Stephon Gilmore has spoken...

https://nesn.com/2020/01/why-stephon...in-super-bowl/

But lost to them at home. Niners utterly destroyed the Packers in two games. Matt Moore could have easily taken Jimmy G’s spot last weekend and it would make no difference in the result. They ran the ball over 80% of the snaps and Green Bay looked helpless.

Our defense is finally at full strength. We haven’t been that way since Nov.

dude, the only you win is if we come out and do a bunch of inexplicably dumb shit like drop a bunch of passes, and get a punt blocked for a TD, and then fumble a punt and give it to you inside the 5. And EVEN THEN, I wouldn't start talking shit if I were you until the clock hits 0:00.

We did all that shit, and then dropped 51 points on Houston. 28 of it in the SECOND ****ING QUARTER.

We did all that stupid shit, and beat them by 20 points.

We dropped some more passes to start the Tennessee game, spotted them 10 points, shut down Henry for 8 yards in the second half and beat them by 11 and it wasn't that close if you actually watched the game.

The only way you win is if KC beats themselves. That's the ONLY way. If we play anywhere near an 'A' game, you'll get blown the **** out.

I was referring to NO. I don’t think There’s a big gap between KC and NO.

Okay but would they have won with Moore without Bosa, Buckner, and Staley? That’s a whole different game when you look at it from that angle.

You clearly have not been watching.

Don't even deny it. You haven't watched a single game other than San Fran games, have you?

You have NOT watched KC if you can actually say that with a straight face.

As a team? No but we aren’t built even a little bit alike.

The Saints don’t even present a deep passing threat for the most part. They win in the short to intermediate areas with Brees’ precision. Not comparable offenses at all.

FYP

We have a winner for the most dumbshit comment by a 49ers troll today, congrats.

Why you keep saying that Henry was held to 8 yards in the 2nd half. HE GOT 3 CARRIES. That’s on coaching. The game was still within reach.

Valid question, especially on defense. Rodgers definitely took advantage of KC’s missing pass rushers. I think 49ers without 1 OL would still run the ball very well on Green Bay. That defense looked completely clueless.

We don't give a shit about trash talking opposing fans of any team.

We don't give a shit about the 49'ers.

If we take care of our business, we'll win. Who the other team is does not matter.

You totally don't understand.

The Chiefs don't give a shit about the 49'ers. They're just in the way.

Yeah it was like they didn’t even show up which was weird.

One comparable aspect of the Chiefs and Saints is the OL. They graded out as the 3rd and 4th best pass protection OLs in the league. Both allowed only 25 sacks with the Saints allowing sacks at a slightly lower rate (4.7% vs 4.9%).

The 49ers didn’t sack Brees and only managed 3 QB hits in that game. That would almost certainly explain why the Saints offense was so successful in that game.

Hmmmm...

That’s a good question...

That’s a negative on watching them.

Honestly have no idea what that proves. Or maybe if I say I did “Watch” you’ll say “yes, but you didn’t SEE”. FOH

See, what you don't get is....


No it wasn't.

It wasn't.

Our defensive line had taken over the line of scrimmage. Our offense had started clicking. They were ****ed, and they knew it.

It's not so much about the 3 carries. It's what those 3 carries looked like. It was the realization that they could not afford to go 3 and out again and have a prayer of winning.

You don't get it, but you will.

so you came to another board to talk trash about a team you've never watched.

oh buddy! Welcome.

Get yourself a good seat for next Sunday. You're gonna see some shit that's going to blow your mind!

See you think you can glance at the year's stats and you have an idea of what things are. Oh man.

I think you’re wrong. The NFL is a family. Just like we should all be. Maybe you don’t care about the 9ers, but I wouldn’t go as far as saying the chiefs don’t.

Who’s judging this contest and who’s keeping track?

That’s a big negative Cristopher.

I came here to wish you guys luck and to tell you that Mahomes is truly great. I also participated in giving my 2 cents on how I saw the 9ers winning. I was very clear that if we can’t get Mahomes in the ground we don’t stand a chance.

Then I was bombarded my homophobic responses. In which case anything I said after that made me a “troll” and gay. And apparently there’sa bunch of crap on my street.

Sorry that we don’t have the same view point in the matter. Sorry I didn’t watch any other team that’s not the 9ers play. That’s why my observation is pretty simple. Get to Mahomes we win. We don’t, we lose.

I don’t think I need to watch any KC games to come to that conclusion.

Can you please tell me how the Titans and 9ers are built alike.

They're an obstacle, in the way.


You're looking at these season stats:
In a year where we completely gutted the defense, new coordinator, new staff and like 8 new starters, had tons of injuries and finally got dialed in and healthy mid-season.

An offense in which Mahomes was playing on one leg for the first half of the year, missed 2 1/2 games, Tyreek Hill missed like 6 games, Watkins like almost that many, our left tackle missed 8, and you look at the overall stats and think you have an idea of what this offense does.

Dude.

Both have shitty game manager QBs who need a running game.

Both built on stretch zone schemes (with some gap mixed in), running behind tough, gritty offensive lines that like to set the tone... both have just ok QBs. Both good at RB (although their backs do it a little differently; still a handful). I’d say they’re about even at WR. I might give a very slight edge to SF there but AJ Brown is the best receiver between the two teams right now — regardless, their receivers are used predominantly off of PA concepts in the intermediate to deep portions of the field. Both teams have very good play callers, but Shanahan is better I’ll admit.

I mean you could actually watch Titans games and that would have saved me all that typing...

There's just no way the Niners win this game if the Chiefs D plays like it did against Tennessee. The Niners aren't going to be able to run the ball consistently. Jimmy G will pee down his leg when he can't throw over the middle. And that will be a wrap.

Sorry buddy, I’ve clearly stated that stats don’t matter.

The ONLY time stats where brought up is when the comparison of the defense’s were brought up. That comparison was only after week 11. After week 11 the comparison to the 9ers and Chiefs defense Were comparable.

I don’t get why only after week 11 we compare the 2 teams. But I get it. Y’all finally got it together. On the flip side no one on this board acknowledges that our defense was not what it was early in the season when everyone’s healthy. You guys want to compare the “oiled machine” your defense turned into vs our defense that was riddled with injuries. I’d say that’s unfair.

At the end of the day WHO CARES. I don’t.

Are there practices this week? Or is it more walkthroughs and then practices next week?

They said during the game that Jimmy Grapes wants to wear his protective knee brace for the remainder of his career.

That says a lot about how he feels about his knee.

If we get a lead on dat ass and Jimmy Grapes is forced to throw regularly he's in deep doo-doo.

We also have the better coach, who absolutely ass raped your DC the last time we played you. Yes you have a better pass rush, but we have Mecole Hardman and a QB that is better than 2018.

We put 38 on that defense while taking our foot off the gas at half. And yes a lot of that was bc of elite play designed screens and a God level QB.

You better pray that the Chiefs don’t go up multiple scores early or limit your run game bc if that happens and this game turns into Jimmy G vs Mahomes, it’s a wrap.

Flow of the game matters. They attempted to run, and on two consecutive series were shown that the Chiefs weren't giving them a damn thing and they were forced to adjust.

This idea that it's the coache's fault they went away from Henry (they really didn't) is a false narrative.

Put down the NFLN and watch the actual game.

The Talking Heads are full of cliches and bullshit talking points that are just basic, shallow level shit.

Fact is the Chiefs FORCED Henry out of the game because they had shut his ass down. What did you expect the Titans to do, keep running something that wasn't working? GMAFB.

well, I'm not homophobic. I don't care who or what you do whatever with as long as they're not children or animals. Consenting adults, whatever.

As for the game, perhaps I got you mixed up with some of your fellow 9'ers fans are talking mad trash, using the same old tired arguments that everyone has brought here the last few months.

Anyway, if you want to try to claim you have the better TEAM, but we have the better PLAYER, you're still wrong.

You haven't seen this speed.

This defense is not what the season long stats say it is. Try the last 8 weeks, that's an indication of what this defense is like when it's relatively healthy and settled into the scheme.

We're nothing like the Saints.

Better O-Line? Highly debateable. Maybe a better run-blocking O-Line but our pass blocking is Elite.

Better D-Line? Again, highly debateable.

Better LB - Ok

Better Secondary? Also debateable. And quite frankly, pointless. Because i already know your secondary can't run with our boys. I saw that last season and i've seen it every time ya'll have had to play an elite QB.

It's funny. These 9er fans have no ****ing clue. They really don't.

I mean, i appreciate the effort from some of you, but you just don't know.

Ya'll are saying the same exact shit that Texans and Titans fans said. Same shit every rival fan base says. And then the Chiefs take their asses to the woodshed, and their players say, "damn, there's nothing else like that in the NFL".

The BayOfGay is punting at 12:25 to go. 3rd quarter 1994.

The 49ers absolutely do not have a better secondary than us. What a ****ing joke.

They think that because Richard Sherman is a brand name they have some elite secondary. Richard Sherman can't run with Reek. We know that for a fact. And their LB's and safeties will be busy getting Lonnie Johnson'd by Kelce.

Exactly.

I’m so over this idea that it’s all Mahomes and his weapons and the 49ers roster is vastly superior. We have a great team and it’s time to shut all these stupid mother****ers up.

I'm not worried about their running backs, Philip Lindsey didn't do shit against us this year.

Sure their Defensive Line is a concern, and we have not had to face a TE like Kittle all year, but beyond that bring it!

LOL. You need to put it in terms the self stabbers can relate to. If the NFL was jail Lonnie would have to hold TK's pocket. Whoever tries to guard TK 1:1 will be the prison bitch.

49ers #1 Pass defense - 169 yards/game
Chiefs #8 Pass defense - 221 yards/game

Just goes to prove that 9ers fans don't watch football games except for 49ers games

Because when teams get so far behind they throw the ball every down, dipstick.

Patrick will have that by halftime

You do realize that it takes more than a secondary to defend the pass, right?

But besides that, we force teams to throw it more because they know they have to keep up with Pat.

Since you 49ers fans are stat whores that don’t watch football I’ll give you some stats:

Ward has a top 3 passer rating when targeted this year. I don’t know where Sherman was, but I know he wasn’t 1 or 2.

The Chiefs were the only team to have two corners allow less than a 50% completion percentage with Ward and Breeland.

Also, Tyrann Mathieu is 10 times better than any of your safeties.

Your DB’s aren’t better and your useless pass defense stat doesn’t change that.

Your secondary has never seen anything like our offense before. Richard Sherman was ****ing roasted last time we played. We have 2 guys who REQUIRE double teams. It's not an option. And when you do commit 4 to 2, Watkins and Hardman and our backs will win their 1v1 matchups. It's simple math: you don't have enough horses.

LMAO

There's nothing special about your secondary, i don't give a damn who you played before.

They weren't even watching those until they were 6-0/7-0'ish.

These boys don't understand football. It couldn't be more clear.

Yeah,we haven't faced a single tight end like Kittle but the chiefs have played against some good ones (Waller, Rudolph, Henry) and some good units (Ravens have a solid group of three)

I'm going. There is a thread about it for people that are going. I also hope to meet up with Chiefs fans there.

The Chiefs will double team their top receiving threat. Sometimes they'll double team both top receiving threats. I bet Kittle will hardly be a factor if the Chiefs decide to cancel him out.

To sum it all up... you guys have faced EVERYONE like the 9ers. Yet NO ONE has ever seen anything like the Chiefs... got cha.

The 49ers have a great team, but neither the offense or the defense are all-time great level like our offense.

Correct, Friend.

Richard Sherman's 2019 season (rank among CBs):

PFF Overall Grade: 88.9 (1st)
PFF Coverage Grade: 90.1 (1st)
Receiving yards allowed / coverage snap: 0.44 (1st)
Coverage snaps / reception allowed: 19.1 (2nd)
Passer rating allowed: 46.8 (3rd)

PFF grades LMAO

I’ll even give you that Sherman is better than Ward. I wasn’t necessarily trying to argue against that, just giving the facts on a stat that I think is very telling considering Gilmore and White, the two best corners in the league, were 1 and 2.

I’m talking about your secondary as a whole, so don’t start moving goalposts out of desperation for a win in this argument.

Copied from a Fansided article

If San Francisco stays healthy at its second level, the wide-9 adjustment should be beneficial. After all, it’s better suited to a pass-heavy league, and interior runs have become far less frequent with teams going away from traditional fullbacks and lead blockers.

That said, good teams take advantage of what opposing defenses give them. And if the Niners are trading interior run defense for better outside containment and pass defense, one would expect their opponents to try to exploit it as much as possible.

Interesting artivle... IIRC the Wide 9 is what the Eagles ran when Andy went to the SB. I wonder if this is what the 49ers are still running? Time for the sausage?

Do they need to be all-time great? They are damn good on both sides of the ball. They score 30 points per game and play very solid defense with a great pass rush. All it takes is a few dumb mistakes like we saw against Houston and KC is screwed. Niners are too good to get away with that.

See, I’m getting the hang of how things work around here.

**** the 49ers

Did they come out and commit those dumb mistakes against Tennessee? Really the only thing I can think of that they messed up was the fake punt.

Umm did you even read the post I quoted?

I’m explaining to him why our attitude is “you haven’t seen anything like us”.

Chiefs have the better pass protection OL, which is what actually matters in the Chiefs offense.

SF has the better run blocking OL.

I wouldn’t say either is better necessarily. People get too caught up in the Chiefs run blocking. It really doesn’t matter in their offense.

I think we got that out of the way against Houston?

Mahomes will shred their zone defense. We will get the lead, and they will have to rely on their passing game to keep them in it. A running team forced to pass more instead. Their QB will get hit, and fumble.

Game. Set. Match.

I hope so. They are due for a game where they come out of the gates on fire in the first quarter. Would be nice to see them get off to a much better start in 1st quarter than we have seen the last couple games.

You guys like to play from behind? And you call us gay???

Only the receiver is gay, everyone knows this.

Dudes, it's going to be a good superbowl. Chillax.

I’ve seen a lot of talk about Jimmy G and the 49ers offensive performance against the Saints.

I just want to point out that the Saints lost both Davenport and Rankins in that game. 2 of the best guys on their DL. I’m not quite sure when those injuries happened, but I’m assuming it had a big impact.

Agreed, 100%

I think it ultimately comes down to what D line does the most work in disrupting overall.

Yeah yeah...Bosa, Buckner, and Ford are good but seeing what a hobbled Jones did single-handedly against the Titans gives me hope that the Chiefs will make jimmy crap his pants a lot more

You even suck at gay jokes. No one LIKES to play from behind, but sometimes it gets forced upon you.

Zing!

And the 49ers didn’t get a sack in that game. Not one.

Well, there's always a TIGHT END.

Just checked the game play-by play:

- Jared Cook got concussed early on was ruled out for the rest of the game.
- Davenport went out on the second (at that point NO was winning) on a drive SF went on to score on and take the lead
- Rankins went out in the 3rd (at that point SF was winning) on a drive that ended with an SF punt.

Honestly I think we match up great with Niners offense. HB will take away the middle of the field (the only area Jimmy can throw). And our run defense will continue their dominance from last week. We will rotate fresh bodies across the Dline and they’ll be forced to throw WR screens and fly sweeps to Debo Samuel for minimal yards. They’re done.

Wow, I didn’t even know about Cook. If that Saints offense scored that much without their 2nd best receiver for the majority of the game that’s a good sign for us.

Davenport going out that early definitely had an impact and by the time Rankins went down in the 3rd their defense was really toast.

Imagine if Russell Wilson had the strongest arm in the league, had an actual OL instead of trash, had the best offensive coach in the league instead of trash, had an elite TE instead of trash and 2 more dangerous receiving weapons?

That would give you an idea, but would still not be our offense. He was still 1 yard from 28 points despite all of that.

Andy Reid clowned you’re DC last year with his play designs. He ran that defense out of the building before showing mercy at half.
Your defense was confused the entire game.

That’s what you’re dealing with dude. It’s going to be extremely difficult for your defense to hold us under 35 points.

The 49ers vs. the Saints game is interesting. The Niners "elite" defense allowed the Saints to score TDs on their first four drives. All long, 50+ yard drives. The Saints just marched down the field on them. In the second half, NO got an INT off Garrapolo on SFs first drive, but only went 4 plays for 3 yards and kicked a FG.

Then the Saints fumbled their next possession, kicked a FG on their next possession, turned the ball over on downs, then TD, TD, both of those long 75-yard drives as well.

The Saints lit the 49ers defense up, both through the air and on the ground. If not for the Saints crapping themselves on that first possession in the second half, they would've won that game.

The Saints scored on 8 out of 12 possessions.

The NO defense really didn't show up. They must be horrible on that side of the ball.