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comochiefsfan 01-26-2020 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14752204)
Your DE’s won’t matter on these plays 49er fan..no DE on earth is fast enough to stop this. QB either got rid of the ball quickly or only had it in his hands for barely over 2 seconds.

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Even if you do get pressure on Pat, he can still beat you

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Grade A fap material.

DJ's left nut 01-26-2020 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14752192)
It doesn’t come down to just who you play. It was a completely new defensive scheme with a new defensive coordinator and mostly new players. That shit takes time to gel. Players and coaches will tell you that exact same thing. The Titans loss was the game that flipped the switch with this defense. Pennel and Suggs were added and the defense started playing differently. Plus Clark wasn’t anywhere close to 100% in the beginning of the season and we had a rookie FS learning as he was playing.

Are we the 85 Bears? No but this defense is good enough to get some stops and give the ball back to the offense. That’s all it takes to win games.
I think the Texans game is what flipped the switch, combined with the defense losing its safety net for a few weeks when Mahomes went down.

They knew they HAD to step it up. The Texans game brought into sharp focus HOW they had to do it (by trusting their teammates and playing the scheme). Then with the Packers and Vikings games they proved they could.

The Titans game was a weird one-off in the middle, IMO. Things had already changed substantially by then.

rydogg58 01-26-2020 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by A8bil (Post 14752201)
You make a good case. Why in your opinion did the Texans have early success against them?
If you are talking about the playoff game against the Texans, we had 1 play that was a missed assignment, the other was a blocked punt, Hill muffed a punt for the last one. All that was the first quarter. Blown assignments happen no matter how good your team is. The blocked punt and muffed punt aren't as common.

It's a hell of a hole to climb out of.

smithandrew051 01-26-2020 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 14752206)
1. A blown coverage
2. Blocked Punt for a TD
3. Muffed Punt which gave them the ball on the KC 6.

Right there is 21 of the 31 they scored. The last TD came when the Chiefs held a commanding lead and softened up on defense.
Didn’t the field goal for the Texans come off of a terrible punt too? I think the Texans were pretty much already in field goal rang.

A8bil 01-26-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14752204)
Your DE’s won’t matter on these plays 49er fan..no DE on earth is fast enough to stop this. QB either got rid of the ball quickly or only had it in his hands for barely over 2 seconds.

Even if you do get pressure on Pat, he can still beat you
Those are some quick strike TDs! I have some hope that the 49er LBs, who are very fast, will be able to cover backs and string out the jet sweeps better than the defenses showed on those clips. Within about 3 seconds of a snap, the 49ers defensive secondary is pretty solid.

It's the plays against the Colts defense, and what he did vs. the 49ers in that last clip that are the most worrisome. How do you defend that?

DJ's left nut 01-26-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14752204)
Your DE’s won’t matter on these plays 49er fan..no DE on earth is fast enough to stop this. QB either got rid of the ball quickly or only had it in his hands for barely over 2 seconds.
Some 9er fans are saying "Andy showed his hand" in the playoffs. That's not entirely false.

They're also saying that we'll struggle to slow down their ends because we lack an effective running game and the screen game has been largely absent. There's an element of truth to that as well.

But now combine 'em. Yes, Andy showed his hand a bit, but what he showed is that the jet sweep action is still there and it's still dangerous as hell. You want to send those ends blasting upfield at the QB? Okay, you do you - but as you noted, no DE is fast enough to just change directions and contain Hill/Hardman (or even Watkins). When Andy 'showed his hand' on those jet sweep actions, he also gave opposing defenses something they have to think about.

Those ends know, or at least SHOULD know, that they will blast upfield at their own peril anytime one of our track stars comes across the middle at the snap. They know if they don't honor that jet sweep action, a guy like Hill or Hardman is going to have a free 8+ yards and is going to be one missed tackle away from 40+.

Sometimes showing your hand is a good thing; it gives the opponent something more to chew on and one more consideration that Reid can take advantage of in his play design.

rydogg58 01-26-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14752218)
Didn’t the field goal for the Texans come off of a terrible punt too? I think the Texans were pretty much already in field goal rang.
Game log says Colquitt kicked it to their 38 yard line and was ran back for 11 yards to their 49. So, yeah.

DRM08 01-26-2020 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 14752195)
I think people are overestimating the 49ers in some respects. Sure they are in the SB and they were the #1 seed in the NFC. But if you look at all of their games, they won many in the last seconds. If you were to split those wins in half they might not even make the playoffs much less be the #1 seed. They were literally inches from losing the second Seattle game and dropping from the #1 seed to the #5. They were not this juggernaut that obliterated everyone they played this year. I think the fact they are a mismatch for GB as well as the Packers own mistakes in the NFCCG makes the Niners look better than they are.

Barring the Chiefs playing like crud they should beat SF as they are the better team.
49ers dominated both of their playoff games and they are ranked high in the season stats for both defense and offense. They're a damn good team and it's gonna be a real challenge for the Chiefs. I just hope KC does not make some of the stupid mistakes we have seen throughout this season. 49ers are good enough that you do not want to help them with fumbles, allowing blocked punts, etc.

DJ's left nut 01-26-2020 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 14752218)
Didn’t the field goal for the Texans come off of a terrible punt too? I think the Texans were pretty much already in field goal rang.
Just accept this fact now - there WILL be a terrible punt in this game. Colquitt's leg looks almost completely dead. He can't mis-hit a ball and get a 40 yard knuckler anymore. When he mis-fires, it's a 25 yard quacker that will flip the field.

If you go into this game thinking "well X team needed a bad punt to score and that won't happen next Sunday..." I think you're whistling past the graveyard. Just assume that's gonna happen at least once next week because I see little cause to believe it won't. Colquitt's pretty much a liability at this stage of his career.

A8bil 01-26-2020 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 14752217)
If you are talking about the playoff game against the Texans, we had 1 play that was a missed assignment, the other was a blocked punt, Hill muffed a punt for the last one. All that was the first quarter. Blown assignments happen no matter how good your team is. The blocked punt and muffed punt aren't as common.

It's a hell of a hole to climb out of.
It was...my son from Texas was visiting that weekend to see the 49er game, and when they went down by 21, I told him to come down and watch, because either the game was going to be an epic blow out, or PM was going to engineer one of the great comebacks in NFL history. Turns out i was right, just got wrong who was going to blow out whom. That was fun.

As impressive as the offense was in turning that game around, your defense was just as impressive. That stretch from early in the 2nd quarter to the end of the third quarter felt like some of the Warrior games in their peak Championship years, where they would shut down the opposing team and just light up the score board. Pretty special performance.

The Franchise 01-26-2020 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14752227)
Just accept this fact now - there WILL be a terrible punt in this game. Colquitt's leg looks almost completely dead. He can't mis-hit a ball and get a 40 yard knuckler anymore. When he mis-fires, it's a 25 yard quacker that will flip the field.

If you go into this game thinking "well X team needed a bad punt to score and that won't happen next Sunday..." I think you're whistling past the graveyard. Just assume that's gonna happen at least once next week because I see little cause to believe it won't. Colquitt's pretty much a liability at this stage of his career.
Which is why we need to get him a ring and then get him off this team.

RunKC 01-26-2020 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14752221)
Some 9er fans are saying "Andy showed his hand" in the playoffs. That's not entirely false.

They're also saying that we'll struggle to slow down their ends because we lack an effective running game and the screen game has been largely absent. There's an element of truth to that as well.

But now combine 'em. Yes, Andy showed his hand a bit, but what he showed is that the jet sweep action is still there and it's still dangerous as hell. You want to send those ends blasting upfield at the QB? Okay, you do you - but as you noted, no DE is fast enough to just change directions and contain Hill/Hardman (or even Watkins). When Andy 'showed his hand' on those jet sweep actions, he also gave opposing defenses something they have to think about.

Those ends know, or at least SHOULD know, that they will blast upfield at their own peril anytime one of our track stars comes across the middle at the snap. They know if they don't honor that jet sweep action, a guy like Hill or Hardman is going to have a free 8+ yards and is going to be one missed tackle away from 40+.

Sometimes showing your hand is a good thing; it gives the opponent something more to chew on and one more consideration that Reid can take advantage of in his play design.
I really do feel for the DE’s and LB’s in this game. It will be very difficult to know where any play will go or who has the ball.

I think it would be ideal for Andy to come out in a 2 minute offense with lots of motions. Come out quickly into known plays and snap the ball quickly before the defense can adjust.

Also change the play and motion into the real play and then quickly snap the ball to change everything quickly before the defense can tell what it is or what the new responsibility is.

It will also tire them out quicker and give us all the power. If Bosa or Ford is taking a breather, run the hurry up to keep them off the field.

smithandrew051 01-26-2020 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14752227)
Just accept this fact now - there WILL be a terrible punt in this game. Colquitt's leg looks almost completely dead. He can't mis-hit a ball and get a 40 yard knuckler anymore. When he mis-fires, it's a 25 yard quacker that will flip the field.

If you go into this game thinking "well X team needed a bad punt to score and that won't happen next Sunday..." I think you're whistling past the graveyard. Just assume that's gonna happen at least once next week because I see little cause to believe it won't. Colquitt's pretty much a liability at this stage of his career.
Oh I agree. I’m just saying the defense isn’t to blame for that. That’s a failure of ST, not the defense.

This has to be his last year. He’s been pretty bad. Hope he can ride into the sunset with a Super Bowl ring and we can forget about how his last season actually went.

DJ's left nut 01-26-2020 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14752239)
I really do feel for the DE’s and LB’s in this game. It will be very difficult to know where any play will go or who has the ball.

I think it would be ideal for Andy to come out in a 2 minute offense with lots of motions. Come out quickly into known plays and snap the ball quickly before the defense can adjust.

Also change the play and motion into the real play and then quickly snap the ball to change everything quickly before the defense can tell what it is or what the new responsibility is.

It will also tire them out quicker and give us all the power. If Bosa or Ford is taking a breather, run the hurry up to keep them off the field.
We're about to see a master-class in 'window dressing' from two guys who have practically re-created it.

The scripted plays especially are gonna blow some minds, IMO.

Ultimately I feel bad for both defenses in this game. They are going to have to maintain a level of mental acuity that is going to really hamper the kind of aggression they're going to want to be playing with. I suspect they'll play this entire game feeling like one of those police dogs stuck in the back of the SUV when shit's going down. They'll see what's going on and be chomping at the bit to use all that training and ferocity they've been building for years.

But man, until a handler throws the door open, all that ferocity is going to do is get them in trouble.

If either of these teams is forced to become one-dimensional, you're gonna see the door fly open and hall hell break lose because these guys are going to see an opportunity to get out there and do what they were trained to do.

Shit'll get real in a hurry.

rydogg58 01-26-2020 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14752227)
Just accept this fact now - there WILL be a terrible punt in this game. Colquitt's leg looks almost completely dead. He can't mis-hit a ball and get a 40 yard knuckler anymore. When he mis-fires, it's a 25 yard quacker that will flip the field.

If you go into this game thinking "well X team needed a bad punt to score and that won't happen next Sunday..." I think you're whistling past the graveyard. Just assume that's gonna happen at least once next week because I see little cause to believe it won't. Colquitt's pretty much a liability at this stage of his career.
Colquitt is definitely a liability at this point. ST is one of my biggest concerns for this game because I just can't foresee SF having to go the length of the field very often.


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