Notre Dame will not move just to be No. 12 and make the Big Ten a superconference.

If Notre Dame moves to the Big Ten, it will be as the fifth of five teams. They aren't going there unless the superconference movement is happening.

Too much income lost for them to merely be No. 12. The Irish only do it IF they have no other choice.

Has there been a non-KU fan seriously argue that ND is NOT better off as an independent?

You must have missed this article about profits for teams (basketball vs football). Here it is again.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/15/comm...sbiz/index.htm

That left Villanova with only a 38 percent profit margin, a bit below the combined 45 percent profit margin for the 64 tournament teams that report results (Air Force is exempt from reporting).

Together those schools had a combined $330.8 million in revenue during the 2004-05 school year, and $148.3 million in profits, even when including results from the 14 money-losing basketball programs involved in March Madness.

Based on those numbers, basketball is more of a sure money maker for schools than college football -- at least for the schools in the so-called six major conferences.

Really, I don't make stuff up. I swear...

They know they'll be ****ed over, they are looking out for themselves pleading to Nebraska mainly and MU not to leave.

Why wouldn't they? They kept going to Memphis while Calipari was there.

She called them to get on her knees and see if there was something, ANYTHING she could do to convince them to stick around.

Sorry Ms. Gray-Little. We have tickets to the next rodeo. This one is breaking up. We're out. Later.

And Cal was content to stay at a mid-major. Wait.

Where's memphis now? Self will follow that route as well and so will his recruits

Wow, some of you go all out and jump on the short bus just to feel better about yourselves or the team you root for. FFS, of course it would hurt KU to move to the MWC, and the school and fans should be a little scared...... but not to be outdone, in the other corner are Mizzou fans mocking, get this, winning & success... and trying to be superior because their school is closer to St. Louis. Seriously? Get a ****ing grip, people.

From what I've heard, it hinges on what Nebraska does... if they decide to leave, Texas and the little ones are more likely to leave. If Nebraska stays, regardless of what Mizzou does, Texas is more likely to stay and the Big 12 could be the Big 11. I really don't know, as it's all just speculation, of course.... in the long run, it might not matter anyway.

So when the Big 12 disbands and Self leaves, they plan on hiring Cal?

Kansas is on its knees begging NU and MU to stay.

Gotta love that

Nah, I think most MU fans are mocking the rampant basketball-centricism of many KU fans.

On the KU boards 90% of my posts are on football.

Basketball is just a nice little gem that some of us keep in our back pocket.

I actually find the KU fan and KU football fan to be completely different, which I'd expect is true of the MU football vs MU basketball fan.

So...Big 14

Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Colorado
Colorado St
Iowa St
Wyoming
UNLV
TCU
BYU
New Mexico
San Diego State
Utah

Nah, we'll poach Frank Martin then.

:spock:

For us, they're the same people.

Oklahoma, Okie State and Colorado will be in the PAC-10. If its Big 14 time it will be this:

Air Force
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
New Mexico
TCU

Boise State
BYU
Colorado State
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

This data is 5 years old. It is so out of date the program in this article that makes the most $ is U of A basketball which is now making about nothing if not losing $.
Let's see the current revenue$ numbers of football and basketball side by side, conference by conference.
If data age makes no difference I can prove to you why the Model T is the most profitable car to produce.

You mean all of them, or just Lew?

Whacky! I can't wait for those Big Mondays in Vegas. That shit's gonna be sick.

You're absolutely delusional (if serious) if you think the MWC is going to command a big Monday basketball game in the new landscape.

I forgot about Air Force

Whacky! I can't wait for those Big Mondays in Vegas. That shit's gonna be sick.

It'll start at midnight eastern, so why not...

:deevee:

Uhhhh....this.....

Here is something that was posted over at phog.net. I don't vouch for the validity of it.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=6010537

Total AD Revenue v Football Revenue last year

School.....................Football Revenue...............Total Athletic Department Revenue

Notre Dame....................$56,929,397............... ................$81,088,368



Big 12 Schools 2008-2009 revenue........................................... ................................

School.....................Football Revenue...............Total Athletic Department Revenue

Texas.......................$87,583,986........... ............................$138,459,149

Oklahoma.................$42,638,431.............. ..........................$81,487,835

Nebraska................. $55,226,605....................................... ..$74,881,383

Texas A&M............... $38,358,422....................................... ..$72,886,100

Oklahoma State........$26,536,625.......................... ...............$71,805,825

Kansas.................... $17,676,175....................................... .$70,614,953

Missouri...................$24,141,873............ ............................$57,778,668

Colorado................. $27,827,286....................................... ..$49,859,693

Baylor.....................$11,896,723............ ............................ $48,545,254

Kansas State............ $21,378,813....................................... .$47,399,903

Texas Tech...............$23,581,188.................... .....................$46,632,263

Iowa State...............$21,261,439................... ......................$45,813,189




PAC 10 Schools 2008-2009 revenue........................................... ..........................................


School.......................Football Revenue................Athletic Department Revenue

Southern Cal...................$35,203,483................. ...............$80,151,282

Stanford.........................$14,178,256...... ..........................$74,695,254

California...................... $27,747,396................................$73,354 ,967

UCLA.............................$26,640,759...... ..........................$66,177,866

Washington.....................$34,177,030........ .......................$60,575,780

Oregon...........................$24,789,755...... .........................$60,283,512

Arizona State................. $29,857,334................................$53,297 ,963

Arizona......................... $20,927,253................................$51,822 ,629

Oregon State.................. $30,874,059.............................. $50,211,404

Washington State.............$11,415,496..................... ..........$38,293,754



SEC Schools 2008-2009 revenue........................................... ................................


School.....................Football Revenue...............Total Athletic Department Revenue

Florida....................$66,150,063............ .......................$108,309,060

Alabama.................$64,606,392............... ....................$103,934,873

LSU.........................$61,868,953........... ......................$100,077,884

Tennessee...............$42,805,360............... ...................$92,524,125

Auburn....................$58,618,819............. .....................$87,001,416

Georgia....................$65,218,406............ .....................$81,496,357

South Carolina..........$57,118,519..................... .............$76,254,236

Kentucky...................$26,143,126............ .....................$72,057,751

Arkansas...................$38,630,265............ .....................$63,978,641

Vanderbilt..................$18,564,940........... .....................$45,582,274

Ole Miss.....................$18,688,648.............. .................$41,318,068

Miss State...................$18,732,248............... ...............$36,536,152


Big 10 Schools 2008-2009 revenue........................................... ..........................................


School.......................Football Revenue................Athletic Department Revenue

Ohio State...................$68,196,195............... ..............$119,859,607

Penn State...................$61,767,717............... .............$95,978,243

Michigan.....................$52,246,025.......... ...................$95,193,030

Wisconsin....................$40,005,517.......... ..................$89,842,749

Iowa............................$38,896,234....... .....................$79,521,143

Michigan State.............$43,506,725..................... ........$75,624,811

Minnesota....................$25,594,942.......... ...................$70,322,992

Indiana.........................$20,836,473....... ....................$60,615,528

Purdue.........................$18,320,608........ ....................$59,919,102

Illinois..........................$25,710,645..... ......................$55,609,086

Northwestern...............$23,951,794............ .................$48,582,384



ACC Schools 2008-2009 revenue........................................... ......................

School.........................Football Revenue...............Total Athletic Department Revenue

Florida State......................$24,877,536............ .....................$74,417,324

Duke...............................$9,029,583..... ................................$71,072,431

UNC.................................$24,163,760... ...............................$70,152,767

Virginia............................$20,210,563... ................................$67,141,170

Boston College...................$20,711,067............. .....................$64,157,876

Miami...............................$27,155,010... ..............................$61,969,808

Clemson.......................... $35,205,168..................................$60,1 67,535

Maryland..........................$13,980,823..... ..............................$59,966,862

Virginia Tech.....................$27,749,586.............. .................... $52,838,905

Georgia Tech.................... $22,830,766..................................$48,0 61,053

NC State.......................... $21,772,446..................................$46,4 91,105

Wake Forest..................... $10,346,081...................................$44, 649,063

You think being in the Big XII has anything to do with KU being on national TV? Wow. I know it sucks being a MUron but, just wow.

Thanks Plow, that data appears to be more current though as you say we don't have verification of data validity.
I just can't picture how bball could make more $ than fball.

Another post in that thread......

I'm talking specifically about the Big 12's Big Monday contract with ESPN. ku dominates that TV slot, and it won't be accessible to them if they aren't in the Big 12.

Look at Memphis. They do OK in the non-conference season on TV, but as soon as they hit the CUSA, their TV coverage drops off the map. If ku is in the MWC, they'll still get good coverage in the pre-conference season when they're playing good teams.

And that MWC lineup isn't exactly going to compare well with what the major conferences bring to the table for national broadcasters... if ku ends up in the MWC, no matter how you slice it, the national TV profile and the opportunities to be on national TV are going to decrease.

You're :homer:ing if you don't see that.

I see many schools where the basketball revenue is a much bigger contribution than football.

Do you have the Big East numbers too from this link? Let's look at those

Post them?

What would you think of KU attempting to go independent in basketball ala Notre Dame football?

There isn't close to the national "affection" (for lack of a better word) for Kansas basketball. Hell, though a great program, it ranks behind UNC, Duke, and maybe even Kentucky in this regard.

No chance that a CBS is handing KU a sweetheart TV deal because there frankly isn't the demand nationwide.

Which schools are those? Or are you assuming the difference between football revenue and total athletic dept. revenue = basketball revenue?
Considering the majority of the US would sign off on eliminating college hoops completely if it meant saving college football I don't see how anyone can think bball makes more $ than fball.

I never ****ed anyone that told me they had a boyfriend. Didn't need the drama.

Now, if she was a liar as well as a whore, then yeah, it could well have been her.

Well from that list posted it would appear the following schools make more money playing basketball over football:

Kansas

maybe Missouri

Stanford? where's all that money coming from?

Kentucky

Indiana

Purdue?

Duke

North Carolina

Virginia?

Maryland

Boston College?

Again, let's see the numbers from the Big East...

I think what college basketball earns is tremendously underestimated on this board.

Nah it wouldn't be a deal like NBC.

I was thinking more like CBS college or FSN... Or maybe a new player like TNT. Who knows. I'm sure you can sell it though.

I agree with KU ranking 4th behind those schools. But I KNOW that those 4 schools could get a nightly TV deal with a network if they were independent.

What else are people gonna watch during cold winter nights?

total revenue - football revenue = bball revenue? Is that what you are reading? And btw you just named the only bball-first schools in the country.Now name the rest.

Stop right there; you're wrong.

$17,676,175 = KU football.
$15M and some change = KU basketball.

Even the mighty KU basketball bows to the football program. Look back a few posts, as Plow posted this info. You can't just subtract football from the total budget and assume the rest is basketball.

All that list contains is football and overall... basketball is the only thing accounting for the rest of that revenue (if it was just football vs.. basketball, it would be labeled that way).

Donations are included in those revenue reports. Schools that had major renovation projects during those years are going to place extremely well.

I agree 100% that CFB is more popular than CBB. Shoot, even I like football more. But that doesn't mean it's more profitable.

I'm well aware that huge football schools like Texas, OSU, the SEC all make more with their football teams. I also realize that football is what drives these huge conf TV deals being that per game football gets many more viewers than basketball.

But when you combine the fact that CBB is 300 teams. Plays many more games. Has a HUGE cash cow in the Mach Madness tournament. Less facilities, travel needs, player expenses, scholarships...then yes, overall it earns more for American Universities collectively than football.

Problem with bball is that it's revenue is MAXED OUT with the tourney. It's gone as far as it can go. And if CFB ever forms a playoff the same thing will happen. Not a bad thing just that eventually there will be a limit to what these "amateur sports" make. Realignment will increase revenue for schools with TV deals, I agree and that's why footballs' driving it.

It's just naive to believe that CBB is a speck on the surface of CFB because it's not.

ROFL Though I do pride myself in keeping in shape, this door only swings one way.

I'm not simply subtracting. Yes I'm making guestimations but when you look at the schools I listed they have HUGE separation between football and overall revenue.

Where's that coming from? tennis??

It's obviously CBB.

Do you guys not fill out office pools or something? Why are you pretending basketball doesn't exist?

Let's see the Big East list.

I respect your consistency and admire your sticking to your guns in the face of evidence to the contrary.
I used to love college hoops back in the day. As a kid I would go see Iowa play in the old Field House, feel the place shake as our coach Lute Olson battled Bob Knight, Jud Heathcote, Lou Henson, Gene Keady, etc.
At halftime you could go behind the bleachers and shoot hoops on the practice court.
Recently I'm not so into it because of the transient nature of the players and the resultant way some teams have changed how the game is played but I still have soft spot for it and commend you on the way you defend the game.

Yeah, damn right!

(thanks for keeping it on the down low kepp, just like you promised;))

It's coming from donations, general budget allocations from universities, NCAA disbursements, etc. And yes, college basketball is the second-biggest money-maker... but it's clearly and distinctly No. 2.

If it wasn't, college hoops would be driving expansion.

It's certainly not all coming from basketball.

And in honor of this, we're marching on Lawrence tonight!

CBS and TNT just paid $10.8 billion, that's billion with a "B" to broadcast the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. The game doesn't need defending.

Actually, its more like that huge, over-packed wallet that tips you over to one side.

Are you disregarding the specific numbers I've just listed for KU? Football makes more money than basketball at KU. Fact.

You didn't read my post. College basketball is making all it can.

College football isn't. There is more to be made based on cable television subscriptions. More people watch 11 games a year then they do 36 games per capita.

Getting the TV networks into cable subscriptions that's what it is. Why is this so hard to get?

MU is being invited for cable subscribers, not football. We've been over this.

MU is getting helped because of people living in Missouri. Many of which couldn't care less about the Tigers.

Just got this piece of news from the SEC office — the revenue distribution for the 2009-10 fiscal year. It will make every conference save the Big Ten jealous … or depressed.

Total: $209 million.

According to the league, that’s the highest total in SEC history and represents a 57.7 percent increase from the $132.5 million distributed in 2008-2009.

Average per school: $17.3 million.

That’s about double (maybe a bit more than double) what the Pac-10 distributes to its schools and does not include what the schools generate from their local media deals.


Football TV: $109.5 million.

(Big 12 is in the $60 million range, I believe, while the Pac-10 in the 40s.)

Bowls: $26.5 million.

Football championship game: $14.5 million.

(You can see why Pac-10 commish Larry Scott is looking into a title game of his own.)

Basketball TV: $30 million

SEC tournament: $5 million

NCAA tournament: $23.5 million.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/college...fallen-behind/

I think you can consider yourself disregarded.

No shit.

This is an amazing display in the face of irrefutable evidence. But, but, but...

I don't know what those numbers are?

Are they after expenses?

Is that gross or net?

It's actually a lot like the ku fans that were calling in to 810 this afternoon:

"But our basketball program is top 5..."
"I can't fathom that we'd be left out with our basketball program..."
etc, etc, etc

dude.

I'm Ron Burgandy?

Ah, you were in the plush, upscale dorm. I was in Freddy...the ghetto. But we had a lot of fun there.

There were alot of those on 610 not understanding how this shit is working. Atleast the KU fans on here know wtf the deal is, $$$ period. "we got basketball" doesn't mean shit in this instance.

Over 14 years. To be split by ALL schools that identify as D-I basketball schools (there are over 300). Even with 100 percent PURE profit, that deal chips in a mere $2.5 million a year/team (on average).

10.8 billion is a nice number. But you have to put it into context to really understand it.

I "get it." I've "gotten it" for a long time.

I was at the forefront of people on this board talking about Big 10 expansion. I've been stumping from the beginning that this is a deal strictly about demographics and cable TV sets.

LMAO. That's the sound of me ending this conversation.

Just a friendly reminder from big brother, we need it on every single discussion possible regarding anything that has to do with the 2 schools

I think it only goes to participants in the tourney each year and conferences running on some 6 year cycle or something.

Where did you read it goes to all 300 teams equally?

from wikipedia

Revenues

The Division I Men's Basketball tournament is the only NCAA championship tournament (officially, the BCS Football Championship is not an NCAA event) where the NCAA does not keep the profits. Instead, the money from the multi-billion-dollar television contract is divided among the Division I basketball playing schools and conferences as follows:[16]
1/6 of the money goes directly to the schools based on how many sports they play (one "share" for each sport starting with 14, which is the minimum needed for Division I membership).
1/3 of the money goes directly to the schools based on how many scholarships they give out (one share for each of the first 50, two for each of the next 50, ten for each of the next 50, and 20 for each scholarship above 150).
1/2 of the money goes to the conferences based on how well they did in the six previous men's basketball tournaments (counting each year separately, one share for each team getting in, and one share for each win except in the Final Four and, prior to the 2008 tournament, the Play-in game). In 2007, based on the 2001 through 2006 tournaments, the Big East received over $14.85 million, while the eight conferences that did not win a first-round game in those six years received slightly more than $1 million each.[17]

I didn't say it was split evenly. The pie is distributed throughout the NCAA. Everyone sees a piece of it.

I used the $2.5 million figure to show just how small the pie can be when you break it down on a more per-school basis. I know the splits aren't even. I wasn't about to sit here and figure 1/6 here, 1/3, 1/2 and all the other figures. The key thing is that... $10.8 billion is a huge figure. But it gets a lot smaller once you get subtract the costs from it, break it up over 14 years, and start thinking about how the money is actually divided.

I thought Wells was the ghetto. I don't recall them having air conditioning.

And of course, 2 of my best friends to this day lived in Wells, and I owned most of the west wing of the 2nd floor, and dabbled a bit on the west wing of the 4th floor (Wells alternated floors with gender - Males on odd floors, females on evens.)

My best work was once I moved into the house.

So a buddy of mine from STL calls the summer between Fresh/Soph year and says he's moving to Springfield. Not taking classes, but wants to be near his aging grandparents, who lived out near Bolivar.

His grandparents rents this house, and he invites me to share the place with him. 2 young guys in a nice, 3 bedroom place just off campus with hardwood floors - perfect for the single life.

We're watching a ballgame the first Thursday night of the Fall semester when the doorbell rings. No one knows my friend here, none of my friends knew the address yet. We're wondering who the **** is at the door at 9:30pm on a Thursday.

A dude and 5 chicks.

I answer the door:

"Uh, yeah, can I help you?"

One of the girls: "Uh, is Dan here?"

Me: "No one named Dan lives here. We just moved in."

*uncomfortable silence*

Other girl: "Oh, that sucks. We're freshmen and were told that Dan throws parties here every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night."

Me: "Give me a sec, I'll be right back."

It took all of a nanosecond for my roommate and I to invite them in.

Without telling a SOUL, 40 people showed the following night.

Close to 60 on Saturday.

There wasn't a Thursday-Saturday night the rest of the year we didn't have at least 30 people at our place.

I have no idea who the **** Dan was, but I'd love to buy him a beer, because he's partially responsible for the amount of sweet young ass I probably never would have met had his house not been a hotspot the year before.

Yeah, majoring in booze and minoring in women (possibly reversed) ruined my early college career. But I honestly wouldn't change it now if I could. SMSU was two of the best years of my life.

Sorry to interrupt the constant, pointless bickering in this thread, carry on.

http://www.kstatesports.com//ViewArt...CLID=204957209

Regents Affirm Joint Commitment to Big 12
Released 06/07/2010 by Kansas State University

TOPEKA, Kan. - Recognizing the success of Kansas State University (K-State) and the University of Kansas (KU) within the Big 12 Conference, Board of Regents' Chair Jill Docking, of Wichita, and Board of Regents' Vice Chair Gary Sherrer, of Overland Park, today issued the following joint statement:

"We are unwavering in our belief that the best course for K-State and KU is continued joint affiliation in the Big 12. The intra-conference rivalry between the Jayhawks and Wildcats is exciting for athletics fans both within the Sunflower state and nationwide. In addition, joint affiliation in the Big 12 fosters invaluable cooperation between our two universities when it comes to serving the academic needs of Kansans and the economic development needs of the state. Chancellor Gray-Little and President Schulz will continue to keep us apprised as Conference-related discussions continue, and we know our fellow Regents support their ongoing joint efforts to sustain and advance the Big 12."

The nine-member Kansas Board of Regents is the governing board of the state's six universities and the statewide coordinating board for the state's 32 public higher education institutions (seven public universities, nineteen community colleges, and six technical colleges). In addition, the Board administers the state's student financial aid, adult education, GED, and career and technical education programs. The Board also authorizes private proprietary schools and out-of-state institutions to operate in Kansas, and administers the Kan-ed network, a statewide network that provides broadband Internet access and distance learning capabilities for schools, hospitals, and libraries.

K-State: Anchoring the state of Kansas.

Laz is gonna flip his lid...lol

The Deal is Done:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/sh...d=1144&style=2

Well, we know a couple members have boarded Beebe's plane. Who else is gonna board before takeoff?

That would be incredible. This needs to happen.

Okay gang...

FWIW, this was just posted on our local radio show's facebook page:

Unsportsmanlike Conduct would like to alert everyone that Joe Schad is reporting that Notre Dame is "not budging" in their interest (or lack thereof) in the Big 10 Conference.

I wonder how any "news flash" false alarms there are going to be?

I hear that the Big 10 is now looking for houses in Leawood.