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htismaqe 05-08-2023 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by unBelizable (Post 16937309)
You don’t get a potential WR1 on a cheap contract for a 3rd without some risk.

Of course not. That's not what I'm saying.

We got a POTENTIAL #1 for next to nothing.

Now it's time for him to actually realize that potential. The risk here isn't the trade - it was always low-to-no risk.

The risk now is depending on him for 17+ games. And you have to admit, it's a big risk.

RealSNR 05-08-2023 09:07 AM

Is there an example of an NFL player who "learned" how to protect his body better against these pulls and strains on his muscles and ligaments?

The only example I can think of is Keenan Allen, who ended up having a nice streak of 4, 5, 6 years or whatever of healthy play after constantly getting dinged up initially, but I think those injuries were more freak accidents and less about his sharp quick turns as a tall WR putting stress on his hamstrings and such. I don't think the situations are really comparable.

It may just be that he's Percy Harvin for us. When he's here, then great, we've got a killer playmaker. When he's not, we're just going to have to know how to win without him, because there will probably be several games and weeks when he's not in the lineup. Which... yeah, that can be frustrating, but for a 3rd round pick? I'll put up with that shit. I think most NFL teams would. Except the dumbass Giants.

htismaqe 05-08-2023 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16937320)
Is there an example of an NFL player who "learned" how to protect his body better against these pulls and strains on his muscles and ligaments?

The only example I can think of is Keenan Allen, who ended up having a nice streak of 4, 5, 6 years or whatever of healthy play after constantly getting dinged up initially, but I think those injuries were more freak accidents and less about his sharp quick turns as a tall WR putting stress on his hamstrings and such. I don't think the situations are really comparable.

It may just be that he's Percy Harvin for us. When he's here, then great, we've got a killer playmaker. When he's not, we're just going to have to know how to win without him, because there will probably be several games and weeks when he's not in the lineup. Which... yeah, that can be frustrating, but for a 3rd round pick? I'll put up with that shit. I think most NFL teams would. Except the dumbass Giants.

Yep.

Dunerdr 05-08-2023 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16937320)
Is there an example of an NFL player who "learned" how to protect his body better against these pulls and strains on his muscles and ligaments?

The only example I can think of is Keenan Allen, who ended up having a nice streak of 4, 5, 6 years or whatever of healthy play after constantly getting dinged up initially, but I think those injuries were more freak accidents and less about his sharp quick turns as a tall WR putting stress on his hamstrings and such. I don't think the situations are really comparable.

It may just be that he's Percy Harvin for us. When he's here, then great, we've got a killer playmaker. When he's not, we're just going to have to know how to win without him, because there will probably be several games and weeks when he's not in the lineup. Which... yeah, that can be frustrating, but for a 3rd round pick? I'll put up with that shit. I think most NFL teams would. Except the dumbass Giants.

It's been Hammy's every time hasn't it? You would think pliability and strength training could lessen the issues. Maybe hes been skipping the stretches to work on his album.

InvinciBill 05-08-2023 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unBelizable (Post 16937309)
You don’t get a potential WR1 on a cheap contract for a 3rd without some risk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16937313)
Of course not. That's not what I'm saying.

We got a POTENTIAL #1 for next to nothing.

Now it's time for him to actually reaBelize that potential. The risk here isn't the trade - it was always low-to-no risk.

The risk now is depending on him for 17+ games. And you have to admit, it's a big risk.

fyp

O.city 05-08-2023 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16937320)
Is there an example of an NFL player who "learned" how to protect his body better against these pulls and strains on his muscles and ligaments?

The only example I can think of is Keenan Allen, who ended up having a nice streak of 4, 5, 6 years or whatever of healthy play after constantly getting dinged up initially, but I think those injuries were more freak accidents and less about his sharp quick turns as a tall WR putting stress on his hamstrings and such. I don't think the situations are really comparable.

It may just be that he's Percy Harvin for us. When he's here, then great, we've got a killer playmaker. When he's not, we're just going to have to know how to win without him, because there will probably be several games and weeks when he's not in the lineup. Which... yeah, that can be frustrating, but for a 3rd round pick? I'll put up with that shit. I think most NFL teams would. Except the dumbass Giants.

I think the Percy Harvin comparison is pretty spot on. Injured guys just seem to stay injured.

BossChief 05-08-2023 09:32 AM

I’m sure they have the ideal training schedule in place for Toney to help with his soft tissue stuff. As long as he’s healthy in January/February we’re adding to that trophy case.

BossChief 05-08-2023 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16937320)
Is there an example of an NFL player who "learned" how to protect his body better against these pulls and strains on his muscles and ligaments?

The only example I can think of is Keenan Allen, who ended up having a nice streak of 4, 5, 6 years or whatever of healthy play after constantly getting dinged up initially, but I think those injuries were more freak accidents and less about his sharp quick turns as a tall WR putting stress on his hamstrings and such. I don't think the situations are really comparable.

It may just be that he's Percy Harvin for us. When he's here, then great, we've got a killer playmaker. When he's not, we're just going to have to know how to win without him, because there will probably be several games and weeks when he's not in the lineup. Which... yeah, that can be frustrating, but for a 3rd round pick? I'll put up with that shit. I think most NFL teams would. Except the dumbass Giants.

Yeah. I’ve been calling him Percy Harvin since we got him. It’s the easiest and most accurate comp.

JPH83 05-08-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16937331)
It's been Hammy's every time hasn't it? You would think pliability and strength training could lessen the issues. Maybe hes been skipping the stretches to work on his album.

Hammies can be a real bugger, some guys are just wired tight and it's not that easy to resolve. We're going to have to take the rough with the smooth. Definitely worth the trade

Skyy God 05-08-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16937313)
Of course not. That's not what I'm saying.

We got a POTENTIAL #1 for next to nothing.

Now it's time for him to actually realize that potential. The risk here isn't the trade - it was always low-to-no risk.

The risk now is depending on him for 17+ games. And you have to admit, it's a big risk.

3rds are Lucas Niang, Nnadi, etc.

Very low risk, high reward move. Not really arguing much, tho.

Plus already helped us win a SB.

AdolfOliverBush 05-08-2023 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 16937378)
Hammies can be a real bugger, some guys are just wired tight and it's not that easy to resolve. We're going to have to take the rough with the smooth. Definitely worth the trade

I gotta think if Van Damme can do this, more could be done to reduce Toney's hamstring issues.

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Iconic 05-08-2023 10:36 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs view Kadarius Toney as their next potential No. 1 receiver, the do-it-all weapon who stretches the field and attracts double coverage. <a href="https://t.co/KgjUPot4Wl">https://t.co/KgjUPot4Wl</a></p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1655365406377275393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
idc if this is a repost and im not checking. but **** yea i like the faith we got in him, it's reassuring.

Skyy God 05-08-2023 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16937436)
I gotta think if Van Damme can do this, more could be done to reduce Toney's hamstring issues.

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He needs to do yoga.

Had a stretching contest yesterday (pool party) and I was way more flexible than my friends.

Yoga is the way.

AdolfOliverBush 05-08-2023 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by unBelizable (Post 16937456)
He needs to do yoga.

Had a stretching contest yesterday (pool party) and I was way more flexible than my friends.

Yoga is the way.

For extra motivation, the Chiefs training staff could tell him that the ability to suck his own dick is a real possibility.

Skyy God 05-08-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16937460)
For extra motivation, the Chiefs training staff could tell him that the ability to suck his own dick is a real possibility.

Those guys usually have to remove ribs.


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