Originally Posted by Shag (Post 17413164)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes plays better than anyone<br><br>✅ in the playoffs<br>✅ playing from behind <br>✅ in the clutch<br>✅ on 3rd or 4th down<br><br>Flat out, he delivers when you need him to, better than anyone in the history of the game. <a href="https://t.co/FqcTZcmeSV">pic.twitter.com/FqcTZcmeSV</a></p>&mdash; coop (@LocalLegendCoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/LocalLegendCoop/status/1758601747436589174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The highest-graded QB throughout the 2023 playoffs 💥 <a href="https://t.co/oXcsnCeYXB">pic.twitter.com/oXcsnCeYXB</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1757862809352724490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most playoff games with a 90+ QBR since 2006 (how many came in a title game)<br><br>1. Patrick Mahomes - 7 (3)<br>2. Josh Allen - 3 (0)<br>2. Peyton Manning - 3 (1)<br>2. Tom Brady - 3 (0)<br>5. Colin Kaepernick - 2 (1)<br>5. Kurt Warner - 2 (1)<br>5. Russell Wilson - 2 (1)<br>5. Drew Brees - 2 (0)</p>&mdash; Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1759291206398304306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 17413176)

According to next gen stats, last year’s Chiefs team was the 19th best KC team of all time. Yet we won SB. This year’s team was the 28th best team. So there have been 27 KC Chiefs team since 1960 that were statistically better overall. Yet we won the SB. Why? We have the best QB in the NFL and it isn’t close.

You can say you’d rather have Burrow. Hell, you might even convince yourself that you believe it. But 31 GMs and 31 coaches in the NFL would take Patrick Mahomes over what they have now. It’s not even close.

Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 17413176)

According to next gen stats, last year’s Chiefs team was the 19th best KC team of all time. Yet we won SB. This year’s team was the 28th best team. So there have been 27 KC Chiefs team since 1960 that were statistically better overall. Yet we won the SB. Why? We have the best QB in the NFL and it isn’t close.

You can say you’d rather have Burrow. Hell, you might even convince yourself that you believe it. But 31 GMs and 31 coaches in the NFL would take Patrick Mahomes over what they have now. It’s not even close.

Another interesting statistic: in the last 50 years, 26 QBs have lost their first trip to the SB, including Burrow. Guess how many went on to ever win the SB? 1. John Elway. No other QB has gone on to win the SB after losing their first time.

You also have only 2 more years under the 5 year rule. Josh Allen is already outside the 5 year rule window. Be interesting to see whether Burrow can validate that rule or prove the exception. He first has to stay healthy enough though. And so far he has not done a great job of staying healthy.

Originally Posted by Shag (Post 17413164)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patrick Mahomes plays better than anyone<br><br>✅ in the playoffs<br>✅ playing from behind <br>✅ in the clutch<br>✅ on 3rd or 4th down<br><br>Flat out, he delivers when you need him to, better than anyone in the history of the game. <a href="https://t.co/FqcTZcmeSV">pic.twitter.com/FqcTZcmeSV</a></p>&mdash; coop (@LocalLegendCoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/LocalLegendCoop/status/1758601747436589174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The highest-graded QB throughout the 2023 playoffs 💥 <a href="https://t.co/oXcsnCeYXB">pic.twitter.com/oXcsnCeYXB</a></p>&mdash; PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Chiefs/status/1757862809352724490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most playoff games with a 90+ QBR since 2006 (how many came in a title game)<br><br>1. Patrick Mahomes - 7 (3)<br>2. Josh Allen - 3 (0)<br>2. Peyton Manning - 3 (1)<br>2. Tom Brady - 3 (0)<br>5. Colin Kaepernick - 2 (1)<br>5. Kurt Warner - 2 (1)<br>5. Russell Wilson - 2 (1)<br>5. Drew Brees - 2 (0)</p>&mdash; Scott Kacsmar (@ScottKacsmar) <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottKacsmar/status/1759291206398304306?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan (Post 17413146)

I'll send you $20 to **** off.

Originally Posted by frozenchief (Post 17413176)

According to next gen stats, last year’s Chiefs team was the 19th best KC team of all time. Yet we won SB. This year’s team was the 28th best team. So there have been 27 KC Chiefs team since 1960 that were statistically better overall. Yet we won the SB. Why? We have the best QB in the NFL and it isn’t close.

You can say you’d rather have Burrow. Hell, you might even convince yourself that you believe it. But 31 GMs and 31 coaches in the NFL would take Patrick Mahomes over what they have now. It’s not even close.

Another interesting statistic: in the last 50 years, 26 QBs have lost their first trip to the SB, including Burrow. Guess how many went on to ever win the SB? 1. John Elway. No other QB has gone on to win the SB after losing their first time.

You also have only 2 more years under the 5 year rule. Josh Allen is already outside the 5 year rule window. Be interesting to see whether Burrow can validate that rule or prove the exception. He first has to stay healthy enough though. And so far he has not done a great job of staying healthy.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni (Post 17413237)

By what metrics? Cmon there weren't 18 ****ing Chiefs teams better than last year's squad. People need to stop with the useless stats.

Originally Posted by Munson (Post 17408444)

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17409625)

Burrow isn't cool. He's not smarter than Mahomes. He's very good and better than 99% of NFL QBs. But he's not "more cerebral" in any way, shape, or form.

There IS one thing he's demonstrably better at than Mahomes, however: Breaking apart in midair

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17409694)

Yes he is.

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17413393)

"Useless stats". I know how you're never wrong and all that... :)

but

It's possible to have previous teams be better by combined offense and defensive rankings, or maybe even by metrics like efficiency and epa, without having the best QB and still be considered a "better team".

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17413393)

"Useless stats". I know how you're never wrong and all that... :)

but

It's possible to have previous teams be better by combined offense and defensive rankings, or maybe even by metrics like efficiency and epa, without having the best QB and still be considered a "better team".

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17413554)

The Chiefs have seventeen 11+ win seasons ever and 30 winning seasons.... so a 14-win SB team being rated two spots lower than all 11+ win teams, and this year's team being 28th of 30 winning seasons as an 11 win team is pretty unbelievable. And not "omg, that's unbelievable!" ...but literally not believable.

I think a big part of it is how they treat the regular season these days.... they were obviously a far better team this season once they stopped rotating 8 receivers and CEH started getting fewer touches (among other things), and even after that they rarely blow out teams and routinely shut it down.

Similar to all the chest thumping that rival fans do around here every postseason for being point differential champs and so forth... so many of those stats don't mean shit. And many of those Chiefs teams of the past were in the same shoes, wanting to prove themselves, fighting for their playoff lives, etc... which is apples and oranges compared to these Andy Reid and Mahomes teams.