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rfaulk34 06-18-2023 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986044)
Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract. LMAO

Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

Pablo 06-18-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986035)
You're right. I'm sure Pat could have avoided Aaron Donald blowing past the oline and getting on his blind side in 2 seconds.

Pat identifies Donald and watches him shred his dude, then drifts back and to the right before he closes that ground throwing an off-platform bomb to the streaking Chase. High IQ players do high IQ things.

Your wunderkind coach could have ran the ball on 4th and a foot also. Hell Pat would have picked that up on the ground with an obliterated ankle.

Punwit 06-18-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986042)
I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986042)
I don't think it comes down to the receiving corps. I think it's how well each one is protected. We've both seen our teams fail when the line can't hold up, regardless of who is running routes. Pat has taken good advantage of his line and gotten the job done. I'm hoping the Bengals can protect better and give Joe the chance to succeed or fail in those moments on his abilities.

Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

Pablo 06-18-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986044)
Did we? Let me guess….the modern era is less important in basketball?

I’m loving seeing Calimari run that program into the ground, btw. Lifetime contract. LMAO

Rupp Rafters is great, great reading if you're so inclined.

LIFETIME??

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Punwit 06-18-2023 03:55 PM

Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986047)
Neither is less important. And you are a mean sonofabitch!

Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986051)
I think you sidestepped my question. Do you not believe that the Bengals have one of, if not the best, receiving corps in the NFL. You don't think it's an advantage for your team?

Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986052)
Wrong. Mahomes has been good with poor protection too. Even in the SB vs Tampa, with the worst OL in playoff history, he was making incredible plays left and right. Unfortunately his receivers were dropping TD passes that hit their facemasks.

Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

Punwit 06-18-2023 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986070)
Of course they do. I get where your aim was. You're not going to agree that Burrow could have done what Mahomes did on that team so that's why i answered the way i did.

It's not always as black and white as your question implied. I posted some time ago what Burrows stats were when the line was protecting him last year, before all the injuries set in. He was clearly QB1 in that stretch.

Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986058)
Also do you believe Pat and Joe are equally talented at evading pressure?

No. Pat's more elusive and quicker.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16986059)
Mean for laughing at Kentucky’s misfortune? That fanbase has talked relentless shit on KU for years. There are probably three KU threads on the first page of Rupp Rafters as we speak.

Never been there. UK fans, from south of where i live in KY are nuts.

rfaulk34 06-18-2023 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Punwit (Post 16986079)
Which distinction one would expect from a QB with arguably the best receiving corps in the NFL, no?

Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

Punwit 06-18-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986096)
Sure. Best receiving corps + protection = elite.

And sure, Pat would do just as well if not better in those circumstances. I've never argued that Burrow was better. Not seriously, at least with where we sit right now.

That was my point. This thread started because Chase said something dumb. Pat is a unicorn and Joe is a good, maybe great, QB but he isn't Pat. Pat would improve ANY team he is added to and that includes the Bengals. Now the amount of improvement may be less on the Bengals than any other team (not my argument right now) but he is a unicorn.

RaidersOftheCellar 06-18-2023 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 16986076)
Not going down the 'excuses rabbit hole'.

The point isn’t to make excuses. The point is that Mahomes can still produce at a really high level despite poor protection. The only piece of evidence to the contrary is a game vs a loaded team in which his receivers dropped three TD passes that hit either their hands or facemask. Is he supposed to catch the ball too?

His line was poor for much of 2020 and he still went 14-1, put up great numbers and went to the SB. Hell, his tackles weren’t even very good last year. He (and Reid) just made them look much better than they are. You’ll find that out soon enough.


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