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PHOG 07-27-2023 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17033037)
Yes, I think taking a DPOY candidate off the defense, in the current AFC landscape, makes them non superbowl contenders. Pat and the offense may go nuclear and win a playoff game or two I supposed, but they can't win the SB with the defense minus Jones.

Had they done it pre draft and FA, sure, they could have filled some spots.

Not now.
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O.city 07-27-2023 03:17 PM
I'm not trying to be DD here. But yeah, the Chiefs needed CJ to play well last year and got thru the playoffs and SB.

I don't think it's groundbreaking to say the Chiefs would be worse without one of the 10 best football players currently in the league.

PHOG 07-27-2023 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17033043)
I'm not trying to be DD here. But yeah, the Chiefs needed CJ to play well last year and got thru the playoffs and SB.

I don't think it's groundbreaking to say the Chiefs would be worse without one of the 10 best football players currently in the league.
I hear you. But I also think they'll (Chiefs) be better with Mahomes on 2 good feet.

RunKC 07-27-2023 03:20 PM
The Chiefs had 2 guys outside of Chris Jones on the DL capable of getting 7 or more sacks: Mike Danna and George Karlaftis.

I think Omenihu is another one and FAU will get at least 5. So this year instead of 2 it's 3, maybe 4 depending on how FAU adjusts to the pro game.

Say what you want but last years DL did not have good depth. Frank was...Frank, Karlaftis was a rookie figuring shit out and Dunlap was a nice reserve role player but not really an impact guy.

O.city 07-27-2023 03:22 PM
If you take Jones away from that group, it's gonna hurt those guys as well.

O.city 07-27-2023 03:24 PM
I'm not even against potentially trading him. History shows 3rd contracts for defensive guys can be dicey.

It's the timing. It's to late to do it this year for multiple reasons. Look at the Raiders and Khalil Mack a few years ago. You don't know for sure what you're even getting back.

Mecca 07-27-2023 03:25 PM
They could win the SB without him, the offense would have to continue to be elite and you're talking about Omenihu playing a lot of DT and trying to salvage at late DT sign like Shelby Harris.

O.city 07-27-2023 03:28 PM
You'd need the 2018 offense to pull that off.

Mecca 07-27-2023 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17033065)
You'd need the 2018 offense to pull that off.
This defense even without Jones is better than that defense.

The Chiefs are a potential top 10 defense this year, 1 player would not drop them to like 28th, especially if Gervon Dexter came back because there's a lot of upside there.

O.city 07-27-2023 03:31 PM
Yes, rookie 2nd round DT's typically really take off as rookies.

O.city 07-27-2023 03:33 PM
They could get thru the year, probably win the west and make the playoffs.

They aren't gonna go thru the playoffs with no Jones against who they'll have to beat with the current DL they'd have without him.

Wilson8 07-27-2023 03:36 PM
I at first thought this was just a way of getting more Chiefs stories in the media but now I think it is a serious difference between what Chiefs can pay and what Chris Jones wants.

New contract or not, Chris Jones will play this year. He will never make up that $19M money if he sits out the season.

IowaHawkeyeChief 07-27-2023 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17032604)
I know none of us want to do this, but............

Say the Bears, who have the most cap space in the NFL, call us up.

They offer us a deal.

Bears get:
  • DT Chris Jones
Chiefs get:
  • the lower 2024 1st round pick (Bears control their own pick and Carolina's)
  • DT Gervon Dexter
  • 2024 3rd round pick
  • 2025 5th round pick

That's about in line with what the Dolphins gave up for Tyreek. The 1st round pick will be higher, Dexter is an actual player rather than a hypothetical 2nd round pick that the Dolphins gave us, and a 3rd + a future 5th = the Dolphins' two fourths. Dolphins gave us an additional 6th that I'm not including here.

Who takes the deal?
We'd be insane not to take that deal if Chris is holding firm to $31m a year...

IowaHawkeyeChief 07-27-2023 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17032655)
That's the type of trade it would have to be right now. I don't know that you could convince KC to make this type of move, since Dexter is completely unproven at the NFL level.

Carolina is a team I could also see making sense here, if they would be willing to move Derrick Brown AND KC felt like he was a good enough centerpiece to get back.

Brown isn't Jones, obviously, but he's established at least a solid level of play.

It's just so complicated for the teams making the deal, I don't see how it gets done. They have to have the cap space, and the ability to send something valuable at DT back to KC, and have picks likely to be worthy of it.
As I said in my other posts, I make the Trade, but I don't think Jones would bring a 1st with his Salary demands and age. I think the Chiefs have more leverage than many think. I think we end up signing him for $27-28 mil, for 4 years with a 5th year option of $34-36 to push the average up and we guarantee about $72 mil.

Mecca 07-27-2023 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17033072)
They could get thru the year, probably win the west and make the playoffs.

They aren't gonna go thru the playoffs with no Jones against who they'll have to beat with the current DL they'd have without him.
You're overrating Jones a bit as a player...the only player not being here that would ruin us is Mahomes.


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