I value people who work hard more than those who are just so insanely brilliant. It just is what it is.

Maybe we’re talking past each other. I’m not claiming an ounce of racism in her success. These little girls getting into the sport aren’t racists because if she were black they might not have gotten into it in just the same way. It’s just that I’m sure many of them and their parents see something that’s more relatable to them and that increases her popularity. It’s just human nature. She’s attractive, charismatic, not tall and gangly, etc. It’s the perfect storm to achieve maximum popularity.

She would be crazy successful if she were black or Asian or whatever. But she turns more heads because she’s a midwestern girl who loves the Chiefs and is the most prolific scorer in history. That’s all.

It's a very simple question. You can ignore Mayweather if you want, because he was more infamous than anything, but the PPVs don't lie. We can even stick to professional basketball.

Was Michael Jordan's or Lebron James' popularity capped because they aren't white? Would they have been even more popular if they were white?

staylor26 05-13-2024 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17518227)
I don't understand why saying it's a factor is treated like some attack on her. I don't think anybody is denying she's insanely talented, but as you said it takes an almost perfect storm to create an actual phenom like Caitlin Clark, and for better and worse her race is a factor in it.

I'm not saying it's attack on her, from you guys at least. I'm simply saying that it's baseless.

I don't believe for a second that MJ or Lebron could be any more popular than they are, even if they were white.

Clark is women's basketball first MJ/Lebron. I don't believe for a second that she'd be less popular if she were black. Why would I believe that after seeing how popular those 2 black male basketball players are/were?

Sassy Squatch 05-13-2024 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17518232)
I'm not saying it's attack on her, from you guys at least. I'm simply saying that it's baseless.

I don't believe for a second that MJ or Lebron could be any more popular than they are, even if they were white.

Clark is women's basketball first MJ/Lebron. I don't believe for a second that she'd be less popular if she were black. Why would I believe that after seeing how popular those 2 black male basketball players are/were?

Agree to disagree, I guess.

Shields68 05-13-2024 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17518028)
Iowa LSU rematch drew almost two and a half million more than the 2023 Championship game did.

still more watched the Iowa Uconn game, which was again surpassed by the Iowa SC game. All were more by a wide margain then the other final four game of SC NC st.

BigBeauford 05-13-2024 05:53 PM

Doesn't Kelcey Plum, who is white, had the college scoring record right before Caitlin Clark did, is way hotter than Clark is, played the same position as Clark did, and has won back to back WNBA titles pretty much destroy the argument about race? People are tuning in because they want to see something great and entertaining. That's Caitlin Clark.

chiefzilla1501 05-13-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 17518299)
Doesn't Kelcey Plum, who is white, had the college scoring record right before Caitlin Clark did, is way hotter than Clark is, played the same position as Clark did, and has won back to back WNBA titles pretty much destroy the argument about race? People are tuning in because they want to see something great and entertaining. That's Caitlin Clark.

Yeah. Also ionescu. Obviously clark has struck a chord for the same reason Steph did.


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