The Vikings foolishly played man to man there..

We'll see. The fact that he signed a 10-year contract when he truly had no reason to do so leads me to believe that's not in his character, but it will probably hinge on his performance, the QB market, and our team's success over the next few years.

LOL Alright, man, I was just messing with you. You can let that go.

What they're saying isn't wrong, though. Alex had years of decent-to-pretty good QB play while Tua is still largely unproven.

Tua is not better than Smith. Tua sucks balls and Hills numbers will drop.

A lot of us are like hahaha Tua sucks (which he kind of does)

After next season I wonder how people will feel if Tom Brady goes to Miami

He won't go to Miami. He has a cushy division and conference. Miami means going through the AFC. He would lose and he knows it.

Reek is Reek. He’s gonna make plays wherever he goes. But some are acting like him leaving is a death sentence for the Chiefs offense. Sure, they may not be as ‘dynamic’ as they once were, but people do realize that Pat is 4-1 in his career in games Reek didn’t play, right?

The only loss being that crapfest against Indy in 2019 on a Sunday night where the whole WR core was injured, half that O-Line was out and his dumbass tackle (Erving, I believe) stepped on his ankle during the game injuring him.

Like, that was the ONLY non-Reek. 4 wins in 4 games for the other for with the Chiefs offense averaging 30 points a game and Pat averaging 300 yards passing a game. 3 on the road, one against Baltimore at home during their best season (Lamar’s MVP year).

The offense WILL be fine without Reek because Pat IS that guy.

Besides maybe one playmaking WR in the draft, the Chiefs need to spend these newfound riches (money and draft capital) on DEFENSE, DEFENSE and more DEFENSE.

Offense will be fine. Andy Reid is the coach. Pat Mahomes is the QB. People need to quit freaking out.

Miami means he stays in Florida and gets to play vs Bill and the Patriots twice a year

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Dolphins bought a car that goes 200 mph…the speed limit is 70 mph.

Waste of resources.


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Looking at the structure of his contract, seems like it's mostly $100M for the next 4 years. The 5th year has an insane cap hit of $50M and a dead cap hit of $5M. So either they figure out a new deal for him by that point to significantly lower the $50M cap hit, or they dump him after 4 years.

Andy Reid clears it up for all of us

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...m?platform=amp

“I love Tyreek Hill," Reid said Monday at the NFL meetings in Palm Beach, Florida. The Chiefs last week traded Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks. "There's no rift between Tyreek Hill and myself. I thought he deserved an opportunity if that's where he wanted to go. He's a family man that has a few kids and he's got to be able to support them now and down the road, and this gives him an opportunity to do that. At the same time, it gives us great compensation.

"We came in aggressive [with a contract offer], and after we got to a point, we just said, 'Listen, in this day and age you have issues you have to deal with with the cap.' So we felt like it was better to allow him to go ahead and be traded. ... You can go different routes with a player. You can play hardball or you can go about it the way I did, or we did."

“You've got to be able to manage that the right way," Reid said. "If you're paying all of your money to a quarterback and you can't surround him with players, that can be a problem. So you have to find a way with a Tyreek Hill maybe that you have to get rid of so you can replenish. That's offense and defense. I'm not just talking about the offensive side."

Asked how the Hill trade affects quarterback Patrick Mahomes, Reid said, "You want to surround him with great players. We did try to sign Tyreek at a certain cost. Once it gets past that, now you can see what we're doing here with the players we brought in and we feel they're very good football players.

"[General manager Brett Veach] is building this thing to where we feel we can win on Sundays."

Peter King with more details:

Link: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ia-peter-king/

So it sounds like 12 teams were interested but weren't willing to go higher than what Miami was offering.

The Jets. Always the bridesmaids. Never the bride.

It seems to me that Veach handled this as well as he possibly could have.

Do what? You mean hold the franchise hostage for more $?

Tyreek is a shitty QB's dream. Just toss him WR screens and shit and he will pile up YAC yards like ****ing crazy.

Howd that work out when teams took Hill out of the game? Of when you realize Hill doesn't use his hands to catch the ball leading to INTs.
He has to go against BB run Pat's defense twice a year. Hill will see his catches, he will also get lit up and won't end the season.

Some really stupid Chief Fan is going to describe this as the Chiefs "sitting back" and "not doing anything."

Looks like GB is the team with the most urgent need at WR also best positioned to snake us in the draft at every decent pricepoint.

Appears as though the hope that a hidden WR gem falls to us also incorporates an implicit hidden wish for GB scouting incompetence.

If there's a rush on WR's in the 20's, an edge player will almost certainly fall as a result.

We're pretty well-positioned in a draft that's super deep at both positions.

Who cares if Hill is gone. Average WR that Mahomes made look good. Mahomes will pass for 4500 and 40 TD's without him

He's had more than 4500 yards in 3 of his 4 seasons as a starter. Not a particularly high bar...

The Chiefs and the Packers both needed a C last year.

The Packers took Josh Myers, C, Ohio State right before the Chiefs took Creed.

I almost pointed out Creed and even Bolton in response to your "Kyzir isn't good" insanity yesterday.

But I couldn't remember Josh Myers' name and was too lazy to look it up.

Sometimes teams just get it wrong. Sometimes ALL of 'em get it wrong.

Every single team in football could've drafted Patrick Mahomes either with their own pick or by trading up (afterall, we traded all the way up from 27 to get there). None of 'em did.

Kyzir is good, dammit!!!

Yeah taking Donald Stephenson before Russell Wilson hurt for a long time

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I didn’t say he wasn’t good. I’m just open to the possibility that he’s not as good as we thought.

Or Veach and Spags didn't think he'd fit what they were looking for.

I just watched TH's 2021 high light reel, he wasn't that good.

I will miss Tyreek but, he may have did this team a real favor.

I have a feeling you won't be seeing any more second contracts being given to offensive skill positions or interior linemen.

The Chiefs will adopt a "spare parts" philosophy with those positions and spend more money on elite players on defense instead.

The Chiefs had to resign Kelce and Tyreek to second and third contracts to ease Mahomes' transition into the league. They no longer have to do that. Now Patrick will ease the transitions for skill position players.

You're a ****ing idiot.

They complimented each other well, he will be missed but its better to lose him than PM

I've been reading threads throughout the day thinking the same thing.

My opinion is you pay generational talent. Hill was a generational talent at WR.

Eventually he would be gone, one way or the other, but this moment you had control over...

You pay generational talent at QB. You only pay other positions if it doesn't completely **** your team over.

We emptied the whole team this year and at one point had the 2nd most cap in the league.

We had the money.

When did we have the 2nd most cap in the league?

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/chief...ng-tyreek-hill

I thought I read 2nd but I may have been wrong. I stand corrected.

Yeah....that was AFTER we traded Hill. We weren't paying Hill and having the 2nd most cap space.

We could have shaved another $14 I believe from Converting Pat's money.

Everything is possible it's an argument over the cost. My argument would have been you keep your Rice-Montana pairing as long as possible. Everyone else is expendable...

The Chiefs have a head coach, QB and TE that are all in the top 3 OF ALL TIME at their position. We will be fine without that illiterate piece of garbage!

Look, the last two years we just weren't good enough. I mean, that's just the facts.

O-line suckage and lacking depth cost us SB55.

Last year, the defense sucked balls the first half of the year, and then again at the end.

And in the second half of the AFCCG, the offense shit all over themselves.

Not good enough. It was time to re-load. Defense was too top heavy salary-wise, and the offense was not diverse enough and with a record setting deal to Hill, not enough resources to get better.

We got a great haul for Hill. This will go a long way to reloading the team if Veach knocks this draft out of the park like he did last year.

I'm conceding NOTHING. I fully expect this team to be a contender in 2022. It will look different, but I don't think anyone will want to play them in January.

I was half expecting a Kelce trade in a year or two. Not this

We might see that next year. He's aging and high priced. That might be how we add some picks for the KC draft...

Chris Jones is probably gone. My guess is Kelce retires as a Chief.

If we're willing to trade Hill everyone outside of Pat is bait...

I'm really hoping that this teaches the Chiefs management a lesson; they traded a lot of draft capital to get Clark along with a huge contract and are paying the price. Yes, it did help them get a SB (however, they might have won without him).

I want to see the Chiefs building through the draft instead of buying expensive rentals. I really believe that Miami is going to regret this deal.

They were trying to get over the hump, and quickly, while Patrick was on a rookie deal.

It made sense in the context of the moment.

This is a different context now. Totally different trying to STAY on top as opposed to GET to the top.

You wanna stay? Anyone but your generational QB is expendable. You MUST draft well, and you MUST spend thriftily in free agency. It's really that simple.

Look at all of the turnover between the SB teams in New England. Other than Brady, anyone who got expensive got gone. That offense was totally different from year to year almost.

This is The Way. Better embrace it.

Kelce’s cap hit is reasonable. Hope he retires as a Chief.

Did I happen to catch the Buffalo
playoff game?

Sample size is small, but numbers show Mahomes is 4-1 in games w/o Reek on the field. In those 4 wins, offense averaged over 30 PPG and Mahomes averaged over 300 PYPG.

So it would seem Pat can perform w/o Reek and the team can win w/o Reek on the field . . . . . . at least in the regular season.

The question is can the Chiefs offense win playoff games w/o him? He’s come up huge in several playoff games for us over the last few years. Will another one of these receivers step up and do what he did for Pat when the ‘big play’ is needed?

Time will tell, I guess . . . . .

I don't. Because that means you are no maximizing his value. This year or next at the very latest should be the last year we get out of him before hes traded. TE production starts to dramatically decline at his age, now.

Chiefs should think about getting a TE to replace him eventually, what we have on our roster I'm not sold on quite frankly.

But take away Reek in some games and what is he?
No ReeK, no WASP and no SB win for example... Same with the left-handed pass play in Denver a few years back, and the throw to Reek against the Ravens a few years back, and of course, the playoff win over Buffalo this year. Without Reek we likely lose all those games...It works both ways...

I don't think we need time to tell.

I was being sarcastic. Hill is pretty damn good.

DeerCan we? Of course we can. Other teams win playoff games without Hill. Did we not lose several with him? Hell yes we did.

No, I get what you’re saying. But I was only focusing on the games that Pat started and Reek wasn’t playing in. He was 4-1 in those games. I’m not discounting the games Reek played in and certainly helped him (and the team) win. Was merely saying the offense, and more specifically, Mahomes, has shown he CAN win games and our offense CAN put up numbers w/o Reek out there. And I get it’s a small sample size, but 5 games is something, and I think we can take something from it. What I take from it is with the team we have NOW (including Andy, coaches, etc.), I think the Chiefs will still be strong on offense and will still win a majority of their games, at least in the regular season.

The only question I was asking is, without Tyreek, can we win playoff games? Will someone else on the team step up in the big moments, like Tyreek seemed to many times? Do we have THAT guy on the roster? The truth is I don’t know.

Of course, the other side of that argument is we had Reek in 2016 & 2017, when we lost our first playoff games to the Steelers and the Titans. Obviously, Reek had a bit of a different role in that offense at that time, especially considering Alex Smith was his QB. So Reek without Pat is something to consider there.

You could argue that we need both to win playoff games. Those two together have correlated to our playoff success. Reek with Alex as his QB did NOT win playoff games. So the scenario is can Pat w/o Reek win playoff games? I would be inclined to say yes, but we don’t know that until we see it.

Again, I’m not discounting the games we won in the playoffs where Reek was a vital part of those wins. In fact, I think he was essential to THOSE wins. But that is in the past, playoff history. The question is what can we win going forward without him.

And I think we very much need time to tell whether we can . . . . .

Well, two other teams have since won Super Bowls without Tyreek Hill, and one other team has beat us in the AFC Championship game. How'd they do that?

maybe fielding a better overall team might be an answer.

I would agree we probably can, as well. But we have no data to go off of yet.

Reek w/o Pat was 0-2 in the playoffs. With Pat, 8-3. We have no data for Pat w/o Reek at this point. But, overall, yes we can BOTH win AND lose games with Reek in the fold. He was 8-5 overall in his time with the Chiefs.

But if we’re just analyzing the two together, they were 8-3. I guess you can argue they lost several together, but I would argue they won a majority of their playoff games together.

The main question is was it because of Mahomes or the combination of Reek and Mahomes together?

Time and some more playoff appearances will answer that question.

Guys, the TEAM has to be better. It's been two years now of close but no cigar. Paying Hill wasn't going to help the TEAM get better, as in at multiple positions.

Getting better across the board will offset the loss of Hill. We have plenty of evidence that this is true-look at the last two years of NFL football. Other teams beat us and won SB's without Tyreek Hill.

We were one offsides penalty away from winning an AFC championship in a game where Tyreek had 1 catch.

Right.

You also look at a team like Packers w a HOF QB who also had a great connection w a Pro Bowl WR. The result - the Pack also haven't won shit either recently.

They simply are not worth the money they demand and they can be taken out of games by good defebses.

But that’s how that team was built. It was built keeping in mind that we have Tyreek Hill. So of course we needed Tyreek to win the SB.

We’re building a different team now. We might not be running Wasp, but we’ll run different plays and hopefully different guys make those plays.

Maybe a more balanced team doesn’t fall behind 10 points in the SB. Maybe they’re more efficient and don’t have to run a miracle 3rd down play.

We had time to spare when Damien Williams put us up 10 points. Maybe without wasp we just run a few more plays and still get there.

Exactly.

This rep description is spot on.

Thank you for making my point in a much clearer and more concise manner.

This, in essence, is what I was trying to say. We have to evolve because we are forced to evolve.

I think we'll be fine and I think time will prove that out . . . . . .

I dunno, I'm not saying they won't trade Kelce but he's a tick higher on the franchise nostalgia level than Hill for me.

Trading picks for the right to make a player the highest paid (or close) at his position is not a good strategy. Maybe Veach has learned from his past mistakes doing that himself. It's just the Tyreek had a unique skill-set and we don't know yet how that will affect the offense.

Obviously, he needs to draft well to make the trade a win.

Another thing that's interesting to consider is that the entire AFC (and the AFCW in particular) has been building to try and beat us for the past few years, and it seems like this is the year where a few of them might have gotten there except...

That team no longer exists. They can load up on pass rushers, and to be fair that's never a bad thing, but Patrick's likely not going to be holding the ball for 5 seconds waiting on Tyreek to come open deep. We're probably going to move to a lot of underneath crossing kinds of stuff and allowing our new, more physical, WRs to get YAC. We're probably going to run a little more often. And while the QBs we'll be facing are formidable, we finally have the cap space and draft capital to (hopefully) fix the Frank Clark issue.

Obviously this is making a lot of assumptions and is taking an optimistic look, but it's pretty clear that teams had started figuring out how to beat our "old" offense, and it's not necessarily a bad thing for DCs to have to try and figure out what Andy's going to do this year with a completely different set of skills to play with.

Yeah I think we're looking to run a traditional West Coast offense and get the ball out quick to the bigger WRs allowing them to pile up the YAC yards. Hopefully that will negate how well other teams have improved and invested in their pass rush.

With enough speed still at WR (Valdes-Scantling, Hardman) that if teams start adjusting and coming out of the shell, KC can still punish them over the top.

I think that's the move.

I bet it's effective too. I have faith in Andy and Pat.

I don't think we need another speedster. I think we need a tall WR that can just jump up in the end zone and catch TD passes. We can move the ball effectively Patriculating it down field but we need more options in the red zone than Kelce. Tyreek was losing battles on taller DBs that he use to snag getting higher than them. Tyreek did not come in clutch this year for being the "best WR" in the NFL.

More big body WR that can block and square up jump up for the ball and also run crisp routs.

Yeah, a Sammy replacement without the glass vagina would be ideal.

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Yeah if there's one thing Tyreek loves it's running between the tackles and laying some wood on linebackers.

Raiders gonna have the same problems after next year and Waller could get traded soon... Raiders gonna have like 86 mil in cap room next year, only have 6 mil now , waller is being paid like the 15th best TE in the NFL and he will want to get paid, Renfrow prob gonna get 10-13 mil Carr will get 30-40 mil (out of that 86 mil next year money) Josh Jacobs will prob get the 5th year option. Almost impossible to have top flight players in more than 2 positions in the NFL any more. I will still sleep good at night, not my money

I don't think any of the owners are losing sleep about losing money.

They aren't losing any money just the cap is all they have to control.

Certain teams are better at developing their own talent than other teams like Greenbay and the Cheatriots , they seem to never get in cap trouble and still win

And all you have to show for it is... a one/done playoff appearance.