Browns don’t have a 1st this year so would you do a 2025 1st plus maybe something this year?

It makes you wonder how far this is going to drag on. I just hope he has a good attitude when he shows up with nothing to show for his holdout. Shouldn't be a problem but if he gets hurt his market will take a nose dive. His age has been at the forefront after all.

Time for the water jug at the end of a long bean row

I think it would be much more nasty than Neil and Derrick. Myles and Chris are both so damn strong I don't know who you could ever keep both of them blocked up the entire game. You'd have to dedicate 4 players to just that job alone and that still wouldn't be enough. It would be fun to watch.

Neil was pretty dang strong, himself. Derrick was just really fast at the snap. Most tackles stood no chance.

When this topic was posted in July I was pretty sure that they would get something worked out but as time has passed and Jones still isn't with the team, any hopes of him getting extended have withered and died on the vine.

Yeah I definitely don’t see an extension which honestly is fine. He will play and he will be in a contract year. It’s entirely possible we get his last truly elite year this season. If he earns 30 per year, so be it. Let him find it on the open market.

Who knows how this goes but I do know if he shows up we won't get the real deal. Unhappy employees don't put out like happy ones. He won't get tagged and will walk in FA and blame his shit season on his contract issue.

And then he'll get a shit contract. Chiefs have him where they want him.

LOL, has there even been one thing online suggesting he's unhappy? He seems to be laughing at all of it, if anything.

Dude didn't want to go through training camp, who cares... doesn't seem disgruntled in the slightest.

Neither side has it all its way in this one.

The Chiefs have some things working in their favor (Namely, that he walks on $20M in salary/payment this year and also hurts his ability to get the big contact in 2024+ if he doesn't play this year). Jones has some things working in his favor (namely, that the Chiefs need him this year for their best chance at a title AND that they need to reduce his 2023 cap hit some through an extension to make normal roster flexibility moves throughout the year).

We'll see how it shakes out.

I was pretty much about to post this word for word

This is how I see it playing out at this point and I think it's the best outcome

As soon as Clark was not signed... he started doing microaggressions like not coming to the ring ceremony. He's clearly pissed about it.

When has a player ever held out then showed up without getting the new deal and balled out. Anyone that thinks Jones is happy is being unrealistic. He's so pissed he spent over 1 mil not to show up and skipped getting his ring with his teammates.

And if he shows up and gives less than full effort, that will affect the deal he's wanting next year; whether that is with the Chiefs or not.

Oh I remember those two for sure, but I just think Garrett and Jones are such physicals freak that they'd be harder to handle.

We haven't reach Albert Haynesworth level just yet buuuuut its getting there

He was sick.

Of course, people are free to make up their own reality and say he was lying, and then also ignore him trolling fans the past several weeks and then say he's clearly pissed if you simply change everything about what's been said to make it sound like he's actually pissed.

It's easy to take your own conclusion and apply it everywhere when you simply say someone was clearly lying or whatever just to prove your dumb made up point, but whatever.

I agree for the most part but then again:

Chiefs:
-Lower odds of SB Champs BUT not guaranteed we won't win.
-Very High odds that if they give in to what Jones wants the end of the contract will hurt the team more than he can help.

Jones:
-Fact that he gives up money while he sits out.
-Fact that if he sits out past week 11 he will remain under contract with KC in 2024 and not be a FA.
-Fact that if he comes back and performs equal or less than last season he will get less money.


Yes we need him but its not 100% we can't win without him. IF Jones is dead set on his asking price than Veach will need to decide if he is willing to give up trade compensation if traded, cap hell later on if he gives in FOR a better chance at winning this year.

The only other play would be to get his front office people together and start the plan of having Jones play out this year and tag/trade in the offseason that could lock up $30+M in cap space while they find a partner.

Personally I see Veach NOT giving in to the contract demands and plan for that $30+M tag number while starting now with trade talks. If a offer blows him away NOW he pulls the trigger.

The "he's holding out to skip training camp practices" narrative ended last Thursday when they left St. Joe's.

Now he's putting his availability for the Detroit game at legit risk.

It's legit possible he won't report until the preseason ends.

Maybe he was.

Or maybe it was a pretextual excuse

Exactly. He won't play in the first 2 games then if at all.

And miss out on like what $2.5M? OUCH

Yeah, I'd say if he's not in here pretty quickly he's not playing the first couple weeks. Andy is pretty cautious with that kinda thing.

Which....just ****........This situation has gotten pretty ****ed. I'm really surprised we got to this point.

He doesn't miss game checks if he has reported but is not playing because he isn't in shape or the team isn't ready to play him.

We're also not exactly in a weak conference here. A couple dropped games early in the season can make this pretty tough.

They needed to have this whole thing done a while ago.

Why?

All it takes is a player demanding to basically be paid what Aaron Donald is being paid for the team to be like uh that isn't exactly feasible for our team especially with your age and then you get a stalemate.

Well it does throw out the whole "Hold out of camp for money reasons" in other players eyes if he doesn't play in the first couple of games. Could have a lasting locker room issue going forward.

Easier said then done. If I were Bart Vatch, I wouldn't be selling the farm for a super fat contract, for a 30 year old DL. By doing so, it could really hamstring the team down the road.

How do you get it done if the player has financial demands you aren't willing to meet?

I don't mean by signing him.

I refuse to believe they were just told the # he wants in July/ August when camp started.

If they (Jones and agent) wanted Donald #, none of the other guys signing mattered. So the Chiefs likely knew his # a while ago. If you aren't gonna get to it, make a decision and move on.

Trade him before the draft.

It's possible they thought he was bluffing or decided they'll take the last year of the contract and walk after that instead of moving him early.

Yeah they ****ed up assuming Jones would climb down

And now look at the situation….


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The fate of Chris Jones 2023 edition
 

Yeah well they screwed it up if that was the play because he has called their bluff by not turning up at all


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He'll turn up for real games, he has to much to lose not to.

I have no idea what the "magic number" is? Perhaps I missed it, but I haven't seen anything in stone, from a reliable source. The only thing I have seen, is a bunch a speculative twatter garbage.
At this point, I'm pretty disappointed in Jones for pulling this crap. He is after all, under contract.

We said that weeks ago - since then he has lost millions and seems relaxed about it.

Nothing about this has gone according to plan so far - why would it suddenly change.

He’s on the brink of being ruled out of the first couple of games already


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It is his last chance at a big contract and he just had a career year on a SB winner, his agent likely told him it was a good idea.

If he were to go out this year and throw up 8 sacks he would lose a ton of money in his FA year.

Not really... every camp practice, preseason game, even meaningless regular season game risks major injury, which risks contract value.

And missing camp, preseason, and even a couple regular season games doesn't impact his future contract... granted, it might alienate the Chiefs a bit if they start 0-2, but he'd probably be looking elsewhere anyway.

Maybe he ends up overplaying his hand, but at this point the dramatics are just fan narratives for the worst outcomes possible... and we're not there yet.

A. Sitting out regular season games is far more expensive and also hurts his odds at a big FA deal.

B. He needs a year of service time to actually be a FA.

1 million?

Oh, I'm sure this is coming from his agent. Once again he is under contract. He needs to hump it into camp and play football.

He's basically using the only leverage he has, he has to show it now because if he were to get Franchise tagged next year that would cause a whole new issue.

I don't doubt he can get himself in shape and such.

But you need to play football in order to be ready to play football.

I think a few of you have gotten use to the idea the Chiefs don't have contract disputes, but this stuff is pretty common place.

When the guy is going to social media to do whatever it is he's doing....that's not usually something this regime is gonna be interested in dealing with.

Probably, it's also very possible he realizes now that the Chiefs aren't going to pay him.

Some of his comments like he'll only play for the Chiefs etc are entirely designed to try to make the organization look bad if he leaves.

Well, he's now saying he ain't coming back til week 8 and he can afford to pay the fines.

So it seems we're still in this for a while.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Week 8</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1694045203756106184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can afford it</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1694051219382182084?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If the standoff is worth never getting paid again then by all means, if he sits out 8 weeks before going into FA at 30, he won't get paid, teams will question his desire on top of his age.

Oof. Apparently we've got another complete reerun for an agent

I guess I missed that too. Hope that's not the case, because if he misses 7 weeks of football, it's not like he's going to pop in and be the same player right away.

Guys get paid coming off injuries, etc.

I think he'll still get paid either way.

Yeah, suddenly this has become some Orlando Brown bullshit.

If Donald was your benchmark, there was no reason at all to act like you wanted to get a deal done but wanted the market to set first. Donald's deal wasn't getting passed up.

This is some bad faith shit from Jones and his agents at this point, IMO. Play nice through the draft/FA period then when you have as much leverage as possible, hold out.

This is awfully poor form, IMO.

It's just the random tweet below at some random guy... probably just ****ing with people.

If this is true, then c'ya dipshit.

He's got a non well known agent who doesn't have many big clients. It's likely the scenario played out the way you're saying here.

I really don't know what the outcome is at this point.

Players that are 30 need to have major production to get record setting deals. If he sits out 8 games he won't even get Quinnen Williams contract let alone Donalds.

He basically sees this as his last chance to get paid, no other team is going to give him a Donald deal so hey "the chiefs need me to go back to back lets try to bend them over"

Well, yeah, he's not wrong.

But everyone has been telling me all offseason he has no leverage.

The most likely outcome is he reports after the last preseason game and plays out the year to hit FA next year..

Anything else actually hurts Jones value going forward, oh and he has to be every bit as good as he was last year or there will be questions that cost him money.

Realistically he doesn't if he wants another big contract..

Along with Jones channeling some serious Eric Berry hobo spirit.

He doesn't of the end goal is money. He's listening to the advice of a lousy agent and is most likely going to cost himself tens of millions.

Yeah it's a shame. The only dude we go bananas for should be Mahomes.

I do think it's telling that Veach hasn't pulled the offer the way he did with Tyreek, but that was the week before the draft and this is... the week or two before the season.

Very curious to see how this shakes out. I got a little nervous when he didn't show up for the ring ceremony.

I mean, he could show up in week 8 and "pull a hamstring" and get paid while not risking injury like Earl Thomas did.

If he went out and threw up 17 sacks I think he could realistically get a team like Chicago or Atlanta to pay him what he wants.

If he misses real games, or reports late and is out of shape and has a bad year he's not going to get a top 5 DT deal...

I get the holdout to try to avoid the tag after the year or see if the Chiefs will pay you but missing real games is where Jones hurts himself.

Seems like no one is budging. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that the Chiefs cut bait. Seems like CJ went full Eric Berry/Justin Houston. Ugh.

Hope they find a way to make it work. If not, looks like there could be some decent d-lineman becoming available as cuts are made. I’m sure that’s in BV’s contingency plan. Next couple of weeks could be very lively.

The Chiefs obviously know they need the guy to win another SB.

It's "trade tyreek and win a SB" brain rot to think they don't need Jones here this season.

He'll get 24/25 mil a year if he doesn't show up this season from someone next year, even with a down ish year.

Okay, so they'll let him sit out and he'll be back week 8. If he plays lousy that's on him.

Sure but the odds he actually sits out of real games is like 1%

Jones is running out of time to act rationally, I think. I know he's betting on himself, but if he's waiting for the Chiefs to blink, I think he's going to be waiting a long time.

Pretty clear something has to have changed from Jones' camp. If the team had known it was this far apart from Jones and his representation, they would have handled free agency and the draft differently. And Jones would probably be a Carolina Panther right now.

Sure.

But then the Chiefs aren't in a position to win football games and or in a good playoff spot.

The Chiefs obviously realize they need Chris Jones. Hence the situation.

His agents job is to try to maximize his clients financial situation. It seems they may have played that well so far in terms of getting the Chiefs over the barrel.

There's no chance the Chiefs wanna go into the season with the DL they've currently constructed minus Chris Jones.

LMAO They'll be just fine regardless when it comes playoff time. Just might not be HFA.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Week 8</p>&mdash; Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoneColdJones/status/1694045203756106184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

week 8 arrival

when is the trade deadline?

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but what is the significance of week 8?

I'm not one to question his almighty, but this isn't the AFC you wanna be a wild card in me thinks.