The 1st one? Meh. Not gonna sweat a QB for not throwing that.

The 2nd one? Looks like Pat wanted to throw it but then the pocket collapsed.

worthy’s upside is seriously terrifying

i think he can definitely put up hill type numbers as he gets acclimated. aka he blows up next year

Patrick had a good game. Worthy is not a contested ball guy... yet.

We've not fully unlocked Worthy's ability in this offense, guys gonna be a monster!

I really think that they should let Worthy return some punts. He will be like a 2024 version of Dante Hall.

We're short enough on receiver talent as it is. I'd rather he not take big hits.

I think its the turnovers that are causing him to be more pensive.

Early in his career he'd just chuck it because
1. He didn't know any better
2. He could
3. He didn't turn it over when he did

And he'd get away with it. Now that he's turning the ball over way more and struggling more than he's used to, I think he's spooked that chucking it will be a game losing mistake.

I know, I know. "Just keep firing" and all that. I agree. Clearly Mahomes is trying to figure it out himself. He says so in every press conference and holds himself to a higher standard. But its not gonna happen overnight. He's probably gonna continue to "suck" until he comes out the other side.

I mean, who really cares at this point.

The only thing that matters is what he does in the postseason.

That first one Worthy is blanketed



The second is the line's fault

The fans who want the MVPs and undeniable proof he's the best QB in the league.

They don't want a Manning/Brady thing where Manning had the stats and Brady had the rings. They want Mahomes to have the stats AND the rings.

Well, he's the highest rated QB in the postseason, ever.

And he has the best stats and the most wins in his first 101 gams, ever.

So, we good.

Post less, Methalito.

He doesn't have to be, if you lead him with the throw he should get there faster than the DB does.

Five games played, four TD's, a DEEP bomb, and a 50 yard DPI. Kid is just getting his feet wet, a nice start. He draws defenders no doubt.

Worthy is going to be fantastic. He already is incredibly good. But Mahomes needs to have the same confidence in him that he had in Hill. I think that will develop.

Thank God worthy, didn’t get an injury trying to tackle that guy that intercepted the pass that juju turned into an interception.

The amazing thing is how well they are doing despite the injuries and the fact that Mahomes needs to get aclimatized to what worthy can do.

The defence is awesome. I thought it would suffer when we lost Sneed, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

I still assume they will get some WR in trade. But last night showed that isn’t absolutely essential. but wishes to see what we could do for somebody like Hopkins, Cooper, or maybe the Green Bay guy. And we could turn into a smash mouth running team with the Pacheco hunt tandem. And when steals isn’t fumbling, he is really strong too.

Brady and Manning were great QBs. But Mahomes is better, because of his scrambling ability.

That's still too many routes for Skyy imo

Most scrimmage touchdowns recorded by a wide receiver age 21 or younger through their first 5 career games in the NFL:

6- Randy Moss
5- Ja'Marr Chase
4- Xavier Worthy
4- Jerry Butler
4- Donte' Stallworth
4- Hakeem Nicks

Talk about an outlier LMAO

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...B/ButlJe00.htm

Thanks for the suggestion, grasshopper.

He easily could have had 3 more.

50? It was 65. :D

I wanna see the All-22 of the DPI to see if Mahomes sent him on that vert.

I noticed he was manned up with the Saints in single high. And was loudly hoping that Mahomes would give it the "Worthy's down there somewhere..." treatment.

Sho 'nuff, he did.

Was that just a fortuitous play call? Was he always gonna run a 9 there?

Or did Mahomes see the single-high look with single coverage on Worthy and give him a signal to change that route?

Because if it's the latter, that would be DAMN exciting.

Mahomes didn't make any obvious motions towards Worthy presnap.

It was always a 9.

Too many routes for Moore.

dude is a ninja

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So uhh, what happened here? �� <a href="https://twitter.com/XavierWorthy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@XavierWorthy</a> <a href="https://t.co/FNWu6qC6BX">pic.twitter.com/FNWu6qC6BX</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/1850968254237299042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s young. If that happened to me right now, I’d be in-traction for two weeks.

Glitch in the matrix

Ok when I first saw it I thought their legs got tangled and that somehow catapulted him up. No I have no idea wtf happened. Does he have springs in his ass?

I think he bounced up off the defenders heel.

Worthy had a little of a rough day with a couple of drops so it was good to see him catch the TD toward the end of the game.

Unlike Skyy he keeps running his damn routes so Mahomes will keep throwing him the ball.

He needs to develop as the season goes on like Rice did last year.

Hopkins should help with that.

I know he didn’t come down with it, but I was actually really encouraged to see him go up and try to attack that ball near the right sideline with his hands at the high point. We can work with that.

Rookie’s got a long way to go

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just noticed that Xavier Worthy ended up running 40 routes with two targets, no catches or yards (obviously one big play changed that).<br><br>Past four games:<br>136 routes run<br>23 targets<br>10 catches<br>81 yards<br>0.59 yards per route run</p>&mdash; Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shauncore/status/1853691038881181888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y/RR and ADOT of rookie receivers.<br><br>Rams might have done it again with Whittington.<br>I know a few folks that were bullish on BTJr but whew<br>Nabers was my WR1<br>Coleman has been good and fun<br>9-13 here remain weird <a href="https://t.co/25jHdOigXi">https://t.co/25jHdOigXi</a> <a href="https://t.co/muLLxuIKLr">pic.twitter.com/muLLxuIKLr</a></p>&mdash; Shaun Newkirk (@Shauncore) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shauncore/status/1853692955175063856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He looks like Mecole Hardman

Getting out played by Coleman is very sad

Yeah, that’s a good comp thus far. He looks like a fast guy playing football more than a football player who’s really fast.

He’s been a bit of a fusion between the Hardman and MVS roles out there. I’m sure he’s helping other guys out by stretching the field but we’ll need more from him than running 40 wind sprints out there on game day.

I’m still excited about his potential though. Pat has overthrown him a handful of times. If he hit on those, this narrative is flipped on its head.

I get why he may not, but you can tell Pat doesn't trust him. I don't understand why we don't take a few shots per game.

Throwing off a bad ankle to a yet to be familiar in gametime target. Brings the frustration of frustration to frustration

BWillie is always wrong

Also McConkey balling

You don't? Did you see him totally **** up that wide open sideline catch? He's a work in process. Reminds me of Hardman.

Yes, that one was bad, but he's an elite speed guy that tracks the ball well.

They need to keep taking the deep shots.

Dude was absolute ass last night. Literally no situational awareness to not even know to get his feet inbounds and then run right into the defender on the reverse.

ASS. AT this point last year when Rice was a rook, was when everyone was noticing that he was figuring out zones and soft spots and the chemistry was starting. Right now Worthy looks like ass.

There's a lot more to being a great NFL WR than speed. Coaches and GMs just cannot overlook these speedsters. Even minds like Veach and Reid get sucked into it. Al Davis was obsessed by it as well when pursuing WRs. The Raiders would always draft fast WRs who couldn't do anything else but run a straight line.

I'd trade Worthy's speed for attributes like awareness, more size, and better hands.

But yes, he's a rookie so it's too early to pronounce him Mecole Hardman or Skyy Moore. If Hollywood Brown can come back, that should free up Worthy a lot more.

I still hold out hope for the guy. He just needs to connect the dots as far as field awareness. I hope he turns out to be a strong asset for us at some point and earns Pat's trust.

Rashee didn’t start putting it together until around Thanksgiving. It takes time.

Last night Worthy was ass but it’s mental stuff, not ability

Rice was the exception last year… generally rookie WR’s struggle in Andy’s offense.

Tyreek as a rookie was more of a gadget player, and not a starting WR.

Worthy will be fine.

A lot of reeruned takes after a rough couple of weeks for the rookie. Going to look real stupid when those deep shot start hitting consistently.

Nah - Rice was showing growth every week. We just weren't emphasizing him in the route progression.

Worthy's actually regressed. Maybe that's harsh, but at worst he certainly hasn't gotten better.

I'm not writing him off by any stretch and his speed DOES make a difference even when he's playing poorly. But let's not try to sugarcoat things with Xavier. He's been pretty damn bad and seemingly getting worse.

LMAO The fastest guy in combine history isn't going to fall to the end of the first without some serious development needed.

Give it time, and be happy we have DHop and don't have to rely heavily on Worthy yet.

That said, Worthy needs to soak up as much knowledge from DHop while he has the chance.

Not sure I’d say last week in Vegas was a regression but SF and TB games were really bad for him.

That sideline gaff was really bad. Situational awareness has to be there. Come back to the ball if you are on the sideline.

Honestly he looked lazy on that play. Andy looked enraged after that play too so I think he was thinking the same thing

WRs that need "serious development" generally aren't drafted in the first round by smart GMs.

You know it was a mental mistake because honestly, I don't think he got a SINGLE foot inbounds.

I haven't seen the replay yet, but on the jumbotron it looked like he didn't even get his first foot in, let alone his 2nd. He was COMPLETELY lost on the field. If it was something where he just failed to execute a bit, he gets one foot down and goofs up the drag with his 2nd foot.

But when he doesn't even get a single foot down and the 2nd foot wasn't even a drag attempt but rather just an ordinary step backwards, he clearly didn't know where he was on the field.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was just a snowball effect mentally after that sideline **** up, especially if Reid ripped into him like it appeared he wanted to. He was a focal point of the first 15 plays then seemingly got banished to the shadow realm for tonight. Dust it off, learn from it, and it'll be all good.

He was barely out of bounds. Like, the side of his right foot. Everything else was in.

LMAO **** me. At least give the kid a bit of grace to learn from his **** ups before you declare him Hardman 2.0

He’s not just great at speed, assholes. He’s also excellent at tracking the ball down the field.

Tyreek was electric to watch for his speed. He was elite because he was the best in the game at tracking the ball down the field.

Worthy isn’t Reek, but he’ll get there. He can be useful. He’s already been useful.

**** guys can you quit your stupid bitching about rookie struggles for just one goddamn minute

True. But he doesnt look all that super fast in pads. Hardman looks faster... Regardless, I think he'll work out fine when its all said and done.

Here’s the replay. Just a bad mental error. He was falling back catching the ball too. Gotta know the sideline is there and stay in bounds. Should have been an easy TD

This is a rookie thing though. It’s mental and not ability. This is easy to fix

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This should&#39;ve been a walk in TD. Awful footwork from Xavier Worthy. <a href="https://t.co/uZNnT1Gdkf">pic.twitter.com/uZNnT1Gdkf</a></p>&mdash; Alterraun⚡ (@Hockfan445) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hockfan445/status/1853609826401837119?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh jeez. He didn't get either feet in from that angle.

No, both feet were out for sure. Just an exceptionally lazy play. I'm sure Andy had a discussion with him :)

That may be a bit of an optical illusion caused by running style, because he's obviously faster than Hardman. For example, Pacheco is a 4.4 guy, but to me he never looks like it because of his "stomping" running style.

It doesn't matter how he looks you dumb **** we have the GPS times to show he is insanely fast on the field too.

He’s getting open and he’s catching the ball. Worthy just needs to keep working on details and feeling where he is in the sideline.

Good points.

I've noticed a phenomenon with our perception of Chiefs rookies recently. We seem to expect so much of them coming out of the gate, way more so than in the years before Mahomes. We want these guys looking like 3 year vets coming out of college, it's a little insane.

Feels like a combination of our expectations of these players being higher because of Veach's track record and the coaching staff as well as wanting these players to make an impact during Mahomes prime years. The threepeat probably makes matters worse.

Nobody is bitching. People are critiquing what they are seeing, because this is a message board where we discuss these things.

People don’t watch the replays often. That Kelce catch in the 2nd half where he was wide open was bc Worthy was roaring downfield and the safety covering Kelce pissed his pants bc Worthy was bolting.

Completely took that ****er out of the play and left Kelce wide ass open

You literally have a post in this very thread bitching about how we didn’t take Keon Coleman instead of Worthy

Right.

Again - this isn't a Skyy Moore situation where every time he's on the field I just groaned. Because he didn't provide anything. You were playing 10 v 11.

Worthy simply being out there helps this offense. There's genuine gravity with that guy where he helps his teammates find space. And that's valuable in its own right.

But lets not also act like we're not discussing "Hidden Touchdowns" here. Or that we haven't barbecued folks we don't like when the defenses of that guys play are as tepid as these can be.

He's struggled - full stop. Has that meant the pick hasn't helped us? No, not at all. But I really hoped we'd see more forward progress from him by now. And with the opportunities he's had, it's fair to point out that he really does seem stuck in neutral right now.

:clap:

Haven't you been paying attention Worthy is a bust:doh!:

Now, so as to not COMPLETELY shit on Worthy here - I thought Mahomes was late on the throw.

That play happened right in front of us and man, you could see it break open almost immediately. As soon as that boundary corner gave up outside leverage, you could see Worthy had an easy pitch and catch for a score.

And for whatever reason it looked like PM hesitated. Typically on a play like that, by the time you notice the WR then look back to the QB, the QB is releasing the football. Patrick was still setting up and took even one extra hop on it. He was late on the throw and Worthy looked to try to be slowing down in the zone to keep that throwing window open.

If Mahomes hits that ball as soon as it breaks open, it's a far far FAR easier play for Worthy.

So while that's a bad mental error on Worthy's part, PM wasn't completely without blame. He acted like he just didn't trust what he was seeing because I'm telling you, that play was right in front of him and open from the jump. But for whatever reason, he just didn't let it rip.

Man.....this is bad.

The mental thing can sometimes be the toughest

I actually said I preferred Worthy due to how we run our offense but that Coleman was the better player just not suited for our offense.

But yeah we are here to give our opinions. I welcome all opinions even if dissenting.

Andy, "This aint Texas. We are not going to score 54 points a game. Every TD matters. Pay attention or.....".

I think if we run that play in the 2nd quarter (and definitely in the 2nd half) it's a TD.

Because lets also remember that on the next play, where PM got sacked, he had an EASY checkdown to hit. And again seemed to hesitate before he got decked up the middle to take us out of FG range.

Patrick seemed to be feeling his way a bit in that first drive. Just not quite as assertive as he was for the rest of the game. If he runs that play with the kind of confidence he played with in the 2nd half, there's little doubt in my mind that it's a TD.

He was damn good yesterday - as good as he's been this season, IMO. But on that first drive he seemed a hair tentative and that hurt us.