Worst. Idea. Ever.

I'd prefer 12. But with the ACC at 14 and the SEC at 13, I could see why they do this(if they do).

With those teams?

Supposedly a reputable BYU blog is tweeting that the BYU has accepted an offer for the Big 12.


http://twitter.com/#!/theupsetblog

That would be a good get for the Big 12. Definitely the best available option.

Like anyone could know all that.

Nobody cares about long commutes in the non con, but when its a conference game: OH MY GOODNESS!

Big XVI

Northeast Quad:

Iowa St
Cincinnati
Missouri
West Virginia

Northwest Quad:

Air Force
Kansas
Kansas St
BYU

Southwest Quad:

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU

Southeast Quad:

Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
South Florida
Louisville

Football would have a "rotating divisional" format:

Year 1 West/East Alignment:

Northwest/Southwest vs Northeast/Southeast

Year 2 North/South Alignment

Northwest/Northeast vs Southwest/Southeast

Year 3 Cross-compass Alignment

Northwest/Southeast vs Northeast/Southwest

Teams play all teams in their alignment = 7 conference games
Teams play one permanent rivalry or rotated inter-alignment game = 8 games
Optional rotated inter-alignment game depending on how many non conference games the conference wants = 9 games

Champions from each "division" play each other in championship game.

Basketball could follow the same format, home and away "in division" for 14 games; and half home half away against opposite division for a total of 22 conference games. Could hold the first two rounds at separate sites on Tue/Wed, a travel day Thr, and the Final Four in KC on Fri/Sat.

There have been a couple of tweets today saying Deaton has resigned as president of the Big 12, but Gabe DeArmond just answered a tweet about it saying he has not heard anything about it.

At least its a nice straight line.

Matter just weighed in and he's my guy on this stuff (I trust him more than the rest).

He says that the XII has stated that he hasn't resigned as the Chairman only because he never was the chairman, rather just 1 of 5 guys on the committee.

Folks - that's significant. That's the XII playing a semantics game in response to a pretty damn straightforward inquiry. Does the man had the title he have yesterday or not? Because he had a title when he had that presser a week ago.

I refuse to get my hopes up, absolutely refuse.

nobody wants a worthless pile of shit like us ... we should just join the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference and get it over with

I wouldn't get my hopes up

That is an interesting game of semantics, to be sure. If the Big XII was 100% sure Mizzou was staying they would squash this story pretty quick, but by giving the answer they have given, they have left the door open to speculation. I think Mizzou's future in the Big XII is certainly in question at this point. Doesn't mean that by the time the curators meet on Tuesday, we will be staying or going, but I think it can go either way at this point.

And apparently twitter is all abuzz now because the Mizzou Lacrosse coach was fired. I have to admit, I don't recall knowing that Mizzou had a Lacrosse team.

They aren't.

There are way WAY too many things that would have to fall into place, most of which are very much opposite of the character of the parties involved, for me to believe this will actually happen.

But if it does, I'm convinced it's because Gary Pinkel's open frustration has the fanbase riled up and the BOC has taken notice. Like I said when I first heard him say it a month or so ago - Gary Pinkel is not one to launch shots across the bow. If he's saying this, he's very VERY angry about it.

And Pinkel holds a hell of a lot of sway right now.

I missed something.

What did Pinkel say?

This. Pinkel tends to keep his anger and frustration behind closed doors, so when it starts to creep into his public comments, I thinks folks definitely sat up and listened.

He said the shape the conference is in is 'embarrassing'. He's said several times something like we have "a great league but there are serious problems with it and everyone knows where those problems are coming from". He's bemoaned the fact that the conference doesn't appear likely to address said 'problems' and commented that it will never stabilize if it doesn't.

Pinkel's flat out calling out Texas and saying that the conference is doomed to instability. His tone of voice in these interviews is that of outward irritation. He's doing everything but say "Fix it or GTFO".

It's been really surprising to hear.

I've been fairly impressed by his candor on this matter. Definitely a step in the right direction.

Hell, next thing you know he might actually start making half time adjustments!

This travel stuff cracks me up.

If there are 12 teams in two divisions BYU and WVU would make the trip once every four years since they'd be in different divisions.

And sitting in a plane an extra hour is not a deal breaker.

I agree that it's not a deal breaker and not nearly as big a deal as some would make out of it, but to be fair, football isn't the only sport that would be affected by the travel issues.

No kidding.

We're talking an hour, maybe 2, in additional travel time on any given weekend.

The travel tripe means nothing.

As he should, he has delivered, and improved that program dramatically. If he could just figure out how to beat the Sooners, there would be no stopping them.

Did it last year.

They just have to keep improving and putting themselves in cyclical positions to be contenders.

ROFL

Say what you will but geographic proximity makes for stronger ties and fiercer rivalries in college ball.

An extra hour on the plane you say? What about the swim teams and lacrosse teams and all the other teams that don't have that kind of air travel budget?

I missed that, kudos to him. Then he lost to the Huskers and TT on the road, but a very good season.

It's no longer about rivalries. It's about going somewhere that seems stable.

As for the other sports travel, they already travel 1000s of miles. I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine that Iowa State women's softball flies to Lubbock every once in a while and vice versa.

So glad I'm B10 where we don't have to say shit like that.
SEC might not agree with it either.

The old rivalries die, but Nebraska moving to the Big 10 and aTm to the SEC doesn't create any great rivalry interest. Colorado to the PAC is really boring. It's money for money's sake.

I was listening to an interesting point on the radio today that said this isn't over. The small guys in the big conferences will feel the heat. That is, why would Northwestern or Miss. State remain parts of those conferences? Tradition is no longer an issue. It's TV contracts that's the end game.

You mean the old Big8 rivalries die and I think that sucks. The rest of the country still has their tradition.
Why wouldn't Northwestern remain B10? Whoever asked that is a dumbass.

Where is Northwestern or Miss. State going to go to get a better TV deal than what they have now?

It was strictly a financial question about small schools in big conferences that aren't successful in athletics, but are protected by being a part of the conference. Would the Big 10 dump Northwestern if they could get Notre Dame? Would the SEC dump Miss. State if they could get Texas?

The point being made was if it's all about TV, why would these conferences bat an eye at dumping irrelevant programs?

The University of Chicago has a standing invite to the Big 10.

You don't think Nebraska/Iowa, Nebraska/OSU could be good?

Oh, I see what you meant. Thanks for clarifying.
I think academics also come into play in B10. Nwestern is a jewel in that regard.

There's no history in those games that matter.

If you are doing all of those quads here is the smarter one:

East
Cincinnati
Louisville
USF
West Virginia

North
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri

West
Air Force
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

South
Baylor
Texas
TCU
Texas Tech

:D Our gpa would go up a little. Doesn't UC have only around 4000 students or so?

If I hear one more time about academics in all of this, I'm going to take a hostage!

Yeah it will take a generation or so before it becomes real. I still con't consider Penn State to be a bona fide B10 school; not by consciuos decision but because that's how it feels.

That may not be the case in your conference but it is a factor for others. B10 is one of them. It isn't the only factor but it is a factor.

Nebraska/Iowa will be a rivarly because of the border and both schools field pretty good teams. Nebraska/OSU, Nebraska/Pen State, Nebraska/Michigan all could become potential rivalries 1. because of history 2. potential success.

You admitted Nebraska! ****ing Nebraska!

LOL, as much as Iowa/Illinois sends ripples across the college football landscape.

LMAO

All B10 are AAU, NU was AAU at the time of admission. Pisses me off they lost it. Interesting how it happened....

After endorsing the University of Nebraska-Lincoln's entrance into the Big Ten Conference -- in part because of its academic strength -- leaders at the universities of Wisconsin and Michigan apparently helped oust UNL from an elite academic group, according to documents reviewed by the Journal Star.

Nebraska failed to garner the 21 votes it needed last April to remain in the Association of American Universities, a confederation of more than 60 top research institutions that collectively nets more than half of all federal research funds and awards more than half of the doctoral degrees in the nation. It was confirmed that UNL fell three votes short.

Emails and letters obtained by the Journal Star after a series of open-records requests indicate that Wisconsin and Michigan did not support UNL during its turbulent and unsuccessful AAU membership review earlier this year....

Read more: http://journalstar.com/news/local/ed...#ixzz1ZNbkAJ8I

Iowa/Nebraska is a match made in heaven.

That's all fine, but it takes really poor performance to be booted from the AAU if you're a standing member. Nebraska knew this was coming. If it was about academics Missouri would be in the Big 10 now. It wasn't about academics at all.

Do you disagree that academics are a factor in the B10s membership decision process, or do you disagree that Nwestern is a jewel in that regard?

Northwestern is a great school. Claiming academics playing a part in this seems rather silly after you guys sought out Nebraska. AAU or not, that school has always been garbage academically.

If it is your position that academics play no part in the B10 school's decision on who to admit the you are either ill-informed or being intentionally obtuse. It makes no difference to me.

If you like you can read some of this story and decide whether academics is a factor in B10.

http://journalstar.com/news/local/ed...#ixzz1ZNbkAJ8I

Garbage?

http://www.arwu.org/Country2009Main....nited%20States

It's certainly no Harvard but I don't think it's an awful school.

Mizzou would have been a better fit but no, Nebraska is no Boise State when it comes to academics.

Your link doesn't work. In either case, Big 10 just invited and accepted Nebraska which is ranked #101 by the US News.

Sorry, the link worked a minute ago. If you want to persist in your folly go right ahead, I'll certainly not stop you.

What folly is that? Did Big 10 not accept Nebraska?

Maybe Missouri is going to the SEC and they're going to kick Iowa State out to make it 12.

:D

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MU people are sure smug.

I don't think that is the case. MU people are tired of the crap, and are excited that the university may finally have its fate in its own hands. Let's just hope they do the right thing.

The tone is, "We're leaving!"

Well good for you. Does Alabama or Georgia or Florida care? Hell no! More money for my existing SEC team? Hell yeah. Who is this Missouri team you talk about? Do they play football?

And not a single shit was given.

Kansas people are adoreable.

Get back out there and practice some free throws kid *tussling Stewie's hair*

At least I can spell adorable. The debate today was, "What has MU ever won and why would the SEC want them?" Oh, stupid money from stupid people.

I am just trying to give you encouragement. You always come in here looking to be jilted. But I can't stop someone from being butthurt.

*squeezes your cute little cheeks*

How about I give you a participation ribbon for being in this thread. Would that turn your frown upside down?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/2...ebd59e0a_m.jpg

This is a thread about conference realignment. So if you have any that pertains to Kansas feel free to post it.

Fesco is usually dreaming some Jayhawk stuff up he may have something.

I think his latest is ku to ACC if Mizzou goes SEC.

Uh oh. Georgia Tech running game.

MU people don't care about whether Alabama or Georgia, or Kansas for that matter think. MU people want MU to do what is best for MU for once. I love how if KU does something in the self-interest, they are doing what is best, but if MU does.....they are being smug.

Why should MU stay if the SEC is a better deal for them?

Any word on Mizzou's impending Big 10 invitation?

Heh, this was funny.

http://infiniteturbo.com/2011/09/28/...uld-head-east/

Now that Texas A&M has left the Big XII, the SEC is looking for it’s next expansion candidate. Would Mizzou be a good fit?


Of course. Huge TV market, good overall AD, great fan base, etc. The only real knock on Missouri has been it’s public affinity for the Big Ten.


Why Mizzou should want to join the SEC rather than continue shamelessly flirting with the Big Ten hoping for an invite:


1. The SEC is a better league. Seems like this should be obvious, but it needs to be said. The Big Ten is certainly a good conference, but they also consistently get their ass kicked when they face the SEC in bowl games. If you have an opportunity to be a part of the best conference in the country, you take it.


2. Academics don’t actually matter in an athletic conference. Missouri, only Texas really uses this excuse, and it is because they are afraid of the competition of the SEC. Don’t give me that AAU shit. Nobody actually cares about fucking research while they watch an 11 AM football game. A&M is an AAU member, too. So is Florida, so is Vanderbilt. You don’t automatically get dumber by hanging out with Texas Tech, do you? It isn’t contagious.


3. The Big Ten kinda fucked you over last time. They really did. Made you look really bad. This would be like being cheated on and then dating the way hotter friend. It’s actually kind of shocking that they convinced you that they were attractive in the first place.


4. The Big Ten loves morning games. Wanna wake up at 8 AM, choke down some bloody marys and watch about 16 pass attempts in 40 degree weather? I sure as shit don’t.


5. I had to google your rivalries. Time for some new ones. Don’t get all worked up at me, I’m on your team here. But, seriously.


6. The Big XII sucks. C’mon. Don’t flip-flop. It sucks. You thought it sucked last year, you know it sucks now.

We'll see how this all turns out in about a week. MU being Oklahoma's bitch for a couple of weeks will tell the tale.

Oklahoma looked really strong last week...

Oklahoma: All of the Big 12 has agreed to give its media rights to the conference.

Missouri: lol wut?

MU may stay, they may go, who knows? If the best deal is to stay in the Big XII, then by all means, Mizzou should stay. If the SEC is a better situation, then Mizzou should go. The Big XII appears to be making a push to keep Mizzou, so we will see how it turns out.

And how is Mizzou OU's bitch? Seems the folks in Norman are UT's bitch, considering the Pac quickly did not want them without the Longhorns.

Let Stewie do his thing. You can't stop someone who is going out of their way to be offended.

Exactly...who knows how it shakes out. But we will take our sweet time and figure out the fine print.

Why? Because **** you that is why.

Let's be perfectly honest; MU could still screw this up. The BOC, Deaton, etc. all still have the opportunity to screw this up. It's getting more and more difficult, but they could still do it.

True, but each passing moment that we don't hear "We are a faithful member of the Big XII conference" or some such drivel is a moment closer we are to leaving.