Dang. Well Veach said last year that he wanted to target young players in FA. Trying to see who would be an option in FA.

Trey Flowers
Frank Clark
Demarcus Lawrence
Preston Smith

I'm NOT ditching Tyreek Hill for a ****ing lineman. In ANY universe. Hill and Kelce need to be Mahomes offensive mainstays until they are no longer able to perform at a high level. The Sammys and Sausages of the world can come and go.

Yeah you gotta wonder about someone who thinks we can just find another Hill. Maybe his stint as a lineman has colored him to think the skill positions are easy.

He probably has CTE

Earl Thomas

I'd be ecstatic with Earl Thomas or Landon Collins

I'm not sure why Hunt has such respect for Veach. His first draft class was nothing to brag about and he overpaid for Hitchens and Watkins.

I hope Hunt is proven right but so far - meh...

uh the guy was the one who put the chiefs on the mahomes radar

Look, I can appreciate having quality fatties on the roster and after watching that playoff game, it's obvious that our O-line and D-lines need more talent.
You have to have D-line that can penetrate and disrupt because in this day and age, it's more about pressures than sacks. It totally sucks but batting balls and getting in the face of the QB is more productive than sacking or tackling because you could be looking at a "roughing" call up to 50% of the time now. So in that regard, having Chris Jones( and hopefully one more like him )is a great advantage to this team.

That understood, what Hill brings to the team is almost unquantifiable because he has an unnatural ability to reel in some of the wilder passes that Mahomes will attempt when he's being chased down, or when the pocket is fading and he decides to let fly.
When you combine that with the speed, intelligence, and work ethic, it's a no-brainer.

I really hope Veach knocks it out of the park this off season. Not just because we need it, but also because I am getting SO sick of reading about how he "sucks" when in fact, this is his first TRUE off season as the Chiefs GM.
Why don't people understand this?

Sign a vet CB and safety and also draft a safety and CB high in the draft. Also, take a mid round flier on a talented CB that drops in hopes Spags can coach him up.

Double up to fix the problem.

Bet everyone is on Veach’s nuts a year or two from now. Give him a year with an actually decent set of draft picks and see what happens.

I’m not judging anyone from the 2018 class yet—that’s ridiculous. Especially when we didn’t pick until 49th overall. Hali and Ford didn’t exactly set the world on fire their rookie year either.

Bet we draft a pass rusher pretty early. We might have one of them this year but it won’t be long before both Houston and Ford are gone.

Why do you think that Veach is a good drafter? He's still running with the team that Dorsey setup so that probably helps but this is still his first time as a GM.

Just curious.

There’s a track record of him banging the table for some players as a scout/talent evaluator that have turned into star players. Mahomes, Cox, McCoy, and Desean Jackson are just a few that we know about. There’s probably more than that.

A lot of his picks even last year still have more promise for the future than most rookies after a first year. You might laugh, but I won’t be shocked a bit if guys like Watts and McKenzie turn into decent starters. Speaks will fit this defense better. Nnadi is already looking like a solid choice.

But more than anything, Veach has been tremendous about finding upgrades on the bottom 2/3 of the roster. The depth is a lot better than it was in a lot of key positions now than it was even two years ago. Charvarius Ward, Jordan Lucas, Austin Reiter, Damien Williams, Darrel Williams, Cam Erving, Justin Hamilton, etc. These guys have all flashed as really solid depth players, some with solid starter potential, and they were acquired for very little money and/or trade compensation.

Sure. If you could sign Hill for 16m per. But I don't think that is likely. How much do you think the Chiefs should be willing to pay per year before you let him walk?

Hill I'd go all the way up to 75 Million for 5 years.

Hill is getting more than $85 million in his contract. That shit is almost guaranteed to happen.

What? You wouldn’t pay him more than $15M?

Front load contract, re-up after 4 years if he is still cooking.

I mean AB got 4 years 68 Million, so I guess you could bump it to 80 Million for 5 Years.

Yeah.....two years ago.

Tyreek is not going to take $16M per year when that’s what Watkins got.

He’s going to be the highest paid WR in the league soon, at least until Michael Thomas gets a new deal.

One thing that I wouldn’t mind from Veach here soon is Kendall Fuller extension.

He didn’t have a great year compared to his 2017 season, but I’ve got a feeling he will bounce back and be really good in this new defense for 2019. Right now we might be able to get him a little cheaper than if he were to have a great season ahead of hitting the market.

Plus, he’s still only 23 years old. TWENTY THREE. He’ll be 24 before the season starts, but still. That’s a rookie age for some people.

I've been thinking the same thing recently. Buy low.

I love the intangible side of things with that kid too. Seems like a great guy to have in your locker room. Loves the game, works hard, showed tremendous toughness this season with his injury.

If we release Houston, do we just roll with Speaks? So Speaks, Ford on the tag, Tanoh and a high draft pick?

Or do we spend some money and sign a big name DE and have them get a low first year cap hit to offset Ford’s tag # and then have money free for them when Ford is gone in 2020?

I don't think you can sign a decent DE and keep Ford, no matter how you structure it. That's why you are cutting Houston in the first place.

In that scenario, I think you sign a cheaper guy who you think could play some snaps for you if needed and you draft an end early if one is available that they like a lot.

If you wind up keeping Houston and letting Ford go, I’m signing Shane Ray if the price is reasonable.

Exactly.

And CP continues to create threads about brokedick assholes.

Shane Ray is a brokedick JAG.

Lol, whatever.

He was stuck behind two HOFers early in his career, finally got to play more his third year where he put up 8 sacks, and then got injured. Denver drafts Chubb, leaving no spot for Ray this year.

I’m not saying he’s a star but I bet he’s as motivated as ever and he has the ability to be a solid contributor somewhere.

Ray is the type of player they’re gonna have to sign and hope to get value

Some of you guys wanting them to sign a big name need to look around at the cap space some of these shitbird teams have. It’s nuts

Veach would have more credibility in peoples' eyes if it weren't for the Watkins and Hitchens contracts. I know I'm one of the biggest culprits on this forum for bitching about his first draft, but had he either played it safe in free agency last year or acquired only players whose production could match their contract, we'd be doing just fine moving forward with more cap space and fewer question marks. His draft would be more widely thought of as just the best he could do with the picks he had, hoping to hit on some dudes with high potential.

The good news is that those two "mistakes" can be fixable. The Sammy Watkins deal is short term. We don't have to keep him for the 3rd year of that deal if he can't give us better production and stay healthy.

And I think a big reason Spagnuolo was chosen is he offered the greatest chance for us salvaging Hitchens and making him the player we thought we were getting when we acquired him. If Hitchens turns into the reliable guy we needed this season but didn't get, then the contract isn't a problem at all to our cap.

Even looking at Watkins though, is the AFCCG close without him? I’m not sure.

Injury record is questionable at this point but he sure does make a difference out there.

I don’t think I’m paying Fuller unless it’s a reasonable deal. He isn’t “top dollar” worthy as an outside corner.

I wouldn’t pay him like a premiere corner but a deal in the $8-10M per year range would be really solid. If he has a good year and hits the market in 2020, he’ll almost certainly get $12M+.

If Fuller returns to 2017 form, where he was a great slot corner, in this Spagnuolo defense, everyone is going to wish we had extended him sooner because he will hit the market and leave town.

He was solid last year in Sutton’s shit defense, he’ll be better in ‘19. We can draft another corner early this year who will be cheap while Fuller has his pay raise.

"Do you want to compete for championships in Kansas City, or do you want to earn the big bucks in Detroit"? is the gist of my conversation with any player on this 53 man roster NOT named Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, or Jones.
We need to get our cap under control and Veach should begin the transition to hardball THIS year, no waiting. This is especially true with any of the depth guys( and some of the lesser starters even )who may be looking at contracts this year. It's time to overhaul our in-house "value system".

His brother got 14m after a similar season and went on to be first team all pro.

Fuller is exactly the type of person and player you give a big contract to without worrying about it hurting you later on.

Yeah you absolutely pay Fuller and now is the perfect time.

Getting Watkins was a good move. He is part of the reason why this offense was historically good. Unless he gets injured next year, he will be staying in KC for the duration of his contract.

Hitchens is the one I am scratching my head on. Big dollars and poor play.

I subscribe to the theory that Spags was coming to KC long before the hire. Acquisitions like Hitchens and draft picks that were clearly geared toward a 4-3, combined with the light speed of the hire, make clear that Veach and Reid were setting the table.

I expect we will see a "much improved" Hitchens coming out of camp this year.

And he will want more like any player would. Kendall Fuller is “good”. That’s fine, but you can’t afford to overpay for “good”, especially with a $200 million quarterback.

He isn’t a top 10 caliber outside corner. $15-16 million a year needs to equal that pay.

This is exactly how I feel. It’s uncanny how many players we signed/drafted that fit the 4-3 scheme better. It’s just too crazy to be a coincidence.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source tells me <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> made run at hiring Antonio Pierce as their new LBs coach but he&#39;s staying at Arizona State</p>&mdash; Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/1091883402788249600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The guy extended pioli in a 3-13 season, his take doesn’t mean a whole lot..

Ah damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source tells me <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> made run at hiring Antonio Pierce as their new LBs coach but he&#39;s staying at Arizona State</p>&mdash; Alex Marvez (@alexmarvez) <a href="https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/1091883402788249600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Antonio Pierce
 

Per Twitter, seems Antonio Pierce was offered and has turned down a LB coach position under Spagnuolo, and will remain at Arizona State.

Spag can’t pull a college position coach away....not a good sign IMO...

I tend to agree. Spagnuolo’s name was floated last year around this time before Andy confirmed Sutton’s return, and at the very least, the personnel drafted by Veach strongly indicated a 4-3 scheme was incoming at some point.

Not making excuses for Hitchens, but I think the rib injury really lingered and caused him to play a bit gunshy for several weeks. He looked quite good over the late stretch which leads me to be believe he got healthy. No doubt a 4-3 should allow him to succeed more than his 3-4 deployment.

Damn. Think that would have been a great hire.

Yea we’re doomed now LMAO

The coolest aspect of that scenario is how proactive it is. I mean, we've watched this franchise make moves for years, many as slow and stupid as they could possibly be. To think that our HC and FO are looking THAT far ahead, playing chess instead of 'Connect Four' is a pretty inspiring situation.

This year, sure. But I am optimistic that Mahomes wil be able to do a better job of making adjustments and not have to wait for Andy.

But it would be nice to have better pass blocking and cut down on those hits.

It would also be nice to have more depth. That is why I'm nervous about making Hill the highest paid receiver.

Pretty cool that waiting probably cost us playing in the super bowl this year.

Pierce must really enjoy working with Herm

Well the emphasis this offseason has to be (and will be) beating the scheme that NE threw at them. Press man across the board, double teaming Tyreek, bringing heavy pressure. Andy and Mahomes have to figure out many different ways to combat that for when it inevitably comes again.

If they get that down, I don’t think they can be stopped.

Pierce is a Spags fan and he even sent out retweets on his twitter page when Spagnuolo got hired by the Chiefs. He didn’t pass on the job because he didn’t like him or anything like that.

Take it up with Reid.

Pat will be even better next year he will be more knowledgeable.

We have got to focus on the stopping the run and running the ball. Teams can’t keep Pat off the field if we are halfway decent at stopping the run.

I’m expecting that to naturally improve with the scheme and coaching changes. It just really can’t be much worse than it’s been the last few years (run defense).

I was encouraged when Josh McDaniels talked about how Spagnuolo made things really challenging on him as a coordinator when he has went up against him in the past.

If Mahomes continues to put in the work and master the mental side of the position, the Chiefs will be the toughest out in the AFC for the next 10-15 years. He may not ever throw 50 TDs again, although I won’t be surprised if he does, but I also doubt he will have that bad of a defense again in his career.

Hey you twatter rug rats you need to do the obvious and twat at marvez and say hey marvez speaking of possible candidates for the Chiefs defensive staff what other names have you heard?

I know we don't have much to work with and that defense is first priority, but watching NE push the Chiefs O-line's shit in for 4 quarters completely sucked. It would be nice to improve a couple of spots there as well.

Sure. Well you’ve got LDT back, immediate upgrade, especially in pass protection where he excels. Probably will have a new center, hopefully someone with a little more strength than Morse had.

I’m a big believer in the upside of Khalil McKenzie, and if he puts it all together, I believe he’s going to be a bad mother****er.

I wouldn’t be opposed to getting better at LG

McKenzie is going to be a beast.

Its entirely possible Pierce isnt a slimeball and made a commitment to the kids who committed to him.

Sucks about Morse. I liked him as a player and he did well for us. Did you know those guys average 8 or more leg surgeries a career? That's nuts. If things go as you hope, then maybe we can start gaining some ground in that department.
Pat's a tough kid and the league by default will help protect him, but I'd like to see that pocket sustained for a good 3 seconds before he has to start searching for jogging trails.

Maybe he likes coaching in college? Maybe he made a commitment to the players and likes coaching with Herm?

Get ****ing real.

He’s only been at ASU one year. Otherwise 3-4 years high school as HC. Kinda 50/50 on whether they would offer him the main LB job rather than defensive asst or D quality control or asst LBs. Reid seems old school and doesn’t skip steps when hiring coaches and their title and pay. I don’t doubt they had serious interest but the part about being offered and turning it down screams recruiting tool to me. It does nothing but help and makes him, Herm, and the school look good. I’m sure they wanted to hire him I just wouldn’t assume he would get that much responsibility/title so it would come down to more of a choice for him. If he actually likes recruiting then it’s hard to beat being in AZ when he’s from California to go to the nfl right away. I can see a guy in that position being hesitant beings he has only been there a year and hardly gets a chance to see how he likes it.

How about we just move LDT there instead and keep Wylie at RG?

I’d move Wylie but either way would be ok.

Wylie’s the better run blocker, while LDT’s the better pass blocker. It makes more sense IMO.

Wylie isn’t a starter. He was awful down the stretch

Wylie was a major problem vs NE

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs OL had some struggles vs NE, Wylie in particular. Can&#39;t help but wonder how able LDT was to go, as he&#39;s been money on this type of DL action. <a href="https://t.co/VKScnoHNtq">pic.twitter.com/VKScnoHNtq</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1088471592131313664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought Mahomes missed this blitz, but watching this it appears that he makes an adjustment at the LOS. Watch Schwartz push Wylie towards the inside with one hand while blocking. Seems like Wylie should&#39;ve stayed inside here. <a href="https://t.co/zEB1WbTL2X">pic.twitter.com/zEB1WbTL2X</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1088477531211288576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Watch the Chargers game. He really struggled here too. The 2nd play at 10 seconds was one of the worst pass set losses I’ve ever seen from an OL.

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He’s not Jordan Black or Mike McGlinchey. He’s a good backup option, but my god this dude should not be starting.

LDT is so underrated by a lot of folks here. He was definitely missed

I don't see anything wrong with the first video, he was ****ed either way.

Agreed on Wylie. That’s no slight at him. He’s a very good backup. A lot better than most teams have for OL depth. But he’s not a guy I want in the lineup unless injuries have occurred.

LDT does a hell of a job keeping that pocket clean and he will be a welcome sight back into the lineup. My fingers are crossed that McKenzie grabs the LG job by the balls and doesn’t let go, but if it’s Erving again, we could do worse for certain.

I’d draft an OL every year with Mahomes at QB.

I agree. I believe they will use one of their 2nd round picks or their 3rd round pick to grab an OL.

The rest of the high picks will be defense.

A lot of those problems vs New England were communication issues.

When Kelce talks about not being ready for the physicality of the Pats, that's especially true on the offensive line. The line was a disgrace in the first half and the score could have easily been 21-0 thanks to jail break at the end of the half.

LDT is solid at RG. Erving is not the solution at LG. Wylie is a good backup.