Nobody to blame but themselves. I still wonder how big CM Punk could've been if they didn't feed him to Nash and HHH after he came back white hot. They act like it's the talents fault for not trying to push the envelope and get over but Zack Ryder did just that, and they buried him. No one cared after that.

not sure what you were watching in the attitude era but most of the jobbers/mid carders were cartoon characters.

Almost everybody in the attitude era was over far more than the top guys today.

Also, the attitude era was far looser as far as what the wrestlers were able to do creatively as far as their characters personality. Austin, Rock, Foley, and HHH were all parts of their personality magnified and given center stage basically.

Same thing with the APA, Edge & Christian, Dudleys, etc.

but he called New Day cartoon characters. There were cartoon characters in the attitude era, also.

Bah God King, that's Seth Rollins!
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Meh. He'll just be fed to Roman. Maybe I'll tune back in If Roman blows his acl out or otherwise dies. Vince McMahon can **** off with this horribly predictable shit.

Jericho and Ambrose was a really shitty match with a single good spot. Whoever booked it and decided it should of went that long needs to be shot out of a ****ing cannon, directly into the sun.

Roman probably had his best singles performance in his career tonight, and the crowd still shit allover him.

1 phenominal forearm, 2 styles clashes with one of them on a chair and Roman still kicks out.

I dont think Ive ever seen someone kick out of 2 Styles clashes

Welcome back crossfit jesus!

Reigns was fantastic. But it annoys me to no end that he was beat to within an inch of his life, recovers for approx 20 seconds spears AJ once, and it's over.

Like c'mon guys.. I know he should be booked to look strong .. but this is ****ing ridiculous. Reigns needs a heel turn in the absolute worst way.

The Jericho and Ambrose match should have never been on the card in the first place. I know people love Ambrose, but the dude is not a good in ring wrestler. Jericho is just meh at this point in his career.So they turned this into a long, drawn out
spot fest, which was just simply awful to watch. Even most of the spots were lame. I'm wondering if a a Reigns/Ambrose double heel turn to face off against a hot babyface in Seth Rollins could be in the cards?

Loved the fatal 4 way for the IC title. Match of the year candidate for sure. Anytime you have Owens, Cesaro, and Zayn in the ring at the same time, you're going to see something special. Even Miz performed well tonight.

I'd like to see Owens go after the heavyweight championship now, but that certainly won't happen now. :sulk:

Last thought -good for Cody Rhodes getting out of WWE. I hope he finds great success wherever he wrestles next.

I actually agree about Dean Ambrose. I just don't get why people like him so much; dislike his wrestling style and character.

Also agree with Reigns booking, which is ****ing atrocious and killed a surprisingly decent match.

To finish, I think Kevin Owens is going to land the briefcase.

IC title match was ****ing awesome

He should land the briefcase.

Rollins just took a massive shit all over the fans. LMAO

I really thought he might be a face upon his return. There goes that thought.

Styles vs Owens in a MITB qualifying match? Huh..

Having him come back as a face would require critical thinking from Vince McMahon. Nah, let's just watch talent go public with their demands to be released because the creative has gotten so atrocious.

There was no way Seth Rollins was going to return as anything but a heel for two reasons.

One, they're still absolutely desperate to get anyone to like Roman Reigns. Second, the WWE massively lacks in heels and Seth can heel it up really well.

Vince is absolutely certain to prove that he knows wrestling better than the fans do.

Jesus Christ this segment...

Brutal.I'm only sticking around for AJ and Owens. If Owens loses.. I'll break shit.

They have a heel....his name is Roman Reigns and they are too stupid to do what everyone wants.

A heel Reigns being chased by a face Rollins would print money.

They'll both be in the match. They're the only 2 with any shot of getting the briefcase.

I think I'm giving up on a Reigns heel turn

Most likely. Though a Zayn win wouldn't completely shock me.

This match should be fun.

Reigns being face or heel isn't the problem for me. Its this ridiculous shit that literally everyone else gets 50/50 booking, except when you're facing Reigns. Then you're always losing. We've been through this shit with Cena for the last decade.

PLEASE DO SOMETHING HERE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!

This is Cena allover again. People been begging for a Cena heel run for ten years, and it'll never happen.

Seth can at least somewhat work the crowd however he feels.
Don't be surprised if there's a Wyatt interference to set up a BC/family program. I think last night was the last of AJ in the big money program and he knew it, which is why he took crazy bumps.

"We're not friends anymore"

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

So Owens v AJ ends in a DQ?

It's nice that they kill off pretty much every semi hot act they have trying to get Reigns the desired reaction. They made Bryan and Heyman look reeruned after Fastlane a couple of years ago and now we get to relive the same shit with AJ. Jesus Christ with even half the effort and manipulation they've poured into getting Reigns over they could've had a plethora of true main eventers to carry the company for the next decade.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I can't wait for John Cena to come back to monstrous cheers and I hope he LOLCENAWINS over everyone and just inserts himself in the title picture and squashes Reigns like he has done to everyone from 2005-2014

Stupid WWE u could've made Rollins huge instead you make him the bad guy and Roman as the good guy the hero. I'm gonna be sick stupid booking once again.

well when Cena comes back they can't do that, since they made people boo Rollins they can't make people boo Cena. People will see Cena as the savior babyface and if they put him anywhere near Reigns he will get booed out of the state they are performing in that night.

Owens is just the best. LMAO

I imagine Cena comes back and wins the US title off Rusev. They're even getting Kalisto's rematch out of the way on Smackdown this week.

Cena and Reigns probably won't be near each other until next year's mania. Let Cena take back the US title and do his US open challenge

LMAO

Good god no and WWE wonders why they are half booking arenas.


Dumb booking.


Let's see CM Punk could've been huge screwed that up

Orton could've been next Austin anti good guy that people like

And now you force Rollins as a bad guy ridiculous

Owens vs Cole needs to happen at some point.

Owens over clean? Holy smokes

Headlock master

Shane O's passive aggressive **** you to HHH during his "tell all interview" last night was pretty hilarious....

opening a feud to a possible Shane/HHH Summer Slam match

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That's huge if everything in the article is true. Pretty much the 2002 brand split again.

theyre going to put the vets (Cena, Orton, etc) on Smackdown so they are nowhere near Reigns and he doesnt get booed into oblivion and just let the "new era"(i hate this term) play on RAW.

They call it the New Era and most of the "rookies" are already in their mid 30s. Its not like they have another 24 year old John Cena to ride the next 10 years he doesnt exist all these indy darlings have 10 years of wear and tear in legion halls

Wow AJ turned actually WWE got smart

Did anyone else see the Alex Smith jersey about 4 or 5 rows back?

Here wwe buried AJ with Cena nice

Translation?

Basically that after Cena defeats AJ AJ will be a lower card talent like wwe has done to many wrestlers over the years.

I dont know. AJ is pretty over as both a heel and face.

Yea but this time thats ACTUALLY the storyline. AJ gave a promo about shovels and Cena burying people that made it look like a Vince Russo script.

It was a very meta RAW with a lot of smarky stuff dropped

AJ probably wins the first one with a Finn Balor appearance. From there you'll eventually get Cena and New Day bury of the bullet club at SS.

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AJ will be fine, win or lose.

As of now Rollins and Reigns are going to be the top draw of Raw, while Cena and Styles are top on Smackdown. He must be doing all the right things both in the ring and backstage to have gained their trust so completely this quick.

AJ will get one win before Cena gets his obligatory 2 victories

TNA Impact tonight was nearly 2 hours of technical issues and commercials.

TNA LMAO

In other news, WhatCulture wrestling signed Damien Sandow today! :clap:

I want whatever matt hardy is smoking. Also my stone cold lock pick to win money in the bank is sami zayn!

He would be my stone cold lock to not win it. Gotta be KO. Ambrose my 2nd pick

KO would be the smartest move, whixh is why it won't happen. Vince hates what smarks like and Owens will likely be in the "main title" scene when he goes to Smackdown and they bring back the not ugly title.

No way are they rocketing Zayn that fast.

They've hinted a lot at Ambrose winning it and the idea of a Shield 3 way makes Vince furiously jack off. He loves to have Roman chasing the title because you'll love Roman the next time around!

They will give it to Del Rio again because **** you is why.

I see why you guys hate Roman

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Gotta admit I loved AJ flipping the famous john Cena quote around on him. "You're time is up my time is now"

I wonder if AJ or WWE came up with it

youngster in me marks out real hard to this. Kurt is one of the GOATS of wrestling.

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LMAO they still do the "you suck" chant, but it's out of love.

Rumors swirling that it's either Ambrose or Owens to win MITB. I for one, will be pissed if it's Ambrose.

Should be Owens. Build him up as the heel to Reigns. Cena only got interesting when he faced off against Edge or Barrett.

Vince is probably creaming himself thinking about Ambrose winning MITB to set up a potential Shield showdown. **** Ambrose. I'm seriously going to be pissed if he wins.

Well, Ambrose has said non-kayfabe that he really isn't interested in being champion due to the schedule and media appearances required.

yep should 100 percent be Owens and if they had any balls they would put Owens over on Reigns and make him real strong.

But they haven't done that with a heel since like Edge.

People want Owens to win so **** you, enjoy briefcase Del Rio.

-Vince

Finally getting to the entertaining part of the show. Jesus this PPV has been a massive snoozer outside of Crews.

Cena sunk that match to mediocre, that was crutched with a great crowd.

JBL ****ing sucks too

Meh. Seems like they're saving the balls to the wall match for Summerslam and the Smackdown championship.

**** Ambrose. I hope he fails his cash in. ****ing ****.

REBOUND CLOTHESLINE - AND AMBROSE WINS THE TITLE

**** you

This has been a let down of a PPV for the most part.

What you got against Ambrose?

Not really a fan of his wrestling style or the mental illness character. He's awfully plain.

They could have put Ambrose in the main event without the briefcase. They wasted a gigantic opportunity with Kevin, so they can sacrifice another lamb to try and get Roman Reigns over.